# Oh No, It's a Boy!

An episode of [Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1082244480), 26 Apr 2026, 18 min.

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Some parents are devastated to hear, “It’s a boy.” Not disappointed - devastated. In this confronting episode, we unpack the rising fear around raising boys, where it’s coming from, and the dangerous story we’re starting to believe. Are boys really the problem… or are we shaping them that way? This conversation will challenge everything you think you know about gender, parenting, and the future of our kids. KEY POINTS: • Why “gender disappointment” is shifting toward boys • The cultural fears driving anxiety about raising sons • How low expectations quietly shape boys’ behaviour • What boys are actually craving from adults (it’s not what you think) • Why strong family culture matters more than social narratives • The simple but powerful role parents play in raising good humans QUOTE OF THE EPISODE: “Boys aren’t the problem. They’re the solution.” RESOURCES MENTIONED: • Boys: Building Strong Young Men from the Inside Out (pre-order here) • Research and commentary on gender disappointment • Parenting support resources for perinatal mental health: • PANDA • Gidget Foundation ACTION STEPS FOR PARENTS: • Challenge your own assumptions about boys and behaviour • Focus on values over stereotypes - raise a good human first • Create a home culture that prioritises safety, strength, and kindness • Speak belief into your child - don’t let fear define them • Model the behaviour you want them to grow into See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:06] Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the Happy Families podcasts Oh no,
[0:09] Speaker 1: oh no, we're having a boy? Well, Kylie and I
[0:11] Speaker 1: aren't having a boy. Did you just get nervous when
[0:14] Speaker 1: I said that we're having a boy. But it is
[0:18] Speaker 1: all too often an increasingly common refrain. There is this
[0:22] Speaker 1: thing called gender disappointment and lately there have been a
[0:26] Speaker 1: number of news stories highlighting that parents increasingly are devastated
[0:31] Speaker 1: quote unquote by having a baby boy. Today we unpack that,
[0:36] Speaker 1: why it's happening, where it's coming from, and what we
[0:40] Speaker 1: might want to do about it. All that and more
[0:43] Speaker 1: coming up next on the Happy Families podcast. Stay with us.
[0:48] Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the Happy Families podcast, where you
[0:50] Speaker 1: get real parenting solutions every single day. This is Australia's
[0:54] Speaker 1: most I was going to say most devastating podcast. It
[0:56] Speaker 1: feels like it today Kylie to the Australia's most downloaded
[1:00] Speaker 1: parenting podcast. It feels devastating. We are justin Clode Corson,
[1:04] Speaker 1: by the way, and we're the parents of six daughters,
[1:08] Speaker 1: six girls, and we were frequently asked are you sad?
[1:13] Speaker 1: Are you sorry? People would look at us and say,
[1:15] Speaker 1: oh my goodness, I am so sorry for you. There
[1:18] Speaker 1: was all of this gender disappointment that other people had
[1:19] Speaker 1: for us. Today we're talking about the new gender disappointment.
[1:22] Speaker 1: Experts are explaining why more parents are devastated by having
[1:25] Speaker 1: a baby boy based on an article that appeared a
[1:27] Speaker 1: couple of months ago now in the Herald Sun, the
[1:30] Speaker 1: Sunday Mail and Adelaide and a couple of other sources.
[1:33] Speaker 1: This is a pretty new thing, but it is happening
[1:35] Speaker 1: a lot, primarily because we get to see it on
[1:37] Speaker 1: social media. Boy, what is wrong with you? I wanted?
[1:53] Speaker 2: This just deeply saddens me, like on every level. When
[1:58] Speaker 2: we were pregnant, six different times.
[2:01] Speaker 1: I think you're holding up ten hands to say six
[2:03] Speaker 1: different times I said hands, ten fingers, You've got ten
[2:06] Speaker 1: fingers up, because by the time you get to the
[2:10] Speaker 1: six one, it's like, are we really going to again?
[2:13] Speaker 2: But each time we were asked if we were going
[2:14] Speaker 2: to find out and if we were trying for a boy,
[2:18] Speaker 2: and the thought never occurred to me that we would
[2:22] Speaker 2: try for one or the other. We were just excited
[2:25] Speaker 2: to have a healthy baby.
[2:26] Speaker 1: Yeah. The discussion was always do we want to have
[2:28] Speaker 1: a baby?
[2:29] Speaker 2: Yes? No?
[2:29] Speaker 1: Do we care what it is? No? If we care
[2:31] Speaker 1: what it is, then we need to rethink why we're
[2:33] Speaker 1: doing this. I remember you telling me a story once
[2:36] Speaker 1: in the hospital where a woman had just given birth
[2:40] Speaker 1: to her second daughter. You were in there giving birth
[2:42] Speaker 1: to one of our children. I don't remember which one
[2:44] Speaker 1: it is, and the husband was most unhappy. I don't
[2:47] Speaker 1: know if you recall this or not. And he actually
[2:50] Speaker 1: said to his wife, we're going to keep doing this
[2:52] Speaker 1: until you get this right.
[2:54] Speaker 2: So I vaguely remember that conversation. I have no idea
[2:57] Speaker 2: which one it was.
[2:58] Speaker 1: I'd stuck with me forever. I was astonished that a
[3:01] Speaker 1: man would say that to his wife. I just blew
[3:03] Speaker 1: my mind. My boys books about how men need to
[3:05] Speaker 1: help the people in their lives feel safer and stronger,
[3:08] Speaker 1: and I just it's the antithesis.
[3:11] Speaker 2: It seems like such an archaic thought process.
[3:14] Speaker 1: Staggering, and yet trends are changing. People are now saying
[3:17] Speaker 1: we'd much rather have girls than boys.
[3:20] Speaker 2: Well, if you're scared of having boys, you are welcome
[3:22] Speaker 2: to come and live in my house for a week,
[3:24] Speaker 2: and I promise you you might see the world very differently.
[3:28] Speaker 1: The boys are suddenly looking a lot more stable and manageable.
[3:30] Speaker 2: The Holy smokes.
[3:31] Speaker 1: The emotion laid in everything that we deal on a
[3:35] Speaker 1: daily basis so much. Let me share a couple of
[3:37] Speaker 1: quotes from this article. It really interested me. So it
[3:40] Speaker 1: was by Rebecca Whitfield Baker and it was published, like
[3:43] Speaker 1: I said, in news court papers back in feb What
[3:46] Speaker 1: she basically says she quotes from the Australian Association of
[3:48] Speaker 1: Psychologists director Rachel Sampson, who specializes in childen family well being,
[3:53] Speaker 1: saying it's girls who are on the wish list of
[3:56] Speaker 1: parents to be and learning they're having a boy can
[3:58] Speaker 1: cause and I quote, very high distress.
[4:01] Speaker 2: Three two What.
[4:06] Speaker 1: Here's another quote from Rachel Sampson. In our psychology clinics,
[4:09] Speaker 1: more expectant parents are telling us they fear raising a boy,
[4:13] Speaker 1: with some of them reporting high levels of distress. She added,
[4:17] Speaker 1: the parent Mental Health and postnatal depression organizations and now
[4:21] Speaker 1: offering information on the issue. Here's the quote. Certainly those
[4:26] Speaker 1: who are working in the perinatal space or a similar specialty,
[4:30] Speaker 1: or do a lot of work with parents are saying
[4:31] Speaker 1: the same thing. Gender disappointment has now talked about a lot.
[4:35] Speaker 1: We most often hear that it's disappointment around having a boy.
[4:39] Speaker 1: It goes beyond gender disappointment to devastation. People have gone
[4:45] Speaker 1: from being absolutely thrilled to being pregnant to then finding
[4:49] Speaker 1: out the sex of the fetus and no longer being
[4:51] Speaker 1: happy to be pregnant.
[4:53] Speaker 2: This feels really big, and I don't want to come
[4:56] Speaker 2: across a glib or dismissive, because for anybody who feels
[5:02] Speaker 2: like that, I can't even stand in their shoes. I
[5:06] Speaker 2: can't imagine what it feels like. But I guess as
[5:08] Speaker 2: I listen to what you're sharing, a few things stand
[5:12] Speaker 2: out to me. My number one devastation and all of
[5:14] Speaker 2: this is that there is so much noise in society
[5:21] Speaker 2: that parents have forgotten the power of their influence in
[5:28] Speaker 2: their children's lives. We talk about cultural norms, and we
[5:33] Speaker 2: talk about the climate within our society or a culture
[5:38] Speaker 2: in general. But the one culture that will have the
[5:43] Speaker 2: biggest determining factor on how your child chooses to live
[5:48] Speaker 2: their life will happen within the four wars of your
[5:51] Speaker 2: own home.
[5:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, family culture, culture of the family, absolutely.
[5:54] Speaker 2: And the village you choose to build around them. And somehow,
[5:58] Speaker 2: as a parent, we have to drown out the noise.
[6:02] Speaker 2: We have to drown out the voices that are screaming
[6:05] Speaker 2: for our attention and filling our hearts and our minds
[6:10] Speaker 2: with fear, because it actually requires us as parents to
[6:16] Speaker 2: stand up, be strong, stand tall, and stand with courage
[6:21] Speaker 2: as we move through the parenting journey with our children,
[6:25] Speaker 2: hold their hands as we scaffold them, teach them appropriate
[6:30] Speaker 2: and valuable values and principles that will guide them throughout
[6:34] Speaker 2: their lives and help other people be stronger. But while
[6:38] Speaker 2: ever we're listening to this narrative that is so destructive,
[6:43] Speaker 2: we actually help create it. I know that there's a
[6:46] Speaker 2: lot going on in the media, and there are so
[6:49] Speaker 2: many stories about the negative impact of male behavior in general,
[6:57] Speaker 2: But what is driving this is what leaving a mum
[7:02] Speaker 2: who is excited to have a baby only to find
[7:05] Speaker 2: out that she's going to have a boy and now
[7:07] Speaker 2: she's devst I don't know. That just breaks my heart.
[7:12] Speaker 1: I'm watching you, I'm listening to you try to articulate thoughts,
[7:14] Speaker 1: and it's really clear that this is quite impactful for you.
[7:17] Speaker 1: After the break, let's talk about where it's coming from,
[7:20] Speaker 1: why parents are feeling that way, and perhaps most importantly,
[7:22] Speaker 1: what we can do about it. We're back. This is
[7:31] Speaker 1: The Happy Family's podcast Jender Disappointment, gender reveals leading to
[7:35] Speaker 1: misery rather than delight and joy. Kylie, you asked the
[7:38] Speaker 1: question why there's a couple of things that parents have
[7:42] Speaker 1: identified in some research that's been done. A lot of
[7:44] Speaker 1: people have this idea that boys are going to be
[7:46] Speaker 1: more hyperactive, they're going to be more aggressive, they're not
[7:48] Speaker 1: going to be emotional. As a father of six daughters,
[7:51] Speaker 1: I think that having a less emotional house wouldn't be
[7:53] Speaker 1: a problem just for what it's worth. Like, I'm not
[7:57] Speaker 1: but people think that they're going to have a more
[7:59] Speaker 1: emotionally close relationship with a daughter. I would question that.
[8:02] Speaker 1: I would definitely question that. And they don't think that
[8:05] Speaker 1: a boy will care for them when they're older.
[8:06] Speaker 2: It's so funny because my stereotype that I've grown up
[8:10] Speaker 2: with is the loving big brother, right, idea, who dotes
[8:16] Speaker 2: on his parents and will do anything for all of them.
[8:20] Speaker 1: The research certainly doesn't support that. Overall, females are much
[8:24] Speaker 1: more likely to care for, look after, be involved in
[8:26] Speaker 1: the lives of their aging parents than males. Males do
[8:29] Speaker 1: seem to move away a lot more and be less involved.
[8:32] Speaker 1: So if you're in a situation where that's not the case,
[8:34] Speaker 1: That's not what the research typically points to. Parents are
[8:37] Speaker 1: also worried about mums specifically, what do I do with
[8:40] Speaker 1: the boy? How do I connect with the boy? That
[8:42] Speaker 1: seems to be a really common issue. And they're also
[8:44] Speaker 1: fearful of raising a boy because of the issues around
[8:45] Speaker 1: aggression and family violence and criminal behavior incarceration. I think
[8:52] Speaker 1: as well. I found this comment, this quote from somebody
[8:57] Speaker 1: who said, a lot of women are concern because they
[9:01] Speaker 1: want their boys, if they have them, to be able
[9:03] Speaker 1: to express a full range of emotions, and they worry
[9:06] Speaker 1: that it might not be equally supported by partners who
[9:08] Speaker 1: hold more traditional views about boys needing to be tough.
[9:12] Speaker 2: Again, all I hear as you're talking is living into
[9:17] Speaker 2: the fear of what could or may happen without giving
[9:22] Speaker 2: our children our full support to help them grow into
[9:27] Speaker 2: healthy human beings who can make a difference in the world. Yeah,
[9:32] Speaker 2: we have no idea what's going to happen in twenty
[9:34] Speaker 2: years when they find their perfect match or when they
[9:37] Speaker 2: choose to be a when.
[9:39] Speaker 1: They start to make a contribution to the world, once
[9:40] Speaker 1: they go from being a taker to a giver, which
[9:42] Speaker 1: is what every child has to do at some point, but.
[9:44] Speaker 2: We don't have any control over that. What we have
[9:46] Speaker 2: control over is what happens in our home right now.
[9:49] Speaker 1: So I'm going to just say a couple of things,
[9:51] Speaker 1: And this is what I've been thinking about for the
[9:52] Speaker 1: last four years. Writing off half the population because of
[9:55] Speaker 1: their external anatomy, because of the fact they've got outdoor plumbing.
[9:59] Speaker 2: It's a perfect way to extinct a whole whole species.
[10:03] Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. Boys aren't the problem. They're the solution.
[10:08] Speaker 1: And while if we look at boys as the problem,
[10:09] Speaker 1: that's when we become the problem. Boys are not the problem.
[10:13] Speaker 1: They are the solution. What we are trying to do
[10:17] Speaker 1: here is stop people being scared of boys. And you
[10:20] Speaker 1: know how you do that. You do that by doing
[10:21] Speaker 1: stuff that I've written that in my brand new book Boys.
[10:24] Speaker 1: You teach boys to help the people around them to
[10:26] Speaker 1: feel safer and stronger, to feel and be safer and
[10:29] Speaker 1: stronger when boys grow up knowing that they should be
[10:33] Speaker 1: ches stackers, that they should be a bonus, that they
[10:34] Speaker 1: should be adding value. When we as parents teach them
[10:37] Speaker 1: that they will be okay. People are watching stuff like
[10:41] Speaker 1: Luther's inside the Manisphere and just thinking, Oh, my goodness,
[10:44] Speaker 1: all of our boys are going to turn into these
[10:46] Speaker 1: turds that they're exploiting, that are grifting, that are saying
[10:50] Speaker 1: these awful things online. I've said it in my book
[10:53] Speaker 1: and it's a really provocative claim. I don't think that
[10:56] Speaker 1: the manisphere is nearly as influential, nearly as influential as
[11:01] Speaker 1: the scare mongers and the media make it out to be.
[11:04] Speaker 1: It makes the great headlines, But Kylie, I gave a
[11:08] Speaker 1: talk a little over a month ago at a school
[11:10] Speaker 1: in Melbourne. It was it was called Gilson College. And
[11:15] Speaker 1: what I didn't know is that the week before I
[11:17] Speaker 1: gave the talk, the year ten boys had been on
[11:19] Speaker 1: camp and there was a small group of these boys
[11:22] Speaker 1: that were problematic, to say the least. They'd left a
[11:25] Speaker 1: teacher in tears, they had upset the general public, they'd
[11:28] Speaker 1: been complaints to the school. The school was trying to
[11:30] Speaker 1: work out what to do with them. I'm at the
[11:32] Speaker 1: school the next week and I'm giving this talk called
[11:35] Speaker 1: Level Up and I'm talking to them about some stuff,
[11:38] Speaker 1: and masculinity came up as part of the content, and
[11:43] Speaker 1: at the end of the talk, about ten or fifteen
[11:46] Speaker 1: boys came and crowded around me, and they started to
[11:48] Speaker 1: ask questions about the masculinity stuff I'd been talking about.
[11:52] Speaker 1: What I didn't know is that the boys who had
[11:53] Speaker 1: caused the problems at the camp were in that semi
[11:56] Speaker 1: circle around me asking questions. The head of well being
[12:00] Speaker 1: that the whole lot of staff they're listening and watching.
[12:02] Speaker 1: They knew who these boys were, and they were like,
[12:05] Speaker 1: what are they going to say to Justin? Why are
[12:06] Speaker 1: they asking him questions? They're listening one of the boys.
[12:11] Speaker 1: I'd been talking about girlfriend boyfriend interactions, and one of
[12:14] Speaker 1: the boys said, how do you know when you found
[12:16] Speaker 1: the right girl? And all the boys were like, yeah,
[12:19] Speaker 1: tell us, how do you know? How do you know?
[12:21] Speaker 1: And that led to this conversation about how you're supposed
[12:24] Speaker 1: to treat girls and what you should do on a date,
[12:26] Speaker 1: and we just had this fifteen or twenty minute conversation.
[12:28] Speaker 1: At the end of my talk, it turned into this
[12:31] Speaker 1: really long conversation about helping girls feel safer and stronger.
[12:34] Speaker 1: They brought it up, how do you know that you're
[12:35] Speaker 1: helping them to feel safe and strong? How do you
[12:37] Speaker 1: know when you're not? And we got to really dive
[12:39] Speaker 1: into some really really fun discussion points. At the end,
[12:44] Speaker 1: four or five boys were still there wanting more info,
[12:47] Speaker 1: and I had to go and give another talk somewhere else.
[12:49] Speaker 1: So I was asked to leave and the boys were
[12:51] Speaker 1: told to toddle off. But as I walked away, the
[12:53] Speaker 1: teacher who was running the show just said, here's the story,
[12:55] Speaker 1: here's who these boys are, here's what's been happening. And
[12:58] Speaker 1: she was just like, I cannot believe what just happened.
[13:00] Speaker 1: These boys are thirsty for good role models. They're thirsty
[13:04] Speaker 1: for definitions and descriptions of what healthy masculinity looks like.
[13:08] Speaker 1: They are not interested. They don't want to adopt the
[13:11] Speaker 1: lexicon of the manisphere, the troublesome parts of the manisphere.
[13:14] Speaker 1: They want goodness, They want good relationships. They want to
[13:18] Speaker 1: be perceived socially and economically as viable and potential mates.
[13:22] Speaker 1: They want to have rich, fulfilling lives, and we keep
[13:26] Speaker 1: on writing boys off.
[13:27] Speaker 2: I was about to say, while ever we see boys
[13:31] Speaker 2: as the problem, they will never rise above that and
[13:34] Speaker 2: they will live to your expectation, and.
[13:37] Speaker 1: We are the problem if that's how we're seeing them,
[13:38] Speaker 1: because they're not. And I sat there and listened to
[13:41] Speaker 1: what these boys were asking and looked at their involvement
[13:45] Speaker 1: and the ongoing questions, the things that really engaged and
[13:48] Speaker 1: intrigued them. About what I was saying, Kylie, I just
[13:50] Speaker 1: I thought to myself, before I knew what they'd been
[13:52] Speaker 1: up to the week before, I was like, these kids
[13:55] Speaker 1: are gonna make it. These boys are going to be fine.
[13:58] Speaker 1: These are good boys, because this already the goodness inside them,
[14:01] Speaker 1: it was oozing out of them. And so I asked
[14:03] Speaker 1: these earnest, meaningful, rich questions about how they could be
[14:07] Speaker 1: better boys. I loved it, and I just I hear
[14:11] Speaker 1: these stories and I'm like, can we just get over
[14:13] Speaker 1: this gender disappointment and love these kids? If we love them,
[14:18] Speaker 1: love them, love them, They're going to do okay.
[14:20] Speaker 2: But how much of this do you think actually comes
[14:22] Speaker 2: as a result of so much emphasis on the differences
[14:26] Speaker 2: in gender. You talk about, like, you know, cultural differences,
[14:31] Speaker 2: and we find ourselves in these communities, and we kind
[14:34] Speaker 2: of gather to our own kind of cultures within a
[14:39] Speaker 2: community group because we associate with the people we're most like. Right,
[14:44] Speaker 2: But and so I'm not minimizing the differences that we
[14:50] Speaker 2: hold in our own respective genders. However, what I do
[14:55] Speaker 2: see is we talk about boys needing to kind of
[14:59] Speaker 2: show up and add more and give ad bonus how
[15:04] Speaker 2: people feel safe. But that's not a gender thing, now,
[15:07] Speaker 2: that's a human thing. That's a human thing, and the
[15:09] Speaker 2: values that we want to instill it in our boys
[15:12] Speaker 2: are just the same values that we should be instilling
[15:15] Speaker 2: in our girls. And so why are we separating them?
[15:19] Speaker 2: This is about being a good human.
[15:21] Speaker 1: Being, yes, correct. However, biology does tend to push boys
[15:27] Speaker 1: specifically away from what biology seems to draw girls into,
[15:32] Speaker 1: which is safer and stronger. And whether that's because of
[15:34] Speaker 1: the socio cultural conditioning across millennia, or whether it's because
[15:38] Speaker 1: of genetics or a combination of the two, it probably
[15:40] Speaker 1: is both of them. Out I've written about this really
[15:42] Speaker 1: explicitly in the book. When you have this scenario where
[15:48] Speaker 1: boys are drawn to warfare and wrestling and making themselves
[15:54] Speaker 1: big and having the antelopes antlers, and then you add
[15:57] Speaker 1: to it the cultural conditioning that boys are meant to
[15:59] Speaker 1: be all these things, what that does is it pulls
[16:03] Speaker 1: boys in a direction that is not as pro social,
[16:05] Speaker 1: whereas girls, through both genetics and conditioning, are taught to
[16:08] Speaker 1: be extremely pro social.
[16:10] Speaker 2: But I think so much of girls pro social behavior
[16:14] Speaker 2: as people pleasing.
[16:15] Speaker 1: Yeah unfortunately, Yeah, that's right. I'm not arguing that's healthy either,
[16:18] Speaker 1: but we're talking about the boys today specifically. The other
[16:20] Speaker 1: thing that I would say, though, is when we try
[16:22] Speaker 1: to bring everyone together, that's where the manisphere has really exploded,
[16:25] Speaker 1: because there are too many people who are trying to
[16:28] Speaker 1: turn boys into male versions of girls, and they're trying
[16:32] Speaker 1: to soften them and get them to be all emotional,
[16:34] Speaker 1: in touch with their emotions and really really coddled and
[16:37] Speaker 1: gentle inclined, and boys actually really want to use their bodies.
[16:40] Speaker 1: They want to be strong, they want to be able
[16:42] Speaker 1: to flex and have their biceps pop so that they
[16:45] Speaker 1: can either be intimidating or prove that they can protect.
[16:48] Speaker 1: And so we're seeing the various voices on the periphery
[16:52] Speaker 1: of the manisphere, the unhealthy people there arguing you need
[16:56] Speaker 1: to reclaim your status as a strong man, as a
[16:59] Speaker 1: protector provider, And so we get this pull back towards that,
[17:03] Speaker 1: but in unhealthy ways. It's often associated with a whole
[17:06] Speaker 1: lot of scamming and drifting and only fans and that
[17:08] Speaker 1: kind of thing. The whole argument that I'm making in
[17:11] Speaker 1: the book Boys, which you can pre order now book
[17:13] Speaker 1: Toopia dot com, and I'd love for you to do it.
[17:14] Speaker 1: We'll link to it in the show notes. The whole
[17:16] Speaker 1: argument that I'm making is that Number One, we shouldn't
[17:18] Speaker 1: be disappointed without having a boy or a girl, like,
[17:19] Speaker 1: let's just celebrate the joy. So many people can't have children.
[17:22] Speaker 1: Let's celebrate the joy that we're having a baby. Number Two,
[17:25] Speaker 1: when we raise them an environment that is supportive and
[17:27] Speaker 1: loving and teach them to help the people around them
[17:28] Speaker 1: feel safer and stronger, they're going to be just fine.
[17:31] Speaker 1: I wanted to raise this story today because I keep
[17:34] Speaker 1: hearing it. I've spoken to so many parents who say, oh, yeah,
[17:37] Speaker 1: I'm a boy mum, and they actually kind of cover
[17:38] Speaker 1: their eyes, they hang their head, they don't want to
[17:41] Speaker 1: own up to it. And I just I want boy
[17:44] Speaker 1: mums to stand up and be really strong about it
[17:45] Speaker 1: and say, yeah, I'm raising great boys. I'm so proud
[17:47] Speaker 1: of my boys.
[17:48] Speaker 2: I need them to raise great boys.
[17:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, because we've got daughters that are looking for great boys. Honestly. Yeah. Anyway,
[17:53] Speaker 1: that's the story today. We'd love to get your feedback
[17:57] Speaker 1: on it. You can jump into our social pages and
[17:59] Speaker 1: tell us what you think about this gender disappointment challenge
[18:02] Speaker 1: but happy found. His podcast is produced by Justin roll
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