# The World is Saying 'Enough'

An episode of [Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1082244480), 25 Feb 2026, 17 min.

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The tide is turning. For years, parents have worried about what social media is doing to their children. Now the courts — and entire countries — are stepping in. In this episode, we unpack the landmark lawsuits against Meta and YouTube, accusing them of deliberately designing addictive platforms for kids. Could this finally be the moment Big Tech is held accountable? Plus, we explore how Australia’s minimum age social media legislation is sparking global momentum — with France, Indonesia, Spain, Netherlands and even the United States watching closely. Is this the beginning of real change — or a legal mountain too high to climb? KEY POINTS • Multiple U.S. lawsuits claim Big Tech intentionally designed platforms to addict children. • Plaintiffs argue engagement was prioritised over wellbeing. • The burden of proof will be enormous — especially around “addiction” and mental health causation.Section 230 in the U.S. could shield platforms from liability. • Australia’s minimum age legislation is triggering global ripple effects. • When “everyone knows that everyone knows,” social change accelerates. • Screens displace sleep, movement, connection, and real-world development. QUOTE OF THE EPISODE “Life happens analog, not digital — and parenting should too.” RESOURCES MENTIONED • Ten Things Every Parent Needs to Know – Dr Justin Coulson • When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows – Steven Pinker • The Anxious Generation – Jonathan Haidt • Parenting ADHD \[The Course\] ACTION STEPS FOR PARENTS • Delay social media as long as possible. • Keep devices out of bedrooms overnight. • Prioritise sleep, movement, and face-to-face connection. • Have open conversations about persuasive design and algorithms. • Remember: you are not powerless — your home rules matter more than any platform. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:06] Speaker 1: The world is saying enough, big tech is under fire.
[0:09] Speaker 1: That's today's podcast. We're doing a mash up of this
[0:12] Speaker 1: Week in Parenting and The Doctor's Desk, which somewhat excites
[0:18] Speaker 1: Kylie because the Doctor's Desk is not normally her favorite. Hello,
[0:21] Speaker 1: Welcome to The Happy Family's podcast. Right after the break,
[0:23] Speaker 1: we're going to be highlighting how big tech companies are
[0:26] Speaker 1: being taken to court by so many people over in
[0:28] Speaker 1: the US and what that could possibly mean in terms
[0:31] Speaker 1: of how our families function and how our children thrive. Then,
[0:36] Speaker 1: the line in the sand that's been drawn by Australia
[0:39] Speaker 1: seems to be becoming extended by other nations. We'll talk
[0:42] Speaker 1: about what has happened as the world has watched Australia's
[0:47] Speaker 1: minimum age social media legislation. That and a whole lot
[0:50] Speaker 1: more in today's podcast. Stay with us. Hello, and welcome
[0:55] Speaker 1: to The Happy Family's podcast, where you get real parenting
[0:57] Speaker 1: solutions every single day. This is Australia's most downloaded parenting
[1:01] Speaker 1: podcast where Justin and Kylie Colson were the parents of
[1:03] Speaker 1: six kids on the author of a bunch of books,
[1:04] Speaker 1: I've Got a TV show and the most download podcast
[1:07] Speaker 1: here in oz Hey Kylie, I feel as though we
[1:10] Speaker 1: do a lot of podcasts related to screens. Feels to
[1:12] Speaker 1: me as though parenting is really about screens. In twenty
[1:16] Speaker 1: twenty six, we're not really talking about parenting as much
[1:20] Speaker 1: as how do we deal with kids? Because screens have
[1:22] Speaker 1: taken over.
[1:23] Speaker 2: That's definitely our experience.
[1:26] Speaker 1: Give a child a screen and watch their relationship with
[1:29] Speaker 1: you and everything else in the world completely change. It
[1:32] Speaker 1: becomes the center of the universe. Today, We're going to
[1:35] Speaker 1: move through a fair bit of material and do it
[1:36] Speaker 1: fairly quickly. Kylie, I'd like you to guide it if
[1:38] Speaker 1: you can. We've got some lawsuits happening in the US
[1:41] Speaker 1: where the big tech companies a run to fire, and
[1:43] Speaker 1: we've got countries right around the world who've been watching
[1:45] Speaker 1: what we're doing and deciding that looks all right, Maybe
[1:48] Speaker 1: we should do that too.
[1:51] Speaker 3: Mata, the parent company at Facebook and Instagram and Alphabet's YouTube,
[1:55] Speaker 3: are defending themselves in a landmark civil suit that accuses
[1:59] Speaker 3: them of purpose designing their products to cause addiction in children.
[2:04] Speaker 2: Well, I'm curious, what are these lawsuits about.
[2:07] Speaker 1: Okay, So in the United States right now, quite a
[2:10] Speaker 1: wave of lawsuits are going to be rolling out throughout
[2:12] Speaker 1: the year. The first one just started in the last
[2:13] Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Essentially, you've got a whole bunch of people,
[2:17] Speaker 1: some states, also some school districts who are accusing social media,
[2:21] Speaker 1: big tech platforms of causing addiction in teenagers. So these
[2:26] Speaker 1: are test cases, and they're basically trying to prove that.
[2:29] Speaker 2: When you say test case, what do you mean?
[2:31] Speaker 1: So test cases? Essentially, there hasn't been any previous lawsuits
[2:36] Speaker 1: around this, there's no precedent, so they're trying to find
[2:39] Speaker 1: something where they think we could potentially win this and
[2:41] Speaker 1: this can set the precedent for future law cases, future trials,
[2:46] Speaker 1: future suing opportunities, future civil actions, all those kinds of things.
[2:51] Speaker 2: If these go through like this will totally turn the
[2:56] Speaker 2: world upside down in so many ways.
[2:58] Speaker 1: Potentially, I hope so. But they have got a fight
[3:03] Speaker 1: on their hands, not just because the big tech companies
[3:07] Speaker 1: can afford the most expensive lawyers on the planet, but
[3:11] Speaker 1: because the things that they're arguing and the things that
[3:13] Speaker 1: they're doing in their efforts to sue the big tech
[3:15] Speaker 1: companies are going to be very hard to prove.
[3:17] Speaker 2: So you've suggested that there are multiple cases going to
[3:21] Speaker 2: court at this point, what are people suing social media
[3:25] Speaker 2: companies for.
[3:26] Speaker 1: They're not all of the schedule. The first one has
[3:28] Speaker 1: just kicked off, so there'll be a number of additional
[3:31] Speaker 1: cases throughout the year. But the first one is somebody
[3:33] Speaker 1: who is simply known by their initials KJAM, twenty years old,
[3:37] Speaker 1: saying that they are addicted to technology as a child
[3:40] Speaker 1: and now have mental health problems. So, in this particular case,
[3:44] Speaker 1: which is the only one we can talk about because
[3:45] Speaker 1: the other ones haven't got a call yet, in this
[3:47] Speaker 1: particular case, what they're basically saying is tech companies have
[3:51] Speaker 1: intentionally developed platforms using persuasive design elements like endless scroll
[3:59] Speaker 1: and the like button and everything that keeps you coming back.
[4:02] Speaker 1: I mean, you and I and everyone else who uses
[4:05] Speaker 1: social media knows what they are because they hook us,
[4:07] Speaker 1: and the algorithm knows us so well. The algorithm is
[4:08] Speaker 1: a huge part of this. And fundamentally, the big tech
[4:12] Speaker 1: companies have prioritized engagement over wellbeing. They've known what they're doing,
[4:17] Speaker 1: they've known that wellbeing is suffering, and they have ignored that.
[4:21] Speaker 1: They've said, no, no, we want to engage these people.
[4:23] Speaker 1: We want to addict them, we want to keep them
[4:24] Speaker 1: here and therefore mental health problems have resulted there. So
[4:30] Speaker 1: essentially they're saying the ABC's of this case, this is
[4:33] Speaker 1: literally what the lawyer has said, the abcs of this
[4:35] Speaker 1: case that the big tech companies are addicting the brains
[4:38] Speaker 1: of children. ABC addicting brains of children. That's pretty much
[4:42] Speaker 1: their argument.
[4:44] Speaker 2: So if this case actually wins, the ramifications for social
[4:50] Speaker 2: media companies would be enormous because there would.
[4:55] Speaker 1: Be a lot of people who would say, my pain.
[4:57] Speaker 2: I can't even begin to imagine how many people.
[4:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, my mental health problem are a result of my
[5:00] Speaker 1: social media use, and now I can sue Meta as
[5:02] Speaker 1: well or TikTok as well.
[5:04] Speaker 2: Like we literally we have friends within our social circle
[5:08] Speaker 2: who are dealing with this in such extreme ways. The children.
[5:14] Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer, but I know a lot about
[5:15] Speaker 1: social media and the research around the psychology and well
[5:17] Speaker 1: being about young people. The challenge here is the burden
[5:22] Speaker 1: of proof. How do you prove that it was social media?
[5:25] Speaker 1: How do you prove that it was the persuasive design elements.
[5:27] Speaker 1: How do you prove that it was intentional and inappropriate
[5:31] Speaker 1: behavior by the social media platforms that has created the
[5:35] Speaker 1: mental health problem that you're dealing with. That's going to
[5:38] Speaker 1: be the challenge. And of course, the whole justice system
[5:41] Speaker 1: is you're innocent until proven guilty. Therefore, the burden of
[5:45] Speaker 1: proof is on the person who says that they are aggrieved.
[5:47] Speaker 1: They are the plaintiff in this case.
[5:50] Speaker 2: So in this case, how will lawyers defend it?
[5:52] Speaker 1: I think that they're going to do three things, and
[5:54] Speaker 1: I have put a lot of thought into this. If
[5:55] Speaker 1: I was the lawyer for a big tech company, this
[5:57] Speaker 1: is what I'd be saying. Number one, I would be
[6:00] Speaker 1: the legitimacy of quote unquote social media addiction. Addiction generally speaking,
[6:06] Speaker 1: is a contested and challenging term in psychological literature anyway,
[6:11] Speaker 1: and without getting into the weeds too much, I just
[6:14] Speaker 1: think that it's going to be really hard to say
[6:16] Speaker 1: somebody has been addicted to our platform. In fact, Instagram
[6:20] Speaker 1: CEO a couple of weeks ago was in court and
[6:22] Speaker 1: literally saying I don't believe in such a thing as
[6:25] Speaker 1: social media addiction and social media addiction, like I said,
[6:29] Speaker 1: massively contested. We know that. In one of my books,
[6:33] Speaker 1: in Ten Things Every Parent Needs to Know, I talked
[6:36] Speaker 1: about compulsive Internet use, which is a way of very
[6:39] Speaker 1: softly saying your children are addicted without using the word addicted,
[6:43] Speaker 1: because addicted is such a provocative and it's just one
[6:47] Speaker 1: of those terms when if you bring it up to
[6:49] Speaker 1: a psychologist, all of a sudden, the flashbulbs start going
[6:52] Speaker 1: after and says, well, is it really addiction, because as
[6:53] Speaker 1: their tolerance and is their withdrawal and what's been going
[6:56] Speaker 1: Addiction is a really really challenging term to use, and
[7:01] Speaker 1: there is simply not enough data. There is no such
[7:04] Speaker 1: thing as a diagnosis of social media addiction. So that
[7:07] Speaker 1: will be the first thing that I'll argue. They're not addicted.
[7:09] Speaker 1: They might be using it a lot, but they're not
[7:11] Speaker 1: addicted because you can't be addicted to social media. The
[7:15] Speaker 1: second thing that I think they're going to argue is
[7:17] Speaker 1: that we've got a whole lot of safety features. We've
[7:19] Speaker 1: been implementing safety features from day one, and over the
[7:21] Speaker 1: last few years we've gotten better and better and better
[7:23] Speaker 1: at this. I would argue that's disingenuous. I do not
[7:26] Speaker 1: believe that the safety features that they've got are easy
[7:29] Speaker 1: to find, easy to activate, nor were they in They
[7:33] Speaker 1: weren't available in the early days of social media. But
[7:36] Speaker 1: they will argue that that's a feature. And the third
[7:39] Speaker 1: thing is they're going to say, prove that the harm
[7:43] Speaker 1: that you've experienced that the social media landscape is what
[7:48] Speaker 1: caused what caused your mental health challenges. And that's going
[7:52] Speaker 1: to be extremely hard to prove because mental health challenges
[7:55] Speaker 1: are so multifaceted. It has to do with your peer
[7:58] Speaker 1: group and your family and you and sleep and exercise
[8:01] Speaker 1: and medical wellbeing. It there are so many factors that
[8:04] Speaker 1: go into it. Oh, there's one other thing that I
[8:05] Speaker 1: just remembered as well. There's something called Section two thirty.
[8:08] Speaker 1: Section two thirty is a law in the United States.
[8:10] Speaker 1: So you don't want to put everyone to sleep, So
[8:11] Speaker 1: I'll say this really fast. The law in the United
[8:13] Speaker 1: States basically says that the social media platforms are not
[8:16] Speaker 1: responsible for what people post on the platforms. In the
[8:19] Speaker 1: early days, when people started posting stuff, social media companies went, oh,
[8:22] Speaker 1: my goodness, this could be challenging for us if we
[8:24] Speaker 1: are held liable for what people post, we do not
[8:26] Speaker 1: have a product, and so they lobbied and got the
[8:28] Speaker 1: government to pass Section two thirty, which fundamentally means people
[8:32] Speaker 1: can post whatever they like. Social media companies aren't responsible
[8:35] Speaker 1: for what's on their pages. That is also probably going
[8:39] Speaker 1: to be used as a way of defending the social
[8:42] Speaker 1: media companies, because they can say, well, you've been using
[8:46] Speaker 1: our platform, but we're not responsible for what people posted,
[8:48] Speaker 1: and if the content on there is keeping you coming
[8:50] Speaker 1: back and is addictive, that's not our fault. We can't
[8:52] Speaker 1: help the people are posting such awesome stuff in spite
[8:55] Speaker 1: of the overm So after the break, after the break,
[8:58] Speaker 1: because we did need a technic break, I want to
[8:59] Speaker 1: talk about my overall take on what this is. And
[9:02] Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll have some questions and comments about it
[9:04] Speaker 1: as well. And I do want to talk about what's
[9:06] Speaker 1: happening globally and bring that second story in because this
[9:09] Speaker 1: social media challenge is not going away and his parents,
[9:13] Speaker 1: it's really important that we know what's going on here.
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[9:43] Speaker 2: So what's your take on this? It feels like there
[9:46] Speaker 2: is not just a mountain, a mountain range that has
[9:49] Speaker 2: to be crossed, right, Yeah, for this to go anywhere.
[9:52] Speaker 1: This is the neverest. I feel like Judge Judy right now.
[9:55] Speaker 1: I feel like I'm sitting there at the I'm wearing
[9:57] Speaker 1: my black robe and I've got my hammer. I'm about
[9:58] Speaker 1: to say order, order, and I don't know. I'm not
[10:01] Speaker 1: a lawyer, but with what I do know, here's what
[10:03] Speaker 1: I would say. Number One, it's hard to argue that
[10:06] Speaker 1: social media has not caused harm. I believe that it
[10:08] Speaker 1: has not to all teenagers, but certainly too many. And
[10:12] Speaker 1: the social media company's own research shows that it has happened,
[10:17] Speaker 1: that it is happening, that it continues to happen, And
[10:20] Speaker 1: it would be breathtakingly disingenuous, mendacious, dishonest for them to
[10:25] Speaker 1: say otherwise, but you know what they will, because they
[10:27] Speaker 1: are mendacious, and they are dishonest, and they are disingenuous,
[10:29] Speaker 1: And I've got no belief in their integrity whatsoever.
[10:32] Speaker 2: I remember experience that you and I had early on
[10:35] Speaker 2: in our marriage, and when it came to a verdict
[10:39] Speaker 2: being called, the acknowledgment was that, well, the other party
[10:44] Speaker 2: had acted immoraly, they had not acted unlawfully.
[10:49] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So this is going back a long time
[10:51] Speaker 1: when we ended up in court for some reasons, when
[10:54] Speaker 1: I decided that I could win a court case against
[10:56] Speaker 1: a previous employer, and it just all it did was
[10:59] Speaker 1: chewed up our lives for a year and it was miserable.
[11:01] Speaker 1: But this, and it's not about morality.
[11:03] Speaker 2: This to me feels like it's exactly the same thing.
[11:06] Speaker 2: They know exactly what they're doing, but they've created the
[11:10] Speaker 2: safety net within the law to protect them in spite
[11:14] Speaker 2: of the fact that it's in a morally corrupt enterprise
[11:16] Speaker 2: like it just, I can't see how you can win.
[11:20] Speaker 1: This is going to be a really big challenge. So
[11:22] Speaker 1: they will argue hard against that, even though it does.
[11:25] Speaker 1: You talked about it the legal landscape, and I'm thinking
[11:29] Speaker 1: of all the caves.
[11:30] Speaker 2: Have already passed a law.
[11:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, all the caves that they can hide in, exactly right,
[11:34] Speaker 1: all the coves that protect them from the wind, and
[11:36] Speaker 1: the storm and that kind of thing.
[11:38] Speaker 2: I also hide behind this big shield of financial security
[11:42] Speaker 2: that buys them whatever they need.
[11:44] Speaker 1: Buy them all the protection they need. Yeah, the technicalities
[11:47] Speaker 1: are also going to be really hard to overcome here, compulsive, intentional, addictive, harmful,
[11:53] Speaker 1: it is. I think that it's pretty clear that they're
[11:56] Speaker 1: prioritized engagement over safety. I also think it's clear that
[12:00] Speaker 1: they've done too little, too late. But this is going
[12:03] Speaker 1: to be tricky, and like I said before, mental health
[12:06] Speaker 1: it's so multifaceted. It's so complex to be able to
[12:09] Speaker 1: say I have my mental health challenges. They exist because
[12:13] Speaker 1: of what you've done on your platform. That's a really,
[12:17] Speaker 1: really big hard thing to prove, so big lawyers Section
[12:23] Speaker 1: two thirty. I'm not hopeful. I'm genuinely not hopeful. I
[12:26] Speaker 1: wish I was. I wish I could say this is
[12:28] Speaker 1: the start of something new. There's going to be a
[12:29] Speaker 1: whole new world. I don't like the chances that this
[12:34] Speaker 1: stuff will get up. And I have to add, if
[12:36] Speaker 1: the small person here wins against the goliath of the
[12:40] Speaker 1: big tech companies, the big tech companies will appeal, it
[12:43] Speaker 1: will go to a higher court. This stuff will drag
[12:45] Speaker 1: on four years. We are not going to get quick
[12:46] Speaker 1: resolutions if.
[12:48] Speaker 2: She didn't have any mental health challenges before the case.
[12:52] Speaker 2: By the time she gets through the other end of it,
[12:55] Speaker 2: it's big challenges. It's going to be intense, taxing. But
[12:57] Speaker 2: now I think we've only got a few minutes left.
[12:59] Speaker 2: And I am curious. You made a prediction at the
[13:02] Speaker 2: beginning of the year in relation to the social media
[13:06] Speaker 2: minimum age legislation that was recently passed here in Australia,
[13:10] Speaker 2: and that you believed it would start to have a
[13:14] Speaker 2: flow on effect around the.
[13:15] Speaker 1: World proliferation was my prediction. And where are we at.
[13:19] Speaker 2: You've got an update.
[13:20] Speaker 1: The world is paying attention to Australia, which is what
[13:22] Speaker 1: I said. People are watching so right now. Indonesia is
[13:25] Speaker 1: looking at passing some legislation fairly soon. France has also
[13:28] Speaker 1: signed on they're going to make it fifteen. There are
[13:30] Speaker 1: some cultural reasons that it's fifteen in France. Sixteen is
[13:33] Speaker 1: still a better age, but they're going to go with fifteen.
[13:35] Speaker 1: Fifteen is better than twelve, twelve or thirteen. Also, Spain
[13:39] Speaker 1: and the Netherlands are debating legislation at the moment and
[13:43] Speaker 1: trying to draft the right legislation to get that through
[13:45] Speaker 1: their parliament. And I saw a news article in the
[13:47] Speaker 1: last week indicating that the United States of America is
[13:53] Speaker 1: saying that they're going to look at it. Now. I
[13:54] Speaker 1: don't know what that means, and I've got very very
[13:56] Speaker 1: low of hopes. However, the tide is turning, and I
[14:01] Speaker 1: do want to read something to you that showed up
[14:03] Speaker 1: on Jonathan Heit's blog after Babel. He was sharing something
[14:07] Speaker 1: in relation to why this line in the sand moment
[14:09] Speaker 1: has happened, and he says this. He says the cognitive
[14:12] Speaker 1: psychologist Stephen Pinker explains what's happening. His most recent book,
[14:17] Speaker 1: When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows, Common Knowledge and the
[14:19] Speaker 1: Mysteries of Money, Power and Everyday Life explores the massive
[14:23] Speaker 1: social change that can occur when widespread private knowledge suddenly
[14:28] Speaker 1: becomes public knowledge. For example, many people may privately know
[14:33] Speaker 1: that a dictator is brutal, that an ideology is bankrupt,
[14:35] Speaker 1: yet nothing changes for many years until something happens that
[14:38] Speaker 1: lets everyone know that everyone else knows it too, and
[14:42] Speaker 1: that everyone knows that everyone knows that everyone knows. Once
[14:47] Speaker 1: that threshold has crossed, new forms of coordination become possible.
[14:50] Speaker 1: Social movements ignite regimes and walls fall. Norms can change
[14:54] Speaker 1: almost overnight. Hands Christian Anderson captured the same dynamic in
[14:57] Speaker 1: his famous story The Emperor's New Clothes. The Emperor was
[15:00] Speaker 1: and everyone could see it, but no one knew if
[15:03] Speaker 1: others saw it too, because the swindlers had spread the
[15:07] Speaker 1: idea that only the wires could see the cloth. It
[15:10] Speaker 1: took a child's cry the Emperor has no clothes to
[15:14] Speaker 1: convert private knowledge into public knowledge. What the child said
[15:18] Speaker 1: was whispered from one to another until the crowd finally
[15:21] Speaker 1: cried out together. This, says Jonathan Hyight, is what happened
[15:25] Speaker 1: among leaders around the world in the month after Australia's
[15:28] Speaker 1: age limit went into effect. In other words, everyone's always known, well,
[15:32] Speaker 1: for years, we've known this is not good for our kids,
[15:35] Speaker 1: but everybody hasn't known that everybody else knows. But now
[15:37] Speaker 1: that everybody knows that everybody knows, we can say everybody knows,
[15:42] Speaker 1: and therefore the change is sweeping the globe.
[15:45] Speaker 2: So it just feels like to me, there's this reassurance
[15:49] Speaker 2: that the power of one voice can actually make a difference.
[15:54] Speaker 1: It's pretty wild. It's pretty wild. So let's just wrap
[15:57] Speaker 1: this up with take home message. To take home message
[15:59] Speaker 1: is pretty clear. When your children are engaging with screens,
[16:02] Speaker 1: they're missing out on life. When your children engaging with screens,
[16:05] Speaker 1: their risk of mental health challenges is increasing, the risk
[16:09] Speaker 1: of obesity is increasing. Their risk of losing out on
[16:12] Speaker 1: sleep is increasing. Their risk of social difficulties is increasing.
[16:17] Speaker 1: The risk of anything good happening in their lives is
[16:20] Speaker 1: decreasing because life happens analog not digital. Far more, parenting
[16:26] Speaker 1: should be analog as well, not digital. That's the take
[16:30] Speaker 1: home message for today. Thanks so much for listening to
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