# The Screen Mistake Parents Don't See Until It's Too Late \[with Madonna King\]

An episode of [Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1082244480), 11 Aug 2026, 19 min.

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You banned social media. You set the rules. You thought the biggest danger was over. It isn't. Award-winning journalist Madonna King has spent more than a year speaking with hundreds of children, parents, teachers, psychologists and researchers. What she uncovered will change the way you think about every screen in your home. This conversation goes far beyond social media. From AI doing our kids' thinking for them to the quiet loss of patience, creativity and resilience, Madonna explains why the biggest risks are often the ones no one is talking about. Most importantly, she shares practical ways to reset your family's relationship with technology without constant battles. If you've ever wondered whether screens are changing your child, this episode will leave you seeing them differently. KEY POINTS • Why banning social media doesn't solve the bigger problem. • The hidden risks inside gaming platforms and AI. • How AI is teaching children to stop thinking for themselves. • Why instant gratification is reshaping behaviour, resilience and learning. • Simple ways to reset screen habits without creating daily conflict. • The small family rituals that build patience, connection and confidence. • Why your own screen habits matter more than you think. • The shocking amount of data already collected about the average teenager. QUOTE OF THE EPISODE "Parents really want their children to grow up kind, curious and clever. Yet we're risking that by allowing strangers and algorithms to shape who they become." — Madonna King RESOURCES MENTIONED • Screen Wise: Take Back Control of Screen Time for Toddlers to Teens by Madonna King • Happy Families Screen Smart Series ACTION STEPS FOR PARENTS • Look beyond social media and review every screen your child uses. • Choose one family habit that teaches patience, like cooking together, waiting before buying something or playing board games. • Create regular screen-free family time where everyone puts their phone away. • Replace some screen time with creative hobbies that slow life down. • Take an honest look at your own screen habits. Your child is watching. • Start conversations about AI instead of assuming your child knows how to use it safely. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: This is The Happy Family's podcast. Thanks so much for
[0:08] Speaker 1: joining me today. We banned social media for under sixteens
[0:12] Speaker 1: in Australia a few months back December ten last year,
[0:16] Speaker 1: and a whole lot of parents around the nation breathed
[0:18] Speaker 1: the sigh of relief because the job was done right.
[0:22] Speaker 1: Well maybe not, in fact, not even close. On our
[0:25] Speaker 1: doctor's desk episodes of The Happy Family's podcast, we've been
[0:28] Speaker 1: unpicking the latest research showing that it's not working quite
[0:31] Speaker 1: as well as we'd like. My guest today spoke with
[0:35] Speaker 1: hundreds of parents, kids, teachers, psychologists, scientists and experts and
[0:42] Speaker 1: what she found will change how you think about every
[0:46] Speaker 1: screen in your house, particularly the ones that your kids
[0:50] Speaker 1: can see, but maybe even yours as well. Madonna King
[0:53] Speaker 1: has a new book. It's called screen Wise. Madonna is prolific.
[0:56] Speaker 1: She has had a huge impact in the parenting conversation.
[0:59] Speaker 1: This is another part of the conversation that every parent
[1:03] Speaker 1: needs to hear. Stay with us Madonna King on the
[1:06] Speaker 1: pod next. This is the Happy Family's podcast, where you
[1:11] Speaker 1: get real parenting solutions every single day. It's Astralia's most
[1:13] Speaker 1: downloaded parenting podcast. My name's doctor Justin Coulson. I'm a
[1:17] Speaker 1: dad's six kids and an author of a bunch of books,
[1:19] Speaker 1: although I don't think I've written as many books as
[1:21] Speaker 1: Madonna King. Madonna King is an award winning journalist, commentator
[1:24] Speaker 1: and author whose work gives voice to Australian tweens and teens.
[1:27] Speaker 1: Her best selling parenting books include Being Fourteen Tenager Fathers
[1:33] Speaker 1: and Daughters, Oh Saving Our Kids Which Blew My Mind,
[1:38] Speaker 1: and Out of the Box, which she co authored with
[1:40] Speaker 1: another friend of ours, Rebecca Sparrow a little while back.
[1:43] Speaker 1: One of the things that I love about Madonna is
[1:45] Speaker 1: she doesn't position herself as an expert. Rather she positions
[1:49] Speaker 1: as well. She is a reporter, a journalist, and she
[1:52] Speaker 1: sits down and talks with experts and then creates what
[1:56] Speaker 1: we need to know from what they've shared with her.
[1:59] Speaker 1: Madonna's latest book is called screen Wise, Take Back Control
[2:03] Speaker 1: of Screen Time for Toddlers to Teens. It's being built
[2:06] Speaker 1: as the first comprehensive guide to raising kids in the
[2:08] Speaker 1: age of AI, social media and digital life. And I'm
[2:12] Speaker 1: so glad that the book's been written now because we've
[2:14] Speaker 1: got the social media ban in place. AI is blooming
[2:18] Speaker 1: everywhere and it feels like we're at this really amazing
[2:21] Speaker 1: tipping point. Madonna, so glad that you're on the pod today.
[2:24] Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
[2:26] Speaker 2: Thanks Justin.
[2:27] Speaker 1: I know that was a long intro, but you've done
[2:28] Speaker 1: so much and I just wanted to know how amazing
[2:31] Speaker 1: you've been. Let's crack straight into it. You've spent well
[2:36] Speaker 1: over a year researching deeply into this book. You actually
[2:39] Speaker 1: mostly wrote the book and then scrapped it because of
[2:41] Speaker 1: the new legislation. You've rewritten it. If I was to
[2:47] Speaker 1: just ask you what scares you the most? I don't
[2:50] Speaker 1: want to lean into fear too much, but we really
[2:52] Speaker 1: do have some problems with screens. Maybe I can rephrase
[2:55] Speaker 1: it rather than what scares you the most? If there
[2:57] Speaker 1: was just one thing that you wish parents knew that
[3:00] Speaker 1: they don't get when it comes to kids and screens,
[3:03] Speaker 1: what would it be?
[3:04] Speaker 3: That we're talking about social media, not screens, and almost
[3:08] Speaker 3: every one of those bad things that we've been warned
[3:11] Speaker 3: against on social media is available in the computer game
[3:15] Speaker 3: you might have given your kid in Ai, which they
[3:18] Speaker 3: are using on the bus on the way to school.
[3:20] Speaker 3: You know, by the time they are thirteen, there will
[3:23] Speaker 3: be almost seventy million data points on them somewhere in
[3:28] Speaker 3: the space. Teens are still on social media, often with
[3:31] Speaker 3: the help of their parent, because the parent has said,
[3:34] Speaker 3: look hold on, I'm the parent here, not the government
[3:37] Speaker 3: or others have thought, well, the government's got this under control.
[3:40] Speaker 3: And I feel as though it's almost disempowered parents a
[3:43] Speaker 3: little bit, and we need to give parents back the
[3:46] Speaker 3: power to make the decision in their home.
[3:50] Speaker 1: I have a question about that. You and I both
[3:52] Speaker 1: travel around the country, we give talks on these topics.
[3:56] Speaker 1: Of all of my topics, this is the one that
[3:59] Speaker 1: I think is my pressing. I think it's the one
[4:01] Speaker 1: that parents need to be the most concerned about, involved in,
[4:04] Speaker 1: and educated on. And yet the apathy around attendance at
[4:09] Speaker 1: my teens, tweens and screens parenting night, it just blows
[4:13] Speaker 1: me away. They're the least well attended. They're the ones
[4:16] Speaker 1: that we market the hardest, and yet they're the least
[4:18] Speaker 1: well attended. Why do you think that is?
[4:21] Speaker 3: Because I think we only pay attention when our child
[4:24] Speaker 3: is in trouble, but often we don't know they are
[4:27] Speaker 3: in trouble. They're doing this in a closed bedroom and
[4:29] Speaker 3: they're not telling us. You know, sextortion is quite rife,
[4:33] Speaker 3: and I use that word conservatively, particularly in boys' schools,
[4:37] Speaker 3: but I don't know of a case where the teen
[4:40] Speaker 3: boy came out of the bedroom and said, Mum, Dad,
[4:43] Speaker 3: I'm in struct They've gone to a teacher, a coach,
[4:46] Speaker 3: a police officer, and it's shame, it's embarrassment.
[4:49] Speaker 2: I feel so sorry.
[4:50] Speaker 3: And you know, boys so much better than me, and
[4:53] Speaker 3: thank you for writing the book you did, But I
[4:56] Speaker 3: feel as though we don't understand it, so we don't
[5:00] Speaker 3: know about it. And one thing I've tried to do
[5:01] Speaker 3: in screen Wise is we talk about chat bots, and
[5:04] Speaker 3: we talk about AI dangers in this and that in headlines,
[5:08] Speaker 3: but we're not talking about little things that are big things.
[5:12] Speaker 3: For example, the fact that I asked three hundred kids
[5:17] Speaker 3: their last use of AI. Three hundred of them. One
[5:20] Speaker 3: of them used it to make gravy. The other two
[5:22] Speaker 3: hundred and ninety nine gave me an example where it
[5:26] Speaker 3: meant they did not have to think to ask a
[5:28] Speaker 3: girl to the semi formal, to ask mom for more
[5:31] Speaker 3: pocket money, to do my homework, to cheat on an exam.
[5:35] Speaker 3: Their honesty was fantastic. But I find that really dangerous
[5:40] Speaker 3: that our children aren't actually thinking if you know what
[5:43] Speaker 3: I mean, or for example, this is going to be
[5:46] Speaker 3: my mancha for the next year.
[5:48] Speaker 2: But we're not talking.
[5:49] Speaker 3: About the role of instant gratification on our kids and
[5:53] Speaker 3: mea kopper, I think as parents, we want to book
[5:56] Speaker 3: our holiday quickly, we want to pick the check out
[5:58] Speaker 3: with no que. But what our children are seeing role
[6:01] Speaker 3: modeled is don't ever wait, and screens are doing that
[6:05] Speaker 3: to the extent that fifteen years ago someone told me
[6:09] Speaker 3: that a plot on a child show might unfold over
[6:12] Speaker 3: ten or fifteen minutes. Now that has to unfold within
[6:15] Speaker 3: seconds to keep a child's interest. In year one and two,
[6:18] Speaker 3: our teachers as seeing meltdowns because children don't get their
[6:22] Speaker 3: own way immediately. What is road rage? It is impatience
[6:27] Speaker 3: while driving. You know, one school took kids out who
[6:30] Speaker 3: suffered anxiety to teach them box breathing. And I'm not
[6:34] Speaker 3: an expert here, but you know in a lot in
[6:37] Speaker 3: two burst out crying because they had thought they'd failed breathing. Now,
[6:43] Speaker 3: if that is not an example of how instant gratification
[6:47] Speaker 3: has rewired all of us, and it is just stolen
[6:53] Speaker 3: joy and time and patience from our children in a
[6:58] Speaker 3: way that I find fright. We've ever seen the word
[7:01] Speaker 3: instant gratification in a headline? No, because chat thoughts are
[7:05] Speaker 3: dangerous are important, and I cover that, But I think
[7:09] Speaker 3: we need to talk about some of these subliminal messages
[7:12] Speaker 3: that may be more dangerous to your child, and we're
[7:15] Speaker 3: not Does that make.
[7:17] Speaker 1: Sense, Madonna? There are so many threads that I want
[7:19] Speaker 1: to pick up on here. I was making those furiously
[7:21] Speaker 1: as you were talking to the technical term, and I'm
[7:24] Speaker 1: sure that you're aware of this is the idea of
[7:26] Speaker 1: cognitive offloading. I don't need to think about it because
[7:29] Speaker 1: the AI can think about it for me. And one
[7:32] Speaker 1: of the challenges that I see. Tell me if you
[7:34] Speaker 1: agree or disagree with my hypothesis is that because we're
[7:38] Speaker 1: so results oriented, let's talk about school. For example, got
[7:41] Speaker 1: to get the job done, got to get the report in,
[7:42] Speaker 1: got to write the essay, got to pass the course.
[7:46] Speaker 1: So education is less about learning in twenty twenty six
[7:52] Speaker 1: and more about results. Therefore, like if I want to
[7:55] Speaker 1: go to the gym and I'm going to take a trolley,
[7:59] Speaker 1: one of those forklift trollies, I can stick that under
[8:02] Speaker 1: the weights machine and I can get it to lift
[8:04] Speaker 1: the weights. The weights get lifted, right, but I'm not
[8:07] Speaker 1: going to get stronger.
[8:08] Speaker 2: I love it.
[8:09] Speaker 1: I love that you were having a sip of your
[8:10] Speaker 1: coffee just as I said that, and you really spok
[8:12] Speaker 1: a coffee.
[8:14] Speaker 3: That is so true. But you know that is one
[8:18] Speaker 3: example of that. What I came across in the same
[8:21] Speaker 3: way is particularly girls, but I'm sure with boys too,
[8:26] Speaker 3: is if they get fourteen out of twenty on a
[8:29] Speaker 3: science examine year six, they decide then and there that
[8:33] Speaker 3: they will not do science in high school because they're not.
[8:36] Speaker 2: A science girl.
[8:37] Speaker 3: I spoke to girls and mums who said that they
[8:41] Speaker 3: believed they shouldn't have to learn by road the Times
[8:44] Speaker 3: table because they should just know it.
[8:46] Speaker 2: And one mother explained to her daughter how.
[8:48] Speaker 3: She put it on the back of a toilet door
[8:50] Speaker 3: when she was young, enchanted it. Her daughter thought that
[8:53] Speaker 3: was bizarre. And we're saying the same thing. You don't
[8:57] Speaker 3: if we didn't understand maths and I struggled, but I
[9:01] Speaker 3: would practice it every day and improved.
[9:05] Speaker 1: Yeah. We're talking about basic resilience here, right, and seeing
[9:07] Speaker 1: a purpose.
[9:08] Speaker 3: In it rich Yeah, yeah, and that is instant gratification.
[9:13] Speaker 3: The need for immediate results is something that I think
[9:17] Speaker 3: is a While it may not have the same immediate
[9:21] Speaker 3: consequences of a sextortion attempt, it is much wider. I
[9:26] Speaker 3: reckon probably ninety percent of every codport is caught up
[9:30] Speaker 3: in it, and it's determining what they end up doing
[9:33] Speaker 3: as a career. It's that their level of anxiety, whether
[9:37] Speaker 3: they're sick on a Sunday night before they go to school,
[9:40] Speaker 3: all those things that just take the joy.
[9:43] Speaker 1: You know.
[9:43] Speaker 3: One pediatrician I took to high a door. He runs
[9:46] Speaker 3: the Boston Wellness clinic, and this kid came into him
[9:49] Speaker 3: and had heard Joni Mitchell's song about you know, castles
[9:53] Speaker 3: in the air and didn't understand what that meant. And
[9:55] Speaker 3: he said, you know how you make formations out of clouds?
[9:59] Speaker 2: The fifteen year old said, I know what you mean.
[10:02] Speaker 3: And he said, we've been so busy modeling, being busy
[10:06] Speaker 3: that just that little idea of lying when you're back
[10:09] Speaker 3: on a trampoline on the grass and making you know, a.
[10:12] Speaker 2: Palican out of a cloud.
[10:13] Speaker 3: When you teach us close out of the cloud no
[10:16] Speaker 3: longer exists. We get into a lift and we look
[10:18] Speaker 3: at our mobile phone. So our children don't learn the
[10:23] Speaker 3: importance of patients of being bored, which can actually lead
[10:27] Speaker 3: to creativity if you like. And I think we're saying
[10:30] Speaker 3: the same thing, but don't you think that's a really
[10:33] Speaker 3: dangerous societal trend that we've got to stop today.
[10:39] Speaker 1: I love the reframe. When I give my presentations, I
[10:41] Speaker 1: do tend to focus on those bigger things, and this
[10:43] Speaker 1: reframe has got me sitting here really thinking deeply about
[10:47] Speaker 1: the importance of shifting back to the basics as profound.
[10:52] Speaker 1: After break, Madonna, I want to talk about how you
[10:54] Speaker 1: wind it back. I mean, there are so many parents
[10:56] Speaker 1: who're just going, I've squeezed the toothpased out of the tube.
[10:59] Speaker 1: I can't get it back here, And what do I do?
[11:00] Speaker 1: You write?
[11:01] Speaker 2: We can get it back in.
[11:02] Speaker 1: You're you're right about that in the book. I want
[11:04] Speaker 1: to unpack that just a little bit. And I've also
[11:07] Speaker 1: got a couple of other questions for you. It's coming
[11:08] Speaker 1: up next to stay with us. We're back in the
[11:18] Speaker 1: Happy Families podcasts where you get real pairing solutions every
[11:20] Speaker 1: single day. Madonna King is my guest today. We're talking about, well,
[11:24] Speaker 1: you know what we're talking about, because you've been listening
[11:25] Speaker 1: to podcast so far already. We're talking about her brand
[11:28] Speaker 1: new book, which is called screen Wise Take Back Control
[11:31] Speaker 1: of screen Time for Toddlers to Teens, Madonna, here's my
[11:34] Speaker 1: question for you. Setting limits from day one is one thing,
[11:39] Speaker 1: and that's the easiest way to do it. But most
[11:43] Speaker 1: people who are listening to this podcast are well passed
[11:45] Speaker 1: that the gate's been open, the horse is shot through it.
[11:48] Speaker 1: The thirteen year olds had a phone for two years.
[11:50] Speaker 1: The fourteen year old's been on social media well before
[11:52] Speaker 1: the band came in and is not giving it up.
[11:56] Speaker 1: You're right about resetting boundaries, and you're quite emphatic that
[11:58] Speaker 1: you can. What does that look like without declares ar
[12:00] Speaker 1: war on your child?
[12:01] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you can. We should never give up hope.
[12:04] Speaker 3: So I think you look at what is the issue
[12:06] Speaker 3: in your house. Let's say it's instant gratification, and then
[12:09] Speaker 3: you think of strategies.
[12:10] Speaker 2: And in the book I give tips at the end
[12:12] Speaker 2: of each chapter.
[12:13] Speaker 3: But with instant gratification, it is not actually binging on
[12:17] Speaker 3: the ted Lasso series over two nights, say all right,
[12:21] Speaker 3: every Thursday after.
[12:22] Speaker 2: School, we're going to do it.
[12:24] Speaker 3: It's teaching your child to save rather than spend the
[12:28] Speaker 3: shoes for the formal we've seen the ones we want,
[12:31] Speaker 3: but let's wait till Saturday week and go and get them.
[12:36] Speaker 3: Let's pick the line at the checkout where there are
[12:38] Speaker 3: three in front of us, and actually talk while we
[12:42] Speaker 3: do it. So it's actually finding those little things in
[12:45] Speaker 3: life that just reset your child's brain, whether they're seventeen
[12:49] Speaker 3: or seven, so that waiting is not a bad thing.
[12:54] Speaker 3: It may be playing a board game or watching a
[12:58] Speaker 3: cake bake. It's little things that where the key is waiting,
[13:05] Speaker 3: And every psychologist, every scientist I talk about talk to
[13:09] Speaker 3: say those things can make measurable differences to how our
[13:14] Speaker 3: child then sees patients, which then leads to persistent script
[13:18] Speaker 3: and confidence.
[13:19] Speaker 1: A quick personal story maybe a month and a half
[13:22] Speaker 1: ago on the pod, we started talking about the importance
[13:24] Speaker 1: of grandma hobbies and my youngest daughter, Emily, who is twelve.
[13:29] Speaker 1: We've essentially cut her off from screens almost completely. Now.
[13:33] Speaker 1: There was just too much bending of the rules, there
[13:36] Speaker 1: was too much sneaky behavior. We just got jack of
[13:39] Speaker 1: it and we said we're just going to stop screens.
[13:41] Speaker 1: And she was pretty upset, like we were the worst
[13:43] Speaker 1: parents in the world for a couple of weeks, and
[13:46] Speaker 1: then one day she was just like, Okay, I get it, Madonna.
[13:50] Speaker 1: We started doing some sewing. Well, when I say we,
[13:53] Speaker 1: Kylie did. Yeah, yeah, I'm taking credit for it. But
[13:57] Speaker 1: Kylie started doing some sewing, and we've just seen a
[14:00] Speaker 1: different child as we've walked back the screen usage grandma
[14:06] Speaker 1: hobbies seem to have turned her into just the most
[14:10] Speaker 1: delightful child after we started to deal with some substantial challenges.
[14:14] Speaker 1: My guess is that's kind of the direction you're heading.
[14:16] Speaker 3: Absolutely, and going on that one of the things I've suggested.
[14:20] Speaker 3: And don't yell at me here. I know that you
[14:22] Speaker 3: never would. But bringing back the family dinner, now, I
[14:25] Speaker 3: know not everyone can do that, and the family dinner
[14:27] Speaker 3: in every house is different, and often with two parents working.
[14:30] Speaker 3: But that idea of sancty kids. Look, I don't get
[14:33] Speaker 3: to talk to enough Mia Kopper one night or one.
[14:37] Speaker 2: Day a week.
[14:38] Speaker 3: At first, let's do something, and let's say it's dinner.
[14:41] Speaker 3: Someone does the theme, someone picks the recipe, someone does
[14:44] Speaker 3: the cooking. It doesn't matter if it's Japanese on the back,
[14:46] Speaker 3: veranda a sausage and mashed potato that the ten year old.
[14:50] Speaker 2: Cooks the music. But you put your phone.
[14:53] Speaker 3: Where they are, and no one makes an appointment for
[14:56] Speaker 3: that time. I think, you know, those little things have
[14:59] Speaker 3: just steer billing back what screens have taken from us.
[15:03] Speaker 3: You know, our kids, they are so clever. I interviewed
[15:06] Speaker 3: three hundred of them. One said to me, you know,
[15:09] Speaker 3: why would I do this when mummy's downstairs on the
[15:13] Speaker 3: lounge on Facebook. She doesn't even hear me speak.
[15:17] Speaker 1: Our modeling, our modeling. It's the last thing I always
[15:19] Speaker 1: finished with my presentation because they're seeing us do it,
[15:22] Speaker 1: so why would they be any different?
[15:24] Speaker 2: Yep, monkey see monkey do.
[15:26] Speaker 3: And you know there's one recipiece of research I use
[15:30] Speaker 3: in the book where in two thousand playground accidents, in
[15:34] Speaker 3: one third of them, the parent was on a mobile phone.
[15:37] Speaker 3: End of story. It says it all, really, doesn't it.
[15:40] Speaker 3: But you know, our kids are so clever. They're gorgeous.
[15:43] Speaker 3: And one fifteen year old boys said to me, you know,
[15:45] Speaker 3: we brought in this social media ban on the eve
[15:48] Speaker 3: of Christmas. Our school was breaking up, but no one
[15:51] Speaker 3: talked to us about other things we can do. And
[15:54] Speaker 3: I thought that was a very interesting public policy comment,
[15:58] Speaker 3: wasn't it that you know they want our help and
[16:01] Speaker 3: they're not sure how to do it. And that's why
[16:04] Speaker 3: I would say, you know, to parents, we've got to
[16:07] Speaker 3: learn what we don't know. If there's one thing I
[16:10] Speaker 3: want people to remember is right now, if your child
[16:14] Speaker 3: is about thirteen, there are about seventy million things about
[16:19] Speaker 3: them online, their likes and dislikes, and they're only thirteen.
[16:23] Speaker 1: It's not like they've spent their life what will They
[16:25] Speaker 1: kind of have spent their life online but dinner. It's
[16:27] Speaker 1: not like their adults. With seventy million.
[16:29] Speaker 3: Data points, algorithms are such that it is known whether
[16:33] Speaker 3: they watched a movie to the credits or they watched
[16:36] Speaker 3: it to the fourteenth minute. And their friend may have
[16:39] Speaker 3: been different, which is why they sent different influences on
[16:42] Speaker 3: their social media accounts. They know what school bus they catch,
[16:46] Speaker 3: where it stops, their name of their dog. Parents really
[16:49] Speaker 3: want their children to grow up kind and curious and clever,
[16:53] Speaker 3: and yet we're risking that by allowing strangers and baddies.
[17:00] Speaker 3: I think schools too. As schools continue to put pictures
[17:03] Speaker 3: of children in uniform on public sites, they are risking
[17:07] Speaker 3: their welfare. And I think let's not wait until this
[17:12] Speaker 3: is part of our narrative to fix it it's not a
[17:14] Speaker 3: government's job, it is not a school's job. It's a
[17:17] Speaker 3: parent's job, and we shouldn't let anyone take it off us.
[17:20] Speaker 1: Madonna, I just I love your work. I'm so grateful
[17:22] Speaker 1: for what you do and the commitment that you have
[17:24] Speaker 1: to it. You do such a work. You're very kind
[17:27] Speaker 1: and generous. Thank you. The book is called screen Wise.
[17:30] Speaker 1: It's available now, jump online or go go to a bookstore,
[17:35] Speaker 1: get face to face with somebody, smile at them when
[17:37] Speaker 1: you purchase the book. And both Madonna and I honestly
[17:42] Speaker 1: beg you not because this is going to put an
[17:44] Speaker 1: extra three dollars into Madonna's bank account because you brought
[17:46] Speaker 1: a book. Because you don't make a lot of money
[17:48] Speaker 1: from books. We write these books because we care about you,
[17:51] Speaker 1: and we care about your kids. And the apathy around
[17:55] Speaker 1: kids and screens or the hands up in the air
[17:57] Speaker 1: and it's too hard around kids and screens. It has
[18:00] Speaker 1: to change, and it changes when you grab a book
[18:02] Speaker 1: like this and inform yourself, educate yourself, and start to
[18:05] Speaker 1: talk to the kids about it. Madonna, I so appreciate
[18:07] Speaker 1: your work. Thank you for joining me for this conversation today.
[18:10] Speaker 1: It's a really such an important one.
[18:12] Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
[18:13] Speaker 1: The book will be linked in the show notes screenwise,
[18:17] Speaker 1: you can google it, you can click on the show notes.
[18:19] Speaker 1: It will make a difference in your life. I have
[18:22] Speaker 1: absolutely no doubt about it at all. The Happy Families
[18:24] Speaker 1: podcast sound and audio engineering by Justin Ruland from Bridge Media.
[18:28] Speaker 1: Mim Hammonds looks after I admin and additional support. If
[18:31] Speaker 1: you'd like more info to make your family happier, check
[18:33] Speaker 1: out Madonna's work and also have a look at Happy
[18:36] Speaker 1: families dot com dot a

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