# How to Ruin a Child \[with Richard Glover\]

An episode of [Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1082244480), 11 Oct 2026, 19 min.

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What if some of the parenting advice you’ve been given was completely wrong? Richard Glover has spent years digging through Australian parenting manuals, government advice and expert recommendations from the past 100 years. What he found is funny, disturbing and surprisingly reassuring. From being told not to cuddle a crying baby to warnings that praise would make children arrogant, Richard reveals how generations of parents were taught to ignore their instincts. He also explains why looking back at parenting history can help us stop chasing every new expert theory and trust ourselves a little more. KEY POINTS • Why parents were once told not to cuddle crying babies • How government parenting advice shaped generations of Australian families • Why harsh parenting keeps coming back in new forms • What history can teach us about today's parenting trends • Why parents can be more forgiving of their own childhood experiences • The simple things children actually need: love, stability and age-appropriate limits QUOTE OF THE EPISODE “Children need stability, a sense of order, a sense of rules, and they need a lot of love.” RESOURCES MENTIONED How to Ruin a Child by Richard Glover ACTION STEPS FOR PARENTS • Be wary of extreme parenting advice that promises one perfect way to raise children. • Trust your instincts when something feels wrong. • Give your children clear, age-appropriate boundaries alongside plenty of love. • Remember that you don't have to get parenting perfect to raise a perfectly decent human being. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Hello, this is the Happy Families podcast. So good of
[0:08] Speaker 1: you to join us for another week. Don't comfort a
[0:10] Speaker 1: crying baby. It's the last thing they need is to
[0:12] Speaker 1: pick them up and give them a hug when they're crying.
[0:14] Speaker 1: Certainly don't reward any bad behavior with any kind of
[0:18] Speaker 1: attention at all. Never praise your children. They will get
[0:20] Speaker 1: tickets on themselves. For most of the last couple of centuries,
[0:24] Speaker 1: this is what experts have told Australian parents, both here
[0:28] Speaker 1: in this country and around the world. Richard Glover has
[0:32] Speaker 1: read all of them. He's literally sat in the State
[0:34] Speaker 1: Library of New South Wales and gone through just about
[0:36] Speaker 1: every document ever written that contains parenting advice for the
[0:40] Speaker 1: last 100, 150 years. And his brand new book, which
[0:42] Speaker 1: has been out for a couple of weeks now, How
[0:44] Speaker 1: to Ruin a Child, is delightful. It's hilarious. It's also
[0:49] Speaker 1: horrifying in equal measure. But the backstory is the most
[0:52] Speaker 1: interesting part to me. Richard grew up with a mother
[0:54] Speaker 1: who invented her own past and a father who was absent,
[1:00] Speaker 1: barely showed up. So today we're asking, how did he
[1:03] Speaker 1: turn out? What did he do differently with his own kids?
[1:07] Speaker 1: And is that why he needed to write a parenting
[1:09] Speaker 1: book about all of the world's worst parenting advice that
[1:11] Speaker 1: Australian parents have been given for 100 plus years? Find
[1:15] Speaker 1: out more in this fascinating conversation next. So good of
[1:21] Speaker 1: you to join us on the Happy Families podcast, where
[1:23] Speaker 1: you get real parenting solutions every single day. My name's Dr.
[1:25] Speaker 1: Justin Coulson. This is Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast. Today
[1:28] Speaker 1: I'm joined by somebody who I have listened to on
[1:30] Speaker 1: the radio for literally decades, Richard Glover. If you're not
[1:34] Speaker 1: from Sydney, you may not be completely familiar with him,
[1:37] Speaker 1: but I think most of the country knows Richard because
[1:39] Speaker 1: of his writing and his radio. One of Australia's best-loved writers, broadcasters.
[1:43] Speaker 1: For years, he hosted ABC Radio Sydney's Drive program. He
[1:48] Speaker 1: wrote a weekly humour column in the Sydney Morning Herald
[1:51] Speaker 1: for a couple of decades, I think, and has also
[1:54] Speaker 1: written for overseas publications. And he's got this bestseller that
[1:57] Speaker 1: came out a couple of years ago called The Land
[1:58] Speaker 1: Before Avocado. Also, an incredible book called Flesh Wounds, which
[2:02] Speaker 1: was voted one of the year's top five books by
[2:06] Speaker 1: viewers of ABC TV's The Book Club and won Biography
[2:09] Speaker 1: of the Year in the Reader's Choice category at the
[2:11] Speaker 1: 2016 Australian Book Industry Awards. I could keep on going,
[2:15] Speaker 1: but let's wrap it up with this. He lives in
[2:18] Speaker 1: Sydney with the screenwriter and author Deborah Oswald. Richard, thanks
[2:21] Speaker 1: for being on the podcast. I'm feeling a little bit
[2:24] Speaker 1: nervous having you on here because of your incredible background
[2:27] Speaker 1: in history. Thanks for being here.
[2:29] Speaker 2: Don't be insane. I'm very pleased to be on the podcast.
[2:32] Speaker 2: This seems like a chapter from history, I know, but
[2:35] Speaker 2: I think it's a message for parents now because every
[2:39] Speaker 2: single mad bit of advice you come across on Instagram
[2:42] Speaker 2: or YouTube or anything like that, and you think, this
[2:46] Speaker 2: is insane, but it might be the thing I need
[2:48] Speaker 2: to help me right now. If you're see it through
[2:51] Speaker 2: the lens of history, you'll know that all these strange
[2:54] Speaker 2: ideas have been tried before, usually in about 1920, and
[2:59] Speaker 2: usually have proved total failures. And what parents need to
[3:03] Speaker 2: do is trust themselves and understand that nearly all good
[3:08] Speaker 2: parenting happens in this large forgiving zone between all these
[3:13] Speaker 2: weird and wacky ideas. And the result is usually a
[3:16] Speaker 2: perfectly decent human being. So I hope it's a reassuring
[3:20] Speaker 2: book for parents now. You mentioned flesh wounds. I also
[3:24] Speaker 2: think part of the reason I wrote the book is
[3:26] Speaker 2: to think about the parenting I received. And one of
[3:31] Speaker 2: the things about the lens of history is that you
[3:33] Speaker 2: become a bit more forgiving of your own parents because
[3:37] Speaker 2: you realize, for my generation, there were loving parents around,
[3:41] Speaker 2: I'm sure. But a lot of parents were a little
[3:43] Speaker 2: bit stitched up, a little bit not wanting to touch
[3:47] Speaker 2: or cuddle their children. They certainly, the generation of parents
[3:51] Speaker 2: I grew up with, they certainly didn't like praising their children.
[3:54] Speaker 2: They thought it was really wrong to give a child
[3:57] Speaker 2: any praise at all. And you can feel embittered about
[4:00] Speaker 2: all this and, why did they do this to poor
[4:02] Speaker 2: little me? But again, if you read the history, you'll
[4:06] Speaker 2: realize they were just following orders, actually. And the orders
[4:09] Speaker 2: came not only from specialist books, but they came from
[4:12] Speaker 2: government departments and baby health centers. And it was absolutely
[4:16] Speaker 2: the universal language of parenting really up until about 1980
[4:20] Speaker 2: in this country was babies should cry. It's their form
[4:24] Speaker 2: of exercise. You shouldn't cuddle them. It'll turn them into
[4:28] Speaker 2: sport little tyrants for life. Don't feed them on demand.
[4:33] Speaker 2: Feed them by the clock and don't ever praise them.
[4:36] Speaker 2: because that will, you know, they'll really go mad then
[4:39] Speaker 2: and they'll get tickets. The phrase you use, they'll get
[4:42] Speaker 2: tickets on themselves. And it's sort of, it's relieving in
[4:45] Speaker 2: a way to understand that this was a very common thing.
[4:48] Speaker 2: Parents exercised it to different degrees, but it was a
[4:51] Speaker 2: very common thing. And so understand it, feel more forgiving
[4:57] Speaker 2: towards your own parents, understand a bit more about how
[5:00] Speaker 2: you were brought up and how it fitted the cultural
[5:03] Speaker 2: norms of the time. And if you're a parent right
[5:05] Speaker 2: now or a grandparent right now, don't listen to the
[5:08] Speaker 2: mad voices suggesting weird theories.
[5:13] Speaker 1: Let's set the scene. What year were you born?
[5:14] Speaker 2: I was born in 1958. Okay.
[5:17] Speaker 1: So your parents would have been born in the 1930s.
[5:20] Speaker 1: So we're going back about 100 years or thereabouts. When
[5:24] Speaker 1: I think about all of the things that you've described there,
[5:28] Speaker 1: and I think about parents today, There are a couple
[5:30] Speaker 1: of things that stand out to me. The first is this.
[5:32] Speaker 1: 1958 is the year that Webster's Dictionary put the word
[5:35] Speaker 1: parenting in as a word. Until 1958, there was no
[5:39] Speaker 1: technical word parenting. That would be like me saying, hey,
[5:42] Speaker 1: how's the wifing going? How's the husbanding going? It was
[5:45] Speaker 1: a noun, not a verb. But parenting as a word
[5:48] Speaker 1: didn't really come into common use until well into the 60s,
[5:51] Speaker 1: even the 70s. The word playdate didn't even exist until 1984.
[5:55] Speaker 1: Do you think that parents were as caught up in
[6:00] Speaker 1: being good parents then as they are today.
[6:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely do. I mean, they didn't use it
[6:05] Speaker 2: as a verb, that's true, but they talked about scientific
[6:08] Speaker 2: mothering and scientific parenting and their view about scientific was
[6:13] Speaker 2: that you didn't touch the child and you didn't cuddle
[6:15] Speaker 2: the child. And they very much believe that you should
[6:19] Speaker 2: sort of try to discipline yourself against your natural urge
[6:23] Speaker 2: to cuddle the child. The good mother, said Truby King,
[6:28] Speaker 2: refuses to give in to that desire to give a
[6:31] Speaker 2: child snuggling warmth. It's so weird that he uses such
[6:34] Speaker 2: a tender phrase when he's trying to say, don't do it.
[6:39] Speaker 2: So yeah, I think they did take it seriously. So
[6:41] Speaker 2: a lot of this advice is in the official government,
[6:44] Speaker 2: Queensland government, New South Wales government, Victoria, they're handing out
[6:46] Speaker 2: these official guidebooks free to every single parent. So millions
[6:51] Speaker 2: of people have been given these books and they're very strict.
[6:54] Speaker 2: And the reason I've got the title of How to
[6:56] Speaker 2: Ruin a Child is that they all say, do it
[6:58] Speaker 2: this way or you will ruin the child. Cuddle them
[7:01] Speaker 2: once and you'll ruin the child. Feed them on demand
[7:05] Speaker 2: and you'll ruin the child. And I think some people
[7:07] Speaker 2: follow the advice very strictly and Other people break the
[7:11] Speaker 2: advice and then feel terribly guilty about it. I mean,
[7:14] Speaker 2: almost whatever, however people react, there's this sort of big
[7:17] Speaker 2: impact of the advice. And I do think they try
[7:20] Speaker 2: to take it seriously. I mean, there was a lot
[7:23] Speaker 2: of humor in this book, I hope. There's a lot
[7:25] Speaker 2: of pain in it too. The country, it seems to me,
[7:27] Speaker 2: is full of babies screaming their hearts out on one
[7:31] Speaker 2: side of a closed door and a mother screaming on
[7:34] Speaker 2: the other side of the closed door, also crying because
[7:38] Speaker 2: she wants to feed that crying baby. She wants to
[7:40] Speaker 2: cuddle that crying baby. And yet she'd been told in
[7:43] Speaker 2: such a fierce way that it would be wrong. They
[7:48] Speaker 2: named Edith Lyons, no less, who was the first woman
[7:51] Speaker 2: elected to the House of Reps, wife of the Prime Minister,
[7:54] Speaker 2: Jo Lyons, first woman in Cabinet. She followed these rules.
[7:59] Speaker 2: She had 12 children, which is a lot of crying
[8:02] Speaker 2: to ignore. Yeah. And she wrote later about how upset
[8:05] Speaker 2: she was in reflecting on it. She believed she'd caused
[8:08] Speaker 2: at least one of those children permanent harm by following
[8:12] Speaker 2: these dreadful rules. I think things happen in Australia a
[8:16] Speaker 2: little later than they happen elsewhere. I think it really
[8:19] Speaker 2: is in about late 70s from early 80s that things
[8:24] Speaker 2: radically change and then there's this great liberal period where
[8:28] Speaker 2: children got spocked when they should have got spanked, as
[8:31] Speaker 2: one person said. But then the conservatives came back. And
[8:35] Speaker 2: so there's this really interesting tussle between these groups. And
[8:39] Speaker 2: they've all got these very strong, fierce ideas with the
[8:43] Speaker 2: poor parents, in a way, stuck in the middle of it,
[8:46] Speaker 2: trying to understand who to ignore and who to accept.
[8:50] Speaker 2: And everyone bullying them about their own natural instincts, which
[8:54] Speaker 2: are usually pretty good.
[9:02] Speaker 1: Today I'm joined by somebody who I have listened to
[9:04] Speaker 1: on the radio for literally decades, Richard Glover. He's literally
[9:08] Speaker 1: sat in the State Library of New South Wales and
[9:10] Speaker 1: gone through just about every document ever written that contains
[9:14] Speaker 1: parenting advice for the last 100, 150 years. And his
[9:16] Speaker 1: brand new book, which has been out for a couple
[9:18] Speaker 1: of weeks now, How to Ruin a Child. It's hilarious.
[9:21] Speaker 1: It's also horrifying in equal measure. I read the book
[9:25] Speaker 1: and I literally read the whole thing. And even though
[9:28] Speaker 1: I've written a book where I've gone into the history
[9:30] Speaker 1: of parenting, what was considered good parenting advice, but was
[9:34] Speaker 1: really either reckless or harmful. And I just was consistently
[9:38] Speaker 1: shaking my head and thinking about this. And yet some
[9:42] Speaker 1: of the organizations that were founded on the principles from
[9:45] Speaker 1: these parenting experts still exist and thrive in Australia today.
[9:50] Speaker 1: They're still taking parents in who are feeling lost and
[9:54] Speaker 1: struggling and dispensing arguably much of the same advice that
[9:58] Speaker 1: was terrible 120 years ago and is even more terrible today.
[10:01] Speaker 2: Well, certainly the internet is full of, you know, it's
[10:06] Speaker 2: a vulgar acronym, so I won't use it. But, you know,
[10:09] Speaker 2: there's one, you know, quite popular thing at the moment
[10:12] Speaker 2: on American Insta and YouTube where it's basically just this
[10:16] Speaker 2: really harsh platform If you cross the line, you'll find
[10:20] Speaker 2: out is the non-rude way of saying it. But, you know,
[10:24] Speaker 2: it's full of little videos people make of locking, you know,
[10:27] Speaker 2: toddlers out the front door and getting a teenager's iPad
[10:31] Speaker 2: and throwing it out the second floor window and smashing
[10:34] Speaker 2: it and say, well, I told you. Running over video.
[10:37] Speaker 1: Games with a lawnmower, that kind of thing.
[10:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there are all these people commenting saying, oh,
[10:41] Speaker 2: this is marvellous. So, again, the lens of history is
[10:44] Speaker 2: helpful because, This sort of harsh parenting has been tried
[10:48] Speaker 2: lots of times and nearly all the time, 20 or
[10:51] Speaker 2: 30 years later, people really regret that they did it.
[10:56] Speaker 2: And there's something reassuring about the idea that's been tried
[11:01] Speaker 2: before and found to be wanting.
[11:03] Speaker 1: Something that you may not know about me, Richard, is
[11:06] Speaker 1: that I do this because I was a bad parent.
[11:08] Speaker 1: So my wife and I had our first couple of kids.
[11:11] Speaker 1: Our three-nature wouldn't go to sleep one day. I absolutely
[11:14] Speaker 1: lost the plot, did all the wrong things. My grandmother
[11:16] Speaker 1: once chased me and told me that I was very
[11:17] Speaker 1: hard and I responded with pride and said, you need
[11:20] Speaker 1: to be, otherwise they'll wrap you around their little finger
[11:23] Speaker 1: and there's no getting away from them. So I really
[11:26] Speaker 1: believed that my children would be different because I was
[11:28] Speaker 1: going to be harsh and punitive. And one day that
[11:31] Speaker 1: harshness and punitive caught up or my conscience caught up
[11:34] Speaker 1: with the harshness and the punitive way that I was
[11:36] Speaker 1: dealing with the kids. And that led to me leaving
[11:38] Speaker 1: a radio career. going back to school and spending eight
[11:41] Speaker 1: and a half consecutive years of full-time studies before I
[11:44] Speaker 1: could get the qualifications that I gained. And after I
[11:47] Speaker 1: did some university work, I started doing public parenting work
[11:51] Speaker 1: because it had turned my family around. The regret, the pain,
[11:55] Speaker 1: you described it so well at the start of the conversation,
[11:56] Speaker 1: but that's literally why I do what I do. So
[12:00] Speaker 1: I want to hit you with a quick lightning round,
[12:01] Speaker 1: just five very fast, you know how lightning round works.
[12:04] Speaker 1: You've been on the radio for long enough. You know
[12:06] Speaker 1: exactly the deal. One sentence answers and no elaboration required.
[12:10] Speaker 1: It's always unfair and it's always fun. I'm going to
[12:14] Speaker 1: start with one that's all about me. I read the
[12:16] Speaker 1: book and then I blurbed the book, talking about how
[12:19] Speaker 1: you knew what you were talking about in the book.
[12:21] Speaker 1: And my final words were, trust me, I'm an expert.
[12:24] Speaker 1: Based on the fact that this whole book is all
[12:26] Speaker 1: about how the experts were wrong, how much should my
[12:29] Speaker 1: podcast listeners trust me?
[12:31] Speaker 2: Nearly all the early experts had no children of their own.
[12:35] Speaker 2: You and Carly have six, which I think is overdoing
[12:39] Speaker 2: it when it comes to the coalface.
[12:42] Speaker 1: All right. Some other lightning round questions that are not
[12:44] Speaker 1: about me. What's a phrase that your parents used that
[12:48] Speaker 1: you swore you never would say, but all of a
[12:51] Speaker 1: sudden there was your mother in your larynx? She popped
[12:53] Speaker 1: out and said it to your kids.
[12:55] Speaker 2: Eat your dinner. Eat your greens. And I still say
[12:58] Speaker 2: it to my grandchildren. Eat them. One more. And I
[13:01] Speaker 2: know parenting experts say don't do this, but one more
[13:03] Speaker 2: bit of broccoli and we can leave the table.
[13:05] Speaker 1: What's one piece of terrible historical advice that you secretly
[13:12] Speaker 1: think probably had a point?
[13:14] Speaker 2: They talk about the dummy, you know, the use of
[13:16] Speaker 2: the dummy in the most fierce terms. And, you know, again,
[13:20] Speaker 2: this is the government guidebook. They tell you if you
[13:23] Speaker 2: do it, you will kill the child. And they've got
[13:25] Speaker 2: little illustrations of the flies landing on the dummy. And
[13:28] Speaker 2: then it says in big print, again, this is in
[13:29] Speaker 2: the government guidebook handed out to every mother. It says
[13:32] Speaker 2: the fly, the child's enemy. the undertaker's friend. I think
[13:38] Speaker 2: the language is terrible. It is. But still, probably if
[13:43] Speaker 2: you're trying to establish breastfeeding, you know, you could give
[13:46] Speaker 2: the dummy a rest.
[13:48] Speaker 1: What Richard is, and this is a personal question, but
[13:53] Speaker 1: hopefully we can have some fun with it. What's the
[13:56] Speaker 1: worst thing that you did as a parent that probably
[13:59] Speaker 1: would have made those 1950s experts proud?
[14:02] Speaker 2: Look, I don't think we were overly harsh. We did
[14:08] Speaker 2: take our one-year-old to England for a year and lived
[14:12] Speaker 2: in the southeast of England with eight children. Right. It
[14:17] Speaker 2: was at that time. I was the correspondent for the
[14:21] Speaker 2: Sydney Morning Herald there, and you'd go to these beautiful
[14:25] Speaker 2: English country pubs with the dogs sleeping in front of
[14:28] Speaker 2: the fireplace, and you'd go in there as a tiny
[14:30] Speaker 2: little family, and you'd be ushered through this warm, snug,
[14:33] Speaker 2: fabulous room into literally a garden tin shed at the back.
[14:38] Speaker 2: Because you brought your child. You and another sort of poor,
[14:42] Speaker 2: benighted English family would be served there, the bangers and mash.
[14:50] Speaker 2: in some ill-ventilated, ill-lit and ill-heated shed.
[14:56] Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of feels like some snotty cafes today, honestly. But, hey,
[15:00] Speaker 1: last one. How would your mother have reviewed this book?
[15:04] Speaker 2: Oh, I think she'd say, I was right about the ears, darling. Right.
[15:08] Speaker 1: Oh, fantastic. Fantastic. There are so many more questions that
[15:14] Speaker 1: I'd love to ask you, both about the book and
[15:16] Speaker 1: about your life and your radio career and the work
[15:19] Speaker 1: that you've done in so many of your other books
[15:22] Speaker 1: that have been so highly praised. But our time is
[15:25] Speaker 1: more than gone. So let me wrap up with just
[15:29] Speaker 1: one final question, Richard. You highlight that the conclusion that
[15:33] Speaker 1: you've come to is that parenting is tough no matter
[15:37] Speaker 1: how you're doing it, no matter when you're doing it,
[15:39] Speaker 1: no matter where you're doing it. And the outcome, in
[15:42] Speaker 1: your words, is I think you said it is a
[15:44] Speaker 1: perfectly fine human most of the time. So as the
[15:48] Speaker 1: man who has read every bad manual ever printed, every
[15:53] Speaker 1: newspaper article, every government tracked on this and survived your
[15:58] Speaker 1: own what I would call precarious childhood, what's the one
[16:02] Speaker 1: piece of advice that that you would stand behind regardless
[16:05] Speaker 1: of the day, the date, the era, the family? What's
[16:08] Speaker 1: the one piece of parenting advice that matters more than any?
[16:12] Speaker 2: Can I sort of make it two? It's one sentence
[16:14] Speaker 2: with a sub. Of course.
[16:16] Speaker 1: I do that all the time myself.
[16:17] Speaker 2: Go for it. Look, I think, you know, children need stability,
[16:24] Speaker 2: a sense of order, a sense of rules, and they
[16:27] Speaker 2: need a lot of love. That's all. That's all. They
[16:32] Speaker 2: do need some rules, age appropriate. Of course, toddlers can
[16:35] Speaker 2: manipulate parents. Of course, they can when there's ice cream involved.
[16:39] Speaker 2: But the idea of the manipulative child starts in all
[16:43] Speaker 2: this writing very early. The official guidebook says don't respond
[16:48] Speaker 2: to a child's crying by cuddling them or they'll grow
[16:54] Speaker 2: up thinking they can manipulate you. Well, four-day-old babies cannot
[16:59] Speaker 2: manipulate you. It doesn't work like that. And the idea
[17:03] Speaker 2: that parents were so consistently told this for so many
[17:06] Speaker 2: decades and then believed it and acted upon it is
[17:10] Speaker 2: kind of one of the great tragedies, I think, of
[17:13] Speaker 2: the last century or two. And it's worth recording this
[17:16] Speaker 2: history and realizing that we shouldn't repeat it.
[17:20] Speaker 1: I wish we had more time. How to Ruin a Child,
[17:24] Speaker 1: Richard Glover. The book is available now. There's a lot
[17:27] Speaker 1: of work that goes into writing a book and it's
[17:28] Speaker 1: really hard to sell books, but good books should be bought.
[17:31] Speaker 1: So if you've enjoyed this conversation, please go out and
[17:35] Speaker 1: grab a copy from a bookstore or from online, How
[17:37] Speaker 1: to Ruin a Child by Richard Glover. It's heartbreaking, it's poignant,
[17:41] Speaker 1: but it's also so uplifting and so helpful. And ultimately,
[17:45] Speaker 1: like you said, Richard, the parenting advice from the parenting
[17:48] Speaker 1: expert to wrap up is so similar to what you've said.
[17:51] Speaker 1: I think kids need three things to thrive. They need love,
[17:54] Speaker 1: They need limits and they need laughter. If we can
[17:57] Speaker 1: give them those three things, they'll live a rich childhood.
[18:00] Speaker 1: Thank you for being so generous with your time. It's
[18:02] Speaker 1: been a real pleasure and a real privilege.
[18:04] Speaker 2: Thanks so much. Thanks, Justin.
[18:05] Speaker 1: We will link to How to Ruin a Child in
[18:07] Speaker 1: the show notes. Grab a copy of it today, How
[18:10] Speaker 1: to Ruin a Child by Richard Glover. The podcast returns
[18:13] Speaker 1: tomorrow with more of your tricky questions, plus the latest
[18:15] Speaker 1: science on Thursday, talking about how we can raise our
[18:17] Speaker 1: families to flourish and thrive. according to the experts. I
[18:22] Speaker 1: promise you, it's good science. It's good scientific parenting. All
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