# The Truth About Men, Emotions, and Silence (with Craig Russouw)

An episode of [Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1082244480), 31 Mar 2026, 18 min.

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He’s snapping, shutting down, or pulling away… but what if it’s not anger at all? In this powerful conversation, psychologist Craig Russouw unpacks what’s really going on beneath the surface for so many men and boys — and why most never ask for help until it’s too late. From hidden signs of depression to the quiet crisis facing Aussie men, this episode will shift how you see behaviour, masculinity, and mental health — and give you practical ways to support the men and boys in your life. KEY POINTS • Why men’s mental health struggles often show up as anger, irritability, or withdrawal • The alarming gap between men experiencing issues and those actually seeking help • How outdated ideas of masculinity keep men silent • What “mental health literacy” is — and why many men don’t have it • The concept of “mental maintenance” (and why prevention matters more than crisis care) • Simple, practical habits that protect mental wellbeing • Why connection for men often looks different — and how to support it QUOTE OF THE EPISODE “Anger is often just the surface. Underneath, there’s anxiety, sadness, or something much deeper.” RESOURCES MENTIONED • Mental Maintenance Manual (free guide for men’s mental health) • Someone Health (telehealth psychology service across Australia) ACTION STEPS FOR PARENTS • Look beyond behaviour — ask what might be underneath anger or withdrawal • Normalise conversations about emotions early, especially with boys • Encourage regular “mental maintenance,” not just crisis support • Help boys identify feelings (not just react to them) • Prioritise sleep, connection, and enjoyable activities as non-negotiables • Model vulnerability — show that talking is strength, not weakness See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the Happy Families Podcast. Today, I'm
[0:08] Speaker 1: speaking with Craig Roussou, a psychologist with over twenty years
[0:11] Speaker 1: of experience specializing in men's mental health. Craig works with
[0:16] Speaker 1: Someone Health and is one of the experts behind the
[0:20] Speaker 1: Mental Maintenance Manual. It's a free and practical guide that's
[0:25] Speaker 1: designed to help Aussie men service their mental health the
[0:29] Speaker 1: same way that they'd service their car. I like that
[0:33] Speaker 1: with nearly half of Australian men experiencing anxiety or depression
[0:36] Speaker 1: in their lifetime, but few of them one in five
[0:39] Speaker 1: seeking help, and unfortunately, three quarters of suicide deaths in
[0:43] Speaker 1: Australia being male. This conversation ties directly into themes that
[0:47] Speaker 1: I'm exploring in my upcoming book Boys, which is going
[0:50] Speaker 1: to be out in June. Last week had a chat
[0:52] Speaker 1: with Brisbane Boys College Principal Andre Cassen about raising great boys.
[0:55] Speaker 1: Today we're talking about what keeps men silent, the tools
[1:01] Speaker 1: that will actually work, and how we help boys and
[1:03] Speaker 1: men to build healthier models of masculinity. Craig Rousso next
[1:09] Speaker 1: on the Happy Families podcast. Hello and welcome to the
[1:14] Speaker 1: Happy Families podcast, where you get real parenting solutions every
[1:16] Speaker 1: single day. This is Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast. Money's
[1:19] Speaker 1: not to Justin Coulson and today Craig Rosso, who has
[1:23] Speaker 1: been working around the mental health space twenty years, specializing
[1:27] Speaker 1: in men's mental health. It's so good of you to
[1:29] Speaker 1: join me on the pod to talk about this today, Craig,
[1:31] Speaker 1: thanks for being here.
[1:33] Speaker 2: NOL doesn't appreciate you having me looking forward to the chat.
[1:36] Speaker 1: Tell me in brief, because Australia doesn't do a great
[1:40] Speaker 1: job in collecting high quality data, what are the latest
[1:43] Speaker 1: figures around Australian men and mental health.
[1:47] Speaker 3: It is a really important question, mate, because almost half
[1:52] Speaker 3: fuzzy blokes will experience mental health issues in their lives,
[1:55] Speaker 3: but lessen one imply, I think it's about twelve percent
[1:58] Speaker 3: will actually take this step of getting some support.
[2:01] Speaker 2: They're more likely and about eighty.
[2:03] Speaker 3: Percent will go to a GP when they're in crisis
[2:06] Speaker 3: or experiencing significant psychological distress.
[2:08] Speaker 2: But unfortunately, less than a.
[2:10] Speaker 3: Half of those guys will actually take that next step
[2:13] Speaker 3: and seek out some support. We're very fortunate in this
[2:16] Speaker 3: day and age to have access to a lot more services.
[2:19] Speaker 3: We've got online services tallyhealth and helplines, but about eighty
[2:24] Speaker 3: percent of blokes are indicating that they wouldn't use that
[2:28] Speaker 3: as a support type. And unfortunately, there are about seven
[2:33] Speaker 3: suicides from men in Australia a day. That makes up
[2:37] Speaker 3: about seventy five percent of our suicide So despite what
[2:40] Speaker 3: is a really growing and big issue, unfortunately Ausie blokes's
[2:45] Speaker 3: just not getting the health that they need.
[2:47] Speaker 1: So there are a couple of things that I want
[2:48] Speaker 1: to pick up on with what you've said. First off,
[2:51] Speaker 1: the mental health industrial complex makes a big deal about
[2:54] Speaker 1: how much depression anxiety is out there, how many mental
[2:56] Speaker 1: health challenges, how much psychological stress is out there, and
[3:00] Speaker 1: everywhere you go, every time you go into the bathroom,
[3:01] Speaker 1: standard of urine or whatever it is, there's going to
[3:03] Speaker 1: be a post to telling you that if you've got
[3:05] Speaker 1: these signs, then you could have a mental health challenge.
[3:07] Speaker 1: How much do you think that the mental health industrial
[3:10] Speaker 1: complex is I get that awareness matters, and I'm a
[3:14] Speaker 1: really big supporter of that. I'm an ambassador for several
[3:18] Speaker 1: organizations that are about raising awareness. But sometimes I feel
[3:21] Speaker 1: like raising awareness can amplify a problem that may not
[3:26] Speaker 1: be there, that we can get false positives or that
[3:28] Speaker 1: we can drag people into something that they might not
[3:30] Speaker 1: have had if they didn't start getting worried about whether
[3:32] Speaker 1: or not they should be worried about whether they should
[3:34] Speaker 1: worry about having that thing. What's your response to that.
[3:37] Speaker 3: I think it's a really good question. The first thing
[3:39] Speaker 3: that bumped into my mind is this perception that people
[3:42] Speaker 3: have that if they talk about suicide as an example,
[3:47] Speaker 3: and particularly suicide for this example, then it's going to
[3:50] Speaker 3: exacerbate that sentiment. It's going to mean that they experience
[3:53] Speaker 3: more suicide ideation or their higher risk of suicide.
[3:57] Speaker 2: But research has shown that that's actually not the case.
[4:00] Speaker 3: You know, really importantly, it's more appropriate for somebody to
[4:05] Speaker 3: talk to someone about that the stress and you know,
[4:07] Speaker 3: the experience that they're going through in terms of general
[4:11] Speaker 3: health literacy and whether we're getting false positives from that,
[4:14] Speaker 3: you know. In relation to your question, I think the
[4:16] Speaker 3: more that we can have out there the better.
[4:19] Speaker 2: You're right. You do see things everywhere nowadays. Every day
[4:22] Speaker 2: one sees things, you know, you're as an example, in
[4:25] Speaker 2: a toilet. But I think with.
[4:28] Speaker 3: Blokes in particular, which is obviously our focus of today,
[4:31] Speaker 3: the more that they see those things, the repetition of
[4:34] Speaker 3: that type of information, I think it's more.
[4:36] Speaker 2: Likely to stick and resonate with them.
[4:38] Speaker 3: But we still have the problem around vulnerability for guys,
[4:43] Speaker 3: which is a key thing. So despite seeing information about
[4:47] Speaker 3: science and symptoms of mental illness and that you should
[4:50] Speaker 3: go and get some help, there are some you know,
[4:53] Speaker 3: old schools sottle expectations around masculinity, which makes.
[4:57] Speaker 2: It hard for them to take that next step.
[5:00] Speaker 1: Every time I shared a slide in my presentations around
[5:03] Speaker 1: resilience on mental health, there's a gender difference. So females
[5:09] Speaker 1: are shown consistently in every study that I've found to
[5:13] Speaker 1: have high levels of psychological stress and mental health challenge
[5:15] Speaker 1: than men. And usually someone will put up their hand
[5:19] Speaker 1: and they'll say, well, that's because men just don't acknowledge it.
[5:21] Speaker 1: Men won't own up to it. Generally speaking, there are
[5:25] Speaker 1: some other methodological issues that can somewhat cancel that out,
[5:28] Speaker 1: although not entirely. You've been working in this area for
[5:31] Speaker 1: twenty years. Other than this idea that you've just mentioned
[5:35] Speaker 1: that men have got these societal expectations that they're supposed
[5:38] Speaker 1: to be strong, what else stops them from seeking support?
[5:41] Speaker 2: There is still some stigma around mental health. I think
[5:45] Speaker 2: we've had some massive steps in that in the last
[5:48] Speaker 2: five to ten years, even fifteen years, but there is
[5:53] Speaker 2: still some stigma attached to it. You know.
[5:55] Speaker 3: Essentially what that means is that a lot of bikes
[5:57] Speaker 3: will just think that there's something wrong with them after
[6:00] Speaker 3: having a mental health issue. Guys generally engaged with general
[6:04] Speaker 3: breaktors so with their GPS less. Women are more likely
[6:07] Speaker 3: or more frequently go see GPS, their visits are.
[6:10] Speaker 2: Generally for longer and it's important access pathway. You know.
[6:14] Speaker 3: I've got MBS better Access, which is a fantastic service
[6:17] Speaker 3: that the Australian Government has developed and has been running
[6:20] Speaker 3: for quite some time, and GPS a prom access point
[6:23] Speaker 3: for that and also other mental health services as well.
[6:26] Speaker 2: We talked about literacy before.
[6:28] Speaker 3: Generally most guys are going to have poor mental health literacy,
[6:31] Speaker 3: so that's the ability to obtain and stand and utilize
[6:34] Speaker 3: that information. Studies have shown that depression literacy, you know,
[6:38] Speaker 3: is worse in men.
[6:40] Speaker 1: Let's get really concrete on this. If I'm a guy
[6:42] Speaker 1: and I don't have reasonable literacy around my mental health,
[6:47] Speaker 1: what is going to be happening for me? And how
[6:49] Speaker 1: am I going to be misinterpreting it.
[6:51] Speaker 2: Guys can present differently. Guys can present more often with things.
[6:55] Speaker 3: Like irritability, anger, you know, fatigue, motivation issues, overworking, underworking.
[7:02] Speaker 3: Of course, you know the classical things like low mood
[7:05] Speaker 3: and anxiety. But you know, on the surface, a lot
[7:09] Speaker 3: of those things might not be evident to them as
[7:12] Speaker 3: a mental health issue or a risk factor.
[7:15] Speaker 1: So if I was to sound like my dad for
[7:18] Speaker 1: a second, of my grandpa, you get these guys who
[7:23] Speaker 1: are in their thirties or forties or fifties, and they
[7:26] Speaker 1: turn into cranky old buggers, And what's actually going on
[7:30] Speaker 1: is that they're not angry people, but there's something going
[7:33] Speaker 1: underneath the surface. They're dealing with some forms of anxiety
[7:36] Speaker 1: or some depression, or maybe even something deeper than that,
[7:40] Speaker 1: some existential terror. But they're just not attuned enough to
[7:44] Speaker 1: what's happening under the surface to get it. And so
[7:46] Speaker 1: everyone just thinks that and they think they think that
[7:48] Speaker 1: they're just moody, that they're just cranky, and so they
[7:51] Speaker 1: get mad, they go and drink a little bit too
[7:54] Speaker 1: much or start to ignore the people around them, And
[7:59] Speaker 1: what's going on is that there may be some mental
[8:01] Speaker 1: health challenge.
[8:02] Speaker 3: Absolutely a lot of boys and guys will often externalize
[8:07] Speaker 3: mental health issues, you know, and anger and irritability being
[8:11] Speaker 3: very obviously that you were talking about then, or engaged
[8:15] Speaker 3: in risky or dangerous behavior like you know, driving fast
[8:19] Speaker 3: or using alcohol or other substances, and you're right, it's
[8:24] Speaker 3: just not clear to them what is under the surface.
[8:28] Speaker 2: So very often that you know, irritability or the anger can.
[8:31] Speaker 3: Be an expression of I'm feeling unsafe, I'm feeling very anxious,
[8:35] Speaker 3: I'm feeling very low, and yet they are unable to
[8:39] Speaker 3: tap into what's going on underneath, and you know, for
[8:42] Speaker 3: that reason, for them and the people around.
[8:44] Speaker 2: Them might not be really evident that what he's going
[8:49] Speaker 2: on to serve.
[8:50] Speaker 1: It's a really tricky question, maybe quite nuanced, and could
[8:55] Speaker 1: even be a hard one to answer. But to what
[8:57] Speaker 1: extent is a guy who is angry or like you said,
[9:03] Speaker 1: externalizing doing things that aren't necessarily going to be considered
[9:07] Speaker 1: pro social and considered of others. To what extent is
[9:11] Speaker 1: that somebody who's just choosing not to regulate and choosing
[9:13] Speaker 1: to be a bit of a well, I don't want
[9:16] Speaker 1: to sound too horrible, but be a bit of a
[9:18] Speaker 1: pig versus somebody who's dealing with a genuine mental health challenge,
[9:22] Speaker 1: Like there are some people who are just angry people.
[9:25] Speaker 1: They just choose not to regulate. They don't have a
[9:27] Speaker 1: mental health condition or problem. They're just in their own
[9:30] Speaker 1: little world and they're not thinking about the people around them.
[9:32] Speaker 1: And then there are other people who are genuinely struggling
[9:34] Speaker 1: with depression and grief and anxiety and other things. How
[9:38] Speaker 1: do you disentangle the two.
[9:41] Speaker 2: That's a good question and a tricky one, and I
[9:44] Speaker 2: think you untangle that through dialogue with another person, whether
[9:49] Speaker 2: that's a loved one you know, a family member, a friend,
[9:52] Speaker 2: or whether you seek professional support. You can really work
[9:56] Speaker 2: through the layers and have a really good discussion about
[10:00] Speaker 2: what's going on for them and potentially the reasons for
[10:03] Speaker 2: why it might be going on.
[10:04] Speaker 3: And that involves discussions, you know, really importantly right back
[10:08] Speaker 3: to your family of origin, you know, where you can
[10:11] Speaker 3: really get blow many layers of what's happened to them
[10:14] Speaker 3: over the journey, and you get to the core of why,
[10:17] Speaker 3: as an example, they might be feeling angry or irritable
[10:21] Speaker 3: or acting out aggressively in their life.
[10:25] Speaker 1: We're back with more from Craig Russo. After break, We're back.
[10:35] Speaker 1: This is the Happy Family's podcast. Craig Russo dedicated and
[10:39] Speaker 1: experienced psychologists with a career spanning over two decades, beginning
[10:42] Speaker 1: in two thousand and three, talking about boys, men, mental health,
[10:46] Speaker 1: support seeking and the fact that too many guys just
[10:49] Speaker 1: won't ask for help. Craig, you've been involved in this
[10:52] Speaker 1: mental maintenance manual. The idea is you take the car
[10:55] Speaker 1: in for a service every so often, and it's probably
[10:57] Speaker 1: good to get you in for a service every so
[10:59] Speaker 1: often from mental health perspective. I got to mate who
[11:01] Speaker 1: used to be a cop. He saw some horrendous things,
[11:04] Speaker 1: ended up leaving the force because it was just too
[11:07] Speaker 1: much for him, the horrors that he had to deal with.
[11:11] Speaker 1: He worked in the child protection squad, which is probably
[11:15] Speaker 1: it's got to be one of the hardest places that
[11:16] Speaker 1: you could ever work. And we were on a bike
[11:20] Speaker 1: ride one time having a good conversation when he said
[11:22] Speaker 1: to me that he goes and sees a psychologist every
[11:25] Speaker 1: three four months even though things are fine, because he
[11:30] Speaker 1: just wants to stay on top of He called it
[11:32] Speaker 1: maintenance mode. I don't have anything going on, I don't
[11:35] Speaker 1: need to see the sych but I just call on
[11:36] Speaker 1: every three or four months. I've got that standing appointment
[11:39] Speaker 1: because I want to keep the maintenance up to date.
[11:43] Speaker 1: Tell us a bit about your mental maintenance manual. This
[11:45] Speaker 1: idea of servicing your mental health the way your service, car.
[11:49] Speaker 2: Entertainment, someone else.
[11:51] Speaker 3: Encouraging guys to treat their mental health in the same
[11:54] Speaker 3: way that they might taking care of their physical health,
[11:57] Speaker 3: taking care of their car, or taking care of their
[11:59] Speaker 3: guard with small and consistent steps around mental health maintenance,
[12:04] Speaker 3: and you know, the guy goes over things like identifying
[12:07] Speaker 3: stressors and triggers, you know, skills for building resilience, and
[12:11] Speaker 3: skills for identifying signs of mental health problems, hopefully to
[12:16] Speaker 3: prevent the onset of more significant issues, all the exacerbation
[12:20] Speaker 3: of things that you might already have going on. Some
[12:24] Speaker 3: of the things that are really key from the manual
[12:27] Speaker 3: include rewarding activities, so I can't play. Any times I've
[12:30] Speaker 3: talked with guys and you know, ask them what are
[12:32] Speaker 3: you doing for yourself?
[12:32] Speaker 2: What do you enjoy? And they'll say nothing or very little.
[12:36] Speaker 3: It's really hard to have a good experience, or positive
[12:39] Speaker 3: or happy experience of your life if you're not doing
[12:41] Speaker 3: things that you find rewarding. So really whatever works for
[12:44] Speaker 3: you little snippets you know over the week. That might
[12:47] Speaker 3: be hunting, might be fishing, might be arts and cramp.
[12:49] Speaker 3: At the end of the day, it's about you enjoy
[12:52] Speaker 3: and trying to incorporate that in. You know, the good
[12:56] Speaker 3: old fashioned seven to nine hours sleep is angely really underrated,
[13:01] Speaker 3: and I'm gonna admit I'm not fantastic with that, but
[13:03] Speaker 3: that that really does help, as well as does having
[13:06] Speaker 3: a generally good diet. You know, so eating clean and
[13:10] Speaker 3: healthy for the most part, noting that you know you're
[13:13] Speaker 3: gonna eat those treats and things that you're like, or
[13:15] Speaker 3: have your cheap meal however you describe.
[13:17] Speaker 2: But I still think that's really important to.
[13:19] Speaker 3: Have those things, and for blokes in particular, but really
[13:25] Speaker 3: this does apply to everybody true face to face social connection.
[13:29] Speaker 3: So us guys, I'm pretty hopeless of picking up the
[13:32] Speaker 3: phone and having a chat to someone else about what's
[13:34] Speaker 3: going on.
[13:35] Speaker 2: We do need something to connect us very.
[13:37] Speaker 3: Often, and you know, those could be activities like the
[13:40] Speaker 3: ones I've mentioned before. You know, it could be going
[13:43] Speaker 3: out for a meal, it could be going for official
[13:45] Speaker 3: to mate.
[13:46] Speaker 2: They provide us with.
[13:46] Speaker 3: That platform where you know, we can start to tease
[13:49] Speaker 3: out some dialogue and we can support each other.
[13:52] Speaker 2: So those are some of the things that are in
[13:54] Speaker 2: the manual, and yeah there's other tips and tricks in
[13:58] Speaker 2: there as well. And again to.
[13:59] Speaker 3: Think been consistent and doing things as often as you can,
[14:04] Speaker 3: but to not.
[14:05] Speaker 2: Be harsh to yourself.
[14:07] Speaker 3: If you fall off the holes, you have a few
[14:09] Speaker 3: bad days or a bad way, it's the idea is just.
[14:12] Speaker 2: To get back on.
[14:13] Speaker 3: Don't beat yourself up about it, but really try and
[14:16] Speaker 3: have these key and consistent parts to maintain.
[14:19] Speaker 1: I recall seeing the Mental Maintenance Manual a little while
[14:23] Speaker 1: back and just thinking this is so smart. I really
[14:26] Speaker 1: enjoy it. I received some stuff in the post that
[14:28] Speaker 1: sort of showed me how it all worked, and it
[14:31] Speaker 1: just fit so well. I haven't heard of someone health before.
[14:35] Speaker 1: Let's just make this absolutely blatant. You guys got in
[14:38] Speaker 1: touch because you wanted people to know what someone health
[14:41] Speaker 1: is so that we can make make care more accessible
[14:45] Speaker 1: for people who are not reaching out for support. Give
[14:48] Speaker 1: us a thirty second blurb on what someone health is
[14:51] Speaker 1: and why this matters in terms of ossie guys, boys
[14:55] Speaker 1: men getting the support that they need.
[14:57] Speaker 2: Thanks justin leading into that.
[15:00] Speaker 3: Another really important barrier to access is actual access to services,
[15:05] Speaker 3: so then being physically available near to you, having knowledge
[15:10] Speaker 3: about services and being able to afford them, particularly in
[15:13] Speaker 3: this day and age, and that's where a service block
[15:14] Speaker 3: someone else can be a real game changer. It's a
[15:17] Speaker 3: telehealth service, so you can get support from the comfort
[15:20] Speaker 3: of your own home or work, whatever suits.
[15:23] Speaker 2: You, at a time that suits you.
[15:25] Speaker 3: And of course it's available to people across Australia and
[15:28] Speaker 3: if you do have a mental health treatment plan, you
[15:31] Speaker 3: get ten sessions a year and there's no gap whatsoever.
[15:35] Speaker 3: So in terms of accessibility, you know, it's really helping
[15:38] Speaker 3: with that barrier, and in terms of cost as well,
[15:41] Speaker 3: it's really.
[15:41] Speaker 2: Helping with that barrier. There's over two hundred therapists on
[15:45] Speaker 2: the platform and right fit's an important thing for anybody,
[15:48] Speaker 2: So you know, I think there's a good chance that
[15:50] Speaker 2: if you jump on and have a look with that
[15:52] Speaker 2: many therapists, you can find someone with the expertise and
[15:55] Speaker 2: skills that are a good fit for you.
[15:56] Speaker 1: Okay, So I give us the website, phone number, anything
[15:59] Speaker 1: else that people need. I can find out more about
[16:01] Speaker 1: someone health and actually do the support seeking that is
[16:06] Speaker 1: all too often, far too lacking.
[16:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give you the website is literally just someone
[16:11] Speaker 3: giant health. If you stick that into your search engine,
[16:14] Speaker 3: it should be the top one that comes up.
[16:16] Speaker 2: And you'll be able to easily navigate your way through there.
[16:20] Speaker 3: In this day and age, I see a lot of
[16:23] Speaker 3: guys who are confused about masculinity and whether it's a
[16:27] Speaker 3: good or a band thing. But there absolutely are good
[16:31] Speaker 3: masculine traits, and you know, I think it's important that
[16:35] Speaker 3: I mentioned that there's not you know, just men. You know,
[16:38] Speaker 3: these traits through in women and men, but things like perseverance,
[16:41] Speaker 3: under dus self, confidenence, you know, decisiveness, strength, These are
[16:47] Speaker 3: all amazing attributes that I think can be celebrated in
[16:50] Speaker 3: everybody and should be encouraged in everyone.
[16:53] Speaker 2: But it really is that you know, specific thing that
[16:56] Speaker 2: happens for a lot of guys, which is that struggle
[16:58] Speaker 2: being vulnerability.
[16:59] Speaker 3: So hopefully you can find someone that you can start
[17:02] Speaker 3: your journey with or the least contribute to your journey
[17:05] Speaker 3: in terms of opening up and talking a little bit
[17:07] Speaker 3: more about what's going on for me.
[17:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, good on your Craig, You're doing really really important work.
[17:11] Speaker 1: And I hope that more people can access it take
[17:14] Speaker 1: advantage of what you're doing. Even if they just get
[17:17] Speaker 1: a hold of that mental maintenance manual that's online, it'll
[17:19] Speaker 1: make such a difference. But reaching out for the help
[17:21] Speaker 1: where you need it is valuable. We have statistics that
[17:24] Speaker 1: are all pointing in the wrong direction when it comes
[17:26] Speaker 1: to how men are doing. So grateful for your time.
[17:28] Speaker 1: That's Craig Russo from someone health, a psychologist over the
[17:32] Speaker 1: last two decades or more who's focused entirely on men's
[17:37] Speaker 1: and boys' mental health and navigating the challenges associated with
[17:42] Speaker 1: what's going on and in our heads. For more, check
[17:45] Speaker 1: the show notes. We will link to everything that Craig's
[17:47] Speaker 1: talked about in the show notes. The Happy Families podcast
[17:49] Speaker 1: is produced by Justin Ruland from Bridge medium. Imhammons provides
[17:52] Speaker 1: additional research and admin support. If you'd like more info
[17:55] Speaker 1: to make your family happier, check out the resources and
[17:57] Speaker 1: the links, or visit happy families dot com.
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