# The Baby Screen Habit Parents Need to Break

An episode of [Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1082244480), 26 Aug 2026, 18 min.

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One in three babies is using a phone or tablet by six months old. By age two, almost one in ten is averaging around four hours of screen time a day. New research into screen use during the first years of life has landed with a confronting warning for parents. Justin and Kylie unpack what researchers call “digital soothing”, why screens can crowd out the interactions babies need for healthy development, and what parents can do when zero screen time feels almost impossible. KEY POINTS • 16% of Australian three and four year olds had recently used TikTok, YouTube or Instagram. • More than half of children are using phones or tablets by their first birthday. • Why researchers are concerned about using screens to soothe, comfort and entertain babies. • How screens can replace the face-to-face “serve and return” interactions that build language and thinking skills. • Higher screen exposure in the early years is linked with poorer sleep, delayed language and cognitive development, weaker social skills and poorer later school performance. • Why watching together is different from leaving a young child alone with a device. QUOTE OF THE EPISODE “The first thousand days build the brain. Work hard to get that right.” RESOURCES MENTIONED • eSafety Commissioner’s Growing Up Online report • Jonathan Haidt’s After Babel Substack • New systematic review of global research into screen use during the first 1,001 days of life ACTION STEPS FOR PARENTS • Aim for as close to zero screen time as possible during the first two years. • Don’t rely on a device as your child’s regular comforter or distraction. • Prioritise talking, playing, moving and face-to-face interaction. • When screen time does happen, watch and engage together rather than handing over the device. • Look at what screen time is replacing, not only what your child is watching. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: This is the Happy Families podcast, doctor's desk episode today.
[0:09] Speaker 1: Some stats that are going to blow your mind. I'm
[0:11] Speaker 1: going to lead with it right now. 16% of Australian
[0:16] Speaker 1: three and four-year-olds have been using social media. One in
[0:24] Speaker 1: 10 primary aged kids owns a smartphone. And a massive
[0:28] Speaker 1: new review of the world's research on babies and screens
[0:31] Speaker 1: has just landed on a recommendation that is going to
[0:34] Speaker 1: stop you in your tracks, especially if you're raising kids
[0:37] Speaker 1: under the age of two. I'll tell you what that
[0:40] Speaker 1: is shortly. Today, Doctor's Desk episode, what our littlest kids
[0:44] Speaker 1: are really doing on screens and what it's doing to them.
[0:50] Speaker 1: That's next. Welcome to the Happy Families Podcast, Real Parenting
[0:55] Speaker 1: Solutions Every Day, Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast. We are
[0:58] Speaker 1: Justin and Kylie Coulson, the parents of six children. Kylie,
[1:02] Speaker 1: screens seem to dominate way too many podcast episodes. I
[1:06] Speaker 1: wish we could talk about parenting.
[1:09] Speaker 2: It feels a bit like that.
[1:10] Speaker 1: But screens and parenting, they're inseparably connected now.
[1:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:15] Speaker 1: So today we're talking about two different new pieces of
[1:19] Speaker 1: evidence that have come through that I find fascinating. One
[1:21] Speaker 1: of them is off the back of a new article
[1:23] Speaker 1: that was written on Jonathan Haidt's substack after Babel. So
[1:27] Speaker 1: Jonathan Haidt, he's the guy who kicked off the huge
[1:29] Speaker 1: noise globally around keeping big tech away from kids until
[1:34] Speaker 1: the age of 16. Hence, we have the laws that
[1:37] Speaker 1: we have in Australia as of December 10 last year,
[1:39] Speaker 1: where if you're under 16, you're not supposed to be
[1:41] Speaker 1: on social media. So his substack, he's reporting on four
[1:45] Speaker 1: brand new studies that have been published just this year
[1:48] Speaker 1: looking at how that change, that legislative change, is going. Interestingly,
[1:54] Speaker 1: on a Doctor's Desk episode recently, I shared one article
[1:58] Speaker 1: that talked about how it's not going well. He somehow
[2:00] Speaker 1: managed to find four that say it's going great guns.
[2:04] Speaker 2: You'll find whatever you look for.
[2:06] Speaker 1: Well, you will. What I'm going to say is this.
[2:08] Speaker 1: He's a very, very enthusiastic proponent of this. I'm actually
[2:11] Speaker 1: on his side, but he's pushing too hard. The evidence
[2:15] Speaker 1: is not strong enough. The studies are not well enough.
[2:18] Speaker 1: built and put together. And the anecdotal evidence that I'm
[2:22] Speaker 1: getting every single day in schools is very, very clear.
[2:26] Speaker 1: Our under-16s are on social media. But there was a
[2:30] Speaker 1: report just published, Kylie, and that's what I want to
[2:32] Speaker 1: talk about now. It comes from the East Safety Commissioner.
[2:34] Speaker 1: It's called the Growing Up Online Report. The families were
[2:38] Speaker 1: surveyed in September 2025. So I'm actually sharing data that's now,
[2:42] Speaker 1: even though it's only recently been released, nearly a year old,
[2:45] Speaker 1: because it takes a long time to get good data out.
[2:47] Speaker 1: And that's the other thing, like Jonathan Haidt's trumpeting how
[2:50] Speaker 1: well the policy is going, but it's really hard to
[2:52] Speaker 1: do good research and to have it published within seven
[2:55] Speaker 1: or eight months of the ban taking place. It's just
[2:58] Speaker 1: not realistic. Anyway, the East Safety Commissioner, before the ban
[3:02] Speaker 1: came in, found this, Kylie, hold your breath. It was
[3:06] Speaker 1: never just a teenage problem. It's much bigger than that.
[3:10] Speaker 1: They found, I can't believe I'm about to say this,
[3:13] Speaker 1: One in four kids, 25% of kids aged between 3
[3:17] Speaker 1: and 10, 3 and 10, had been on social media
[3:22] Speaker 1: in the previous month.
[3:24] Speaker 2: When you say been on social media, they've picked up
[3:27] Speaker 2: mum and dad's phone and they're on their account or
[3:29] Speaker 2: they've got their own account?
[3:30] Speaker 1: It's a combination of both. You and I both know parents,
[3:33] Speaker 1: some friends of ours, who have set up social media
[3:35] Speaker 1: accounts for their kids from the day that they were born.
[3:38] Speaker 1: And their kids have always had access to their Facebook
[3:40] Speaker 1: and their Instagrams. So it's that, but it's also I'm
[3:44] Speaker 1: looking over mum and dad's shoulder or I've taken the
[3:46] Speaker 1: phone or I'm just going through the social media feed.
[3:49] Speaker 1: But check this one out. This is the one that
[3:51] Speaker 1: blew my socks off. From the eSafety Commissioner, we're talking
[3:54] Speaker 1: about three and four-year-olds with this specific stat, three and four-year-olds.
[3:59] Speaker 1: Sixteen percent of three and four-year-olds had used TikTok in
[4:06] Speaker 1: the last month or YouTube or Instagram. Mostly, mostly on
[4:11] Speaker 1: mum or dad's account, but about 20% had their own account.
[4:15] Speaker 1: TikTok for toddlers. Sorry, it just came to me. TikTok
[4:20] Speaker 1: for toddlers. Let's get it out there.
[4:22] Speaker 2: I still don't even know what TikTok is.
[4:24] Speaker 1: No, well, that's because we haven't downloaded it.
[4:28] Speaker 2: Every now and again, somebody sends me something that says
[4:30] Speaker 2: you've got to view it on TikTok. I'm like, oh,
[4:31] Speaker 2: I don't have it.
[4:32] Speaker 1: So I just don't look. I'm on TikTok. My team
[4:34] Speaker 1: posts some stuff there every now and again, but we
[4:36] Speaker 1: don't really focus on TikTok, even though we should because
[4:37] Speaker 1: that's where the world is now. But it's probably costing
[4:41] Speaker 1: me commercially, but I'm not willing to do it. Here's
[4:44] Speaker 1: what this is really about. And there was an article
[4:48] Speaker 1: in the Daily Telegraph just a couple of weeks ago
[4:50] Speaker 1: about this. They did a News Corp study. Something like
[4:52] Speaker 1: 700 kids were surveyed. they found that two thirds of
[4:57] Speaker 1: 12 to 15 year olds are still on social media
[5:00] Speaker 1: five or six months into the ban.
[5:02] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, our personal experience would suggest that. Right.
[5:05] Speaker 1: Yeah. So essentially the legislation has shifted the boundary. It's
[5:09] Speaker 1: moved the line, but it hasn't built the fence that
[5:14] Speaker 1: is supposed to keep them out. It's like, okay, well,
[5:15] Speaker 1: the boundary was here and now the boundary is there,
[5:17] Speaker 1: but it's just a line on the ground and people
[5:18] Speaker 1: are quite happy kids are quite happy to to go
[5:21] Speaker 1: over it um what what's happening i think it's going
[5:24] Speaker 1: to be a slow burn i'm actually still on the
[5:26] Speaker 1: side of the people who are saying it can work
[5:29] Speaker 1: what it's doing is what seat belt laws do or
[5:32] Speaker 1: helmet laws do people go oh yeah okay that's not
[5:35] Speaker 1: okay i'm aware that if i'm doing this i'm actually
[5:37] Speaker 1: being a little bit naughty i'm being a little bit
[5:38] Speaker 1: sneaky and slowly but surely the the line will shift
[5:42] Speaker 1: or not just the line the fences will be built
[5:45] Speaker 1: The parents.
[5:46] Speaker 2: But with anything, it's a slow burn. Change always takes time.
[5:50] Speaker 2: But you look at smoking legislation and laws or alcohol or,
[5:56] Speaker 2: like you said, seatbelts, like all of those things, it
[5:58] Speaker 2: took years.
[5:59] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[6:00] Speaker 2: Years and years and years for everything to catch on
[6:03] Speaker 2: and for those, eventually, those fences to be put in
[6:06] Speaker 2: place to help protect the most vulnerable.
[6:09] Speaker 1: The doctor's desk point that I want to make here
[6:11] Speaker 1: is the stats show, A, The ban is, I don't
[6:16] Speaker 1: want to say it's not working, but it's not comprehensively working.
[6:21] Speaker 1: There is a lot of ground to cover. Yeah, it's
[6:23] Speaker 1: made noise. And now people know this is a problem.
[6:26] Speaker 1: Although every time I do a conversation in a school
[6:30] Speaker 1: with parents, it's like screens are still the big issue
[6:32] Speaker 1: for under 16s. I am seeing more parents say, yep,
[6:36] Speaker 1: my under 16s are not on social media anymore. It
[6:39] Speaker 1: is building, but there's a long way to go. But
[6:42] Speaker 1: the other thing that I wanted to emphasize is as
[6:44] Speaker 1: a parent, if you've got a three-year-old who's using your
[6:47] Speaker 1: phone to scroll Instagram or TikTok, or if you're one
[6:49] Speaker 1: of the parents where like 20% of these kids have
[6:53] Speaker 1: actually got their own accounts, stop it. Like this is
[6:57] Speaker 1: really bad for them. So after the break, there's a
[6:59] Speaker 1: global study that's just been published. It's a really big deal.
[7:03] Speaker 1: And it's looking at what's happening with kids and screens
[7:06] Speaker 1: in the first couple of years of life. So that's
[7:08] Speaker 1: our second part of this Doctor's Desk episode. I want
[7:12] Speaker 1: to talk about that next. Whether you're a parent, a grandparent,
[7:15] Speaker 1: you've got big kids or little kids, you really need
[7:17] Speaker 1: to hear what the latest science is saying. Stay with us.
[7:28] Speaker 1: We're back with the Happy Families podcast. Okay, here's the
[7:30] Speaker 1: source of this brand new under twos evidence on kids
[7:34] Speaker 1: and screens, Kylie. It's a big systematic review of all
[7:37] Speaker 1: the research literature that's a bunch of UK researchers did
[7:41] Speaker 1: a huge synthesis, basically, of the global evidence on screens
[7:46] Speaker 1: from birth to age two. I don't know why they've called, well,
[7:51] Speaker 1: it's beyond age two because they've called it the first
[7:53] Speaker 1: 1,001 days. So we're really talking like three years, basically.
[8:00] Speaker 1: But their conclusion, it's very rare that you see researchers
[8:04] Speaker 1: be really blunt. They always couch their their conclusions in
[8:08] Speaker 1: very gentle language and say, it appears that perhaps under
[8:11] Speaker 1: these circumstances, maybe on average, like that's the research speak.
[8:15] Speaker 1: This is what they've said. And I'm quoting almost directly here.
[8:19] Speaker 2: It's so funny you say that because science is always
[8:23] Speaker 2: about absolutes. And yet when it comes to research, they
[8:27] Speaker 2: won't come down with absolutes.
[8:28] Speaker 1: But that's because science is not about absolutes. It's the
[8:30] Speaker 1: people with ideologies that grab the science and say, oh,
[8:33] Speaker 1: this supports my thing. And then they dive in there
[8:35] Speaker 1: and say, this is what it is. But science is
[8:36] Speaker 1: actually about constantly questioning what we think we know. And
[8:39] Speaker 1: that's what I love about the scientific method is we
[8:42] Speaker 1: can be so sure that this thing happens all the time.
[8:45] Speaker 1: And then we do some experiments and go, oh, my goodness,
[8:48] Speaker 1: that's not true. Case in point, praising kids. Everyone thinks
[8:51] Speaker 1: praising kids is great. Oh, hang on. There's some research
[8:53] Speaker 1: now that shows not. Anyway, let's move away from praise
[8:56] Speaker 1: and get back to screens. Otherwise, I'll get carried away
[8:57] Speaker 1: and this will be a four-hour podcast. This is the
[9:00] Speaker 1: conclusion that they gave us when it comes to kids
[9:03] Speaker 1: and screens, that is children in the first 1,001 days
[9:06] Speaker 1: of their life. They say the developmental risks are substantial,
[9:12] Speaker 1: which is tough talk for a scientist.
[9:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[9:15] Speaker 1: Really, really tough. What they've also found is this, 50%,
[9:19] Speaker 1: in fact, more than 50% of children are using screens,
[9:23] Speaker 1: I'm talking tablets and phones, by their first birthday. One third-
[9:29] Speaker 1: One third of children are actually playing with tablets and
[9:34] Speaker 1: phones by six months of age. 33% by six months
[9:40] Speaker 1: of age.
[9:41] Speaker 2: I remember when screens first, like the first smartphones came
[9:45] Speaker 2: out and it was very common to see a baby
[9:50] Speaker 2: in a pram, like a young, you know, kind of
[9:53] Speaker 2: under one. holding a phone and scrolling and everyone would
[9:58] Speaker 2: be like, oh my.
[9:59] Speaker 1: Gosh, how clever.
[10:00] Speaker 2: Are they? They know how to do blah, blah, blah.
[10:02] Speaker 2: And it was like this really cool thing.
[10:04] Speaker 1: I just want to grab the screen and throw it
[10:05] Speaker 1: in the nearest pond. When I see that, I'm like,
[10:07] Speaker 1: what are you doing? So there's one more stat that
[10:10] Speaker 1: I want to share. No, two more stats that I
[10:12] Speaker 1: want to share. And then I'm There's a concept that
[10:14] Speaker 1: the researchers talk about that really grabs me, and it's
[10:18] Speaker 1: so important. Stat number one, nearly one in 10, so
[10:23] Speaker 1: we're talking about 10% of two-year-olds, average around four hours
[10:28] Speaker 1: a day on a screen, like a tablet or a phone.
[10:33] Speaker 1: And about one in five that are under two are
[10:37] Speaker 1: using screens with zero parent involvement.
[10:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd believe it.
[10:41] Speaker 1: So that's a lot of numbers. It's a lot of stats.
[10:43] Speaker 1: And because this is a podcast, it's hard to hold
[10:45] Speaker 1: onto it. So the summary of that is basically kids
[10:48] Speaker 1: under two are using screens at really high levels, really
[10:51] Speaker 1: harmful levels.
[10:52] Speaker 2: Well, before mobile phones and portable devices became an issue,
[10:57] Speaker 2: we were having conversations around the fact that, you know,
[11:01] Speaker 2: no more than two hours of screen time, which was television,
[11:04] Speaker 2: At that point.
[11:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was not for under twos. For two
[11:08] Speaker 1: decades now, I've been saying, if you're under two, it
[11:10] Speaker 1: should be zero.
[11:11] Speaker 2: No, that's right. But now that we've got the convenience
[11:15] Speaker 2: of a portable device, you can see, I mean, the
[11:20] Speaker 2: stats are showing us, it just elevates their time on
[11:24] Speaker 2: a screen.
[11:24] Speaker 1: Well, this is what the scientists called it, who did
[11:26] Speaker 1: this great big synthesis. They called it digital soothing. So
[11:30] Speaker 1: what they're basically saying is, That screens are taking over
[11:34] Speaker 1: the parent or the caregiver's core jobs of comforting or
[11:38] Speaker 1: entertaining or co-regulating emotion.
[11:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's so good at it.
[11:44] Speaker 1: Exactly.
[11:44] Speaker 2: Like in the moment, it's so good at it. Yeah.
[11:47] Speaker 1: And so their concern, and it's mine as well, and
[11:50] Speaker 1: I've been, again, talking about this for years, is What
[11:53] Speaker 1: the screen's doing is it's displacing. It's not what the
[11:56] Speaker 1: screen is giving the kids because at two, they're unlikely
[11:59] Speaker 1: to be seeing really concerning content. They may, and I
[12:02] Speaker 1: am concerned about it. But what the real issue is
[12:05] Speaker 1: with our under twos is that the screen, it's not
[12:08] Speaker 1: what it's putting in front of the kids' faces. It's
[12:11] Speaker 1: what it's crowding out of the kids' lives. They call
[12:14] Speaker 1: it a serve and return with a parent speaking to
[12:17] Speaker 1: a child and then the child babbling back and then
[12:19] Speaker 1: the parent, just that responsiveness that's there. And what that
[12:24] Speaker 1: does is it builds language. It builds cognition, the ability
[12:27] Speaker 1: to think. Kids are moving less. I'm talking to people
[12:32] Speaker 1: who work in childcare centers, early learning centers, and they're
[12:37] Speaker 1: consistently saying that kids are coming in different in the
[12:40] Speaker 1: last few years to what they did maybe 10 or
[12:42] Speaker 1: 20 years ago. They used to come in and they're active.
[12:45] Speaker 1: Now they come in and they're either angry or they're
[12:47] Speaker 1: sedentary or both. Like there's a genuine shift here. So
[12:52] Speaker 1: we need to wrap this up. The key message is this.
[12:55] Speaker 1: The effects are significant. The data shows that the more
[12:59] Speaker 1: exposure there is to screens in those first couple of years,
[13:03] Speaker 1: it's linked with delayed language, delayed cognitive development, worse sleep,
[13:08] Speaker 1: poorer eating, higher later adiposity.
[13:14] Speaker 2: That's a big word.
[13:15] Speaker 1: I knew if I said that, you'd say that. So
[13:20] Speaker 1: adipose tissue or adiposity- is it's basically a medical term
[13:25] Speaker 1: for how much fatty tissue or body fat you've got.
[13:30] Speaker 1: So they're basically saying that kids are overweight. They're just
[13:32] Speaker 1: saying it in a very medical way so it doesn't
[13:34] Speaker 1: sound bad. The data also shows that they have weaker
[13:40] Speaker 1: social skills, weaker peer relationships, and measurably worse school performance
[13:45] Speaker 1: years down the track when they look at the longitudinal research.
[13:48] Speaker 2: Okay. We're not dealing with a two-year-old, but we've recently
[13:51] Speaker 2: dealt with this with our 12-year-old. She has been constantly
[13:56] Speaker 2: at us. She wants to watch her TV show or
[13:58] Speaker 2: she wants to play a few games. And she's spent
[14:01] Speaker 2: a lot of time on screens because she's.
[14:05] Speaker 1: At home with me. Homeschooling makes it- It's a lot
[14:07] Speaker 1: more accessible for her. And digital soothing. You need a
[14:10] Speaker 1: few minutes break. You've got to record a podcast with me.
[14:12] Speaker 1: We'll just let her have the screen.
[14:14] Speaker 2: And what- we were beginning to realize and recognize was
[14:17] Speaker 2: that she was not wanting to be involved in the family.
[14:21] Speaker 2: She just wanted to be on a screen and it
[14:23] Speaker 2: was incessant. She was just at me all the time.
[14:27] Speaker 1: So we've gone hardcore on this. We've basically said, no
[14:30] Speaker 1: more screens. And other than a little bit of TV,
[14:33] Speaker 1: and certainly no YouTube, a little bit of TV that
[14:35] Speaker 1: she watches with her big sisters, she doesn't have screens anymore.
[14:38] Speaker 1: And we've got a new kid.
[14:39] Speaker 2: We really do. And I'm looking at the way she's
[14:43] Speaker 2: interacting with each of her siblings. Correct me if I'm wrong,
[14:46] Speaker 2: but I don't think we've had any sibling conflict.
[14:50] Speaker 1: There's hardly any fighting. No, that's right.
[14:52] Speaker 2: It's blown me away at what has happened with just,
[14:57] Speaker 2: it's a massive, I'm not going to say it's little,
[14:58] Speaker 2: a massive tweak to screen usage.
[15:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It's not a tweak. It's a complete about face.
[15:04] Speaker 1: She doesn't have screens anymore. Let's go back to the
[15:05] Speaker 1: two-year-olds and the doctor's desk episode content that we're talking
[15:09] Speaker 1: about here. Fundamentally, most parents, not all, but most parents
[15:13] Speaker 1: actually know that zero screens for under twos is what's best.
[15:20] Speaker 1: I think most parents know, but the reality is in 2026,
[15:26] Speaker 1: you just can't follow it. There's the stress, there's the busyness,
[15:29] Speaker 1: there's the isolation. There's so many challenges. I think that
[15:34] Speaker 1: what we really need to remember is this. If they're
[15:36] Speaker 1: under two, what they need is your face, which is
[15:41] Speaker 1: really exhausting for you. But hey, you have kids. I'm
[15:44] Speaker 1: actually a little bit lacking in sympathy here. I'm supposed
[15:46] Speaker 1: to be very empathetic at this point. But if you
[15:48] Speaker 1: have kids, you had them because you wanted them. So
[15:51] Speaker 1: don't stick a screen in front of them, especially in
[15:52] Speaker 1: those first couple of years. I'd say two to three years,
[15:54] Speaker 1: just don't. And if screen time is going to happen,
[15:58] Speaker 1: make sure you're doing it together, not alone. It's not
[16:03] Speaker 1: the dummy. It's not the comforter. It's Comfort comes from
[16:07] Speaker 1: being with you, not from whatever the algorithm is going
[16:10] Speaker 1: to serve up to your two-year-old and your three-year-old. We've
[16:14] Speaker 1: got to do better for the sake of our kids.
[16:15] Speaker 1: If we really loved our kids, this is the guilt trip.
[16:18] Speaker 1: I'm actually putting the guilt trip on. People might hate
[16:20] Speaker 1: me for this and we might lose listeners, but I'm
[16:21] Speaker 1: saying it anyway. If you really love your kids, you're
[16:23] Speaker 1: going to minimize their screen access to as close to
[16:25] Speaker 1: zero as possible in the first two to three years
[16:28] Speaker 1: and then keep it as low as possible after that
[16:30] Speaker 1: for as long as you possibly can. Today's content is
[16:33] Speaker 1: really hard to take. TikTok for toddlers. Kids with social
[16:37] Speaker 1: media accounts under the age of five and the data
[16:40] Speaker 1: showing genuine developmental liabilities that exist when young kids are
[16:46] Speaker 1: on screens.
[16:47] Speaker 2: And not just during that time period. Like the long-term
[16:51] Speaker 2: ramifications for our children are in the evidence.
[16:56] Speaker 1: The first thousand days build the brain. So work hard
[17:00] Speaker 1: to get that right. Okay, that was a bit of
[17:02] Speaker 1: a heavy one. Tomorrow, it's I'll do better tomorrow. We're
[17:04] Speaker 1: going to be light and fun, we hope, depending on
[17:06] Speaker 1: how the week's gone for us. And we'll share how
[17:09] Speaker 1: our parenting adventures can help your family to be happier.
[17:12] Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Happy Families podcast. Sound, audio,
[17:15] Speaker 1: engineering from Justin Roulon from Bridge Media. And Mim Hammonds
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[17:23] Speaker 1: information about making your family happier, available at happyfamilies.com.au.

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