# Is 'Letting Go' the Hardest Part of Parenting?

An episode of [Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1082244480), 8 Oct 2026, 17 min.

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Parenting gets harder when your kids start needing you less. Justin and Kylie talk about the messy reality of raising children who eventually leave home, make their own choices and face hard things without you beside them. They share a beautiful reminder that resilience rarely looks neat, why the struggle matters, and why the goal of parenting is to make yourself redundant. They also talk about Justin’s 50K for 50K Lift the Load challenge, raising money to help Top Blokes support boys with mentors and positive models of masculinity. KEY POINTS • Resilient kids don’t always look confident. Sometimes resilience looks messy, uncertain and uncomfortable. • Your child’s struggle isn’t always something you need to fix. Some struggles are where growth happens. • Kids spell love T-I-M-E. Time with your children still matters when they become adults. • The goal of parenting is to make yourself redundant. When children no longer need you, they can choose to come back because they want to. • Raising boys well means giving them positive models of masculinity, kindness, respect and healthy relationships. • Sometimes doing something meaningful means stepping well outside your comfort zone. QUOTE OF THE EPISODE “Make yourself redundant. And the great irony is, if you do it well, because they don’t need you, they come back not because they need you, but because they want to be there.” RESOURCES MENTIONED • Lift the Load 50K for 50K ACTION STEPS FOR PARENTS • Resist the urge to rescue your child from every uncomfortable experience. • Give your kids time, even when they’re older and independent. • When your child is struggling, ask yourself whether they need rescuing or simply need you beside them. • Look for opportunities to model kindness, respect and healthy relationships. • Think about one thing you can do tomorrow that strengthens your relationship with your child. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: It's always a big week in the Coulson house and
[0:08] Speaker 1: this week things are the same as always. There's stacks
[0:11] Speaker 1: going on. We can't wait to tell you about lift
[0:13] Speaker 1: the load, walking 50 kilometers, a daughter leaving home, Kylie
[0:18] Speaker 1: going on holidays and not taking me because there was
[0:21] Speaker 1: too much work to be done and a whole lot more.
[0:23] Speaker 1: It's our I'll do better tomorrow episode of the happy
[0:26] Speaker 1: families podcast with lessons for life and family coming up
[0:30] Speaker 1: right after this. Hello, welcome to the Happy Families podcast. Friday,
[0:37] Speaker 1: the 9th of October, it's our I'll Do Better Tomorrow edition.
[0:40] Speaker 1: And we are Justin and Kylie Coulson. We're the parents
[0:43] Speaker 1: of six kids, although our household is rapidly shrinking. More
[0:47] Speaker 1: on that shortly. Every Friday on the pod, we, what
[0:50] Speaker 1: do we do, Kylie? We pull the week that we've
[0:52] Speaker 1: just been through apart and look for life lessons, how
[0:54] Speaker 1: we can make family life better. And we kind of
[0:57] Speaker 1: just get involved in show and tell.
[0:59] Speaker 2: It's not show and tell.
[1:01] Speaker 1: I hate the idea.
[1:03] Speaker 2: We can't show you anything, number one.
[1:05] Speaker 1: We're behind the times. We're not doing video.
[1:07] Speaker 2: But one of the things that I absolutely love about
[1:10] Speaker 2: the relationship that you and I have built is there
[1:13] Speaker 2: is always an opportunity for us to look at what's
[1:16] Speaker 2: going well in our lives and what's not and kind
[1:18] Speaker 2: of change course if we need to.
[1:21] Speaker 1: I did a webinar the other night. And in that webinar,
[1:24] Speaker 1: I was telling a story about how we're supposed to
[1:26] Speaker 1: get it all right. And then I disclosed that one
[1:30] Speaker 1: of our kids annoyed me about a month ago and
[1:34] Speaker 1: we were supposed to be out the door and she
[1:35] Speaker 1: knew we were supposed to be out the door and
[1:37] Speaker 1: I was calling her because I didn't know where she
[1:38] Speaker 1: was in which room of the house or whether she
[1:40] Speaker 1: was in the car and I was calling and calling
[1:41] Speaker 1: and calling. I was teaching the principal that you really
[1:43] Speaker 1: want to make sure you've got your child's attention before
[1:45] Speaker 1: you start speaking. And of course I was doing exactly
[1:48] Speaker 1: the opposite and becoming irate because she wasn't answering me
[1:51] Speaker 1: and it's just currently the stage of life that she's
[1:55] Speaker 1: in that when we try to talk to her she
[1:56] Speaker 1: doesn't respond. She waits until she feels like responding. And
[2:01] Speaker 1: one of the comments from somebody in that webinar was,
[2:04] Speaker 1: I just love hearing that the parenting expert is dealing
[2:06] Speaker 1: with the same stuff that we're dealing with. But it's humanizing.
[2:10] Speaker 2: Okay, so this is show and tell.
[2:12] Speaker 1: And yes, we are dealing with everything you're dealing with.
[2:14] Speaker 1: That's why we're doing this, right? Because we're right in
[2:17] Speaker 1: the thick of it. Oh my goodness. Anyway, there are
[2:19] Speaker 1: three things we're talking about today. Kylie, you've got a
[2:22] Speaker 1: big story that you're going to discuss in just a moment.
[2:23] Speaker 1: But there are two things that I'm going to touch on.
[2:26] Speaker 1: One of them is just an important news item. And
[2:29] Speaker 1: the second of them is my I'll do better tomorrow.
[2:31] Speaker 1: So first of all, the news item, feel free to
[2:34] Speaker 1: chime in where you need to, Kylie. I'm raising money.
[2:37] Speaker 1: trying to raise $ 50, 000, which is no small feat, especially
[2:41] Speaker 1: in the current economic climate.
[2:42] Speaker 2: That's a lot of money.
[2:42] Speaker 1: I'm walking 50 kilometers to raise $ 50, 000. It's 50K for 50K.
[2:47] Speaker 1: That's what I'm calling it. And we're going to link
[2:48] Speaker 1: to this in the show notes. It's lift the load
[2:51] Speaker 1: for top blokes. I've raised almost $ 20, 000, which has blown
[2:57] Speaker 1: me away already. I'm so grateful. So many people have
[3:00] Speaker 1: been remarkably generous. Some people are donating 20 bucks, right?
[3:03] Speaker 1: I need a thousand people to chuck in 50, but
[3:05] Speaker 1: some people are only putting in 20 or 25 because
[3:07] Speaker 1: that's what they've got. And to me, that donation is
[3:10] Speaker 1: just as remarkable and just as wonderful and gives me
[3:13] Speaker 1: chills as much as somebody who's chipped in a thousand dollars.
[3:16] Speaker 1: And there's been a couple of people who've done that
[3:17] Speaker 1: as well. But I've obviously got to get another $ 30, 000,
[3:20] Speaker 1: which is another 600 people. So if you're listening right
[3:24] Speaker 1: now and you'd love to help, here's why I'm doing it.
[3:27] Speaker 1: And I don't even want to talk about this But
[3:29] Speaker 1: I'm going to anyway. This past week, there was a
[3:33] Speaker 1: newspaper article that broke my heart in the Courier-Mail. Two boys,
[3:38] Speaker 1: a 12-year-old and a 13-year-old from the Gold Coast have
[3:40] Speaker 1: taken their lives. It absolutely tears me apart. Kaya Kennedy,
[3:45] Speaker 1: 12 years old. Trayvon Bradshaw, 13 years old. They're not
[3:49] Speaker 1: here anymore because so many of our boys are just struggling.
[3:55] Speaker 1: And then you've got stories like Boy, well, these are
[3:58] Speaker 1: men now. Men who, they're not struggling. They're just getting
[4:02] Speaker 1: it so wrong. The atrocious behavior of the Cornell 7,
[4:06] Speaker 1: I think they're now being called, the sexual assault case
[4:10] Speaker 1: that's happening in the United States that is just, I
[4:14] Speaker 1: can't even comprehend the reality that something like this would happen.
[4:19] Speaker 1: And if you haven't seen it, I'm not going to
[4:20] Speaker 1: talk about it on the podcast because it's just so disgusting.
[4:23] Speaker 1: I don't even want to put it in people's minds.
[4:25] Speaker 1: And then we've got the allegations of, Sam Wood. Just yesterday,
[4:30] Speaker 1: he was in the Maroochydore District Court and saying, well, actually, no,
[4:35] Speaker 1: it didn't happen. He's arguing against the allegations. But he's
[4:39] Speaker 1: in court now on allegations of domestic assault. And I
[4:44] Speaker 1: look at this and I just think there has never
[4:46] Speaker 1: been a time in my life where I can recall
[4:49] Speaker 1: thinking about how badly boys and men are doing. And
[4:55] Speaker 1: they need help. And somebody told me that they were
[4:58] Speaker 1: going to share my lift the load challenge on their
[5:01] Speaker 1: Facebook page to encourage people to donate. But because of
[5:03] Speaker 1: all the horrible stuff that boys are doing, they just
[5:06] Speaker 1: don't think it would be right. It would be too
[5:07] Speaker 1: insensitive and it would go down badly. And I'm like, no, no, no,
[5:09] Speaker 1: you're missing the point. Like this is the time we
[5:12] Speaker 1: need to be bringing money in because Top Lokes sends
[5:15] Speaker 1: mentors into schools and find boys who are frankly at
[5:18] Speaker 1: risk and gives them mentors, gives them boys who will
[5:22] Speaker 1: teach them about healthy masculinity, teach them about Stepping away
[5:26] Speaker 1: from the manosphere and how to get away from misogynistic
[5:29] Speaker 1: attitudes and how to actually be considerate and kind and
[5:31] Speaker 1: careful and how to be a man, a real man,
[5:34] Speaker 1: not the man, a man. That's what they're doing. I
[5:37] Speaker 1: just don't know if there's more important work that's out there.
[5:39] Speaker 1: So that's what I'm doing. And I'm obviously getting a
[5:43] Speaker 1: head full of steam about this, but I just, please donate.
[5:46] Speaker 1: And if you have donated, thank you so much. But
[5:48] Speaker 1: if you haven't, 600 more people is all I need.
[5:52] Speaker 1: 600 more people, 50 bucks each. We hit the 50K.
[5:55] Speaker 1: And tomorrow, I don't know how I'm going to survive
[5:58] Speaker 1: tomorrow because I'm going to walk 50 kilometers in one day.
[6:01] Speaker 1: If it takes me all day, I don't care. I'm
[6:03] Speaker 1: going to do it carrying a 10 kilo load. And
[6:08] Speaker 1: it's possibly going to be one of the hardest things
[6:09] Speaker 1: that I've ever done physically in my life.
[6:11] Speaker 2: One of the things that I so admire about you
[6:15] Speaker 2: is your desire to make the world a better place.
[6:18] Speaker 2: And this walk is so close. to your heart and
[6:25] Speaker 2: your reasons for doing it are so personal. And it's
[6:29] Speaker 2: going to be tough. There's no two ways about it.
[6:32] Speaker 2: It's going to be tough. But what I love is
[6:34] Speaker 2: that you actually don't have to do this alone. Our
[6:38] Speaker 2: son-in-law is going to join you tomorrow. I'm going to
[6:41] Speaker 2: join you tomorrow. You've got Kieran Foran and so many
[6:44] Speaker 2: others in the community who are rallying behind you because
[6:49] Speaker 2: this matters. This matters to so many people. It's not
[6:52] Speaker 2: a small thing number one it's not a small thing
[6:55] Speaker 2: that you're doing but it's not a small thing that
[6:58] Speaker 2: we're trying to fight against we're trying to bring more
[7:01] Speaker 2: awareness to.
[7:03] Speaker 1: Well we'll look to it in the show notes lift
[7:05] Speaker 1: the load lift the load help us to lift the
[7:07] Speaker 1: load 50k for 50k so that we can get more
[7:09] Speaker 1: mentors in front of more boys so that we have
[7:11] Speaker 1: fewer of these stories because my goodness i just don't
[7:14] Speaker 1: want to read another story like this it's crushing me
[7:17] Speaker 1: all right lighter news on the Happy Families podcast today.
[7:21] Speaker 1: And we're already halfway through it. After the break, my
[7:25] Speaker 1: I'll Do Better Tomorrow and one from Kylie as well,
[7:27] Speaker 1: which has just had the whole family in tears. Find
[7:30] Speaker 1: out more in just a second. Okay, this is the
[7:40] Speaker 1: Happy Families podcast. We're talking not just about lifting the load,
[7:43] Speaker 1: but also about how we can do better tomorrow. Kylie,
[7:46] Speaker 1: you were away last week. I had a whole lot
[7:47] Speaker 1: of work to do. I couldn't go with you. You
[7:49] Speaker 1: took a couple of kids. You spent some time in
[7:50] Speaker 1: Wollongong and on the New South Wales Central Coast with
[7:54] Speaker 1: family while I looked after the dog and did so
[7:57] Speaker 1: much work. And one of the hardest things about running
[8:04] Speaker 1: a small business is just how hard it is to
[8:06] Speaker 1: actually get family time. And I feel so awful about this,
[8:11] Speaker 1: but it's so, so hard because there's so much to
[8:13] Speaker 1: be done all the time. But while you were away
[8:15] Speaker 1: with the kids and I was working, Abby, our second daughter,
[8:18] Speaker 1: and her hubby, Elijah, they've been married for three months now,
[8:21] Speaker 1: three and a half months. They said, oh, we're coming
[8:23] Speaker 1: up to the coast. Maybe we could have dinner on
[8:26] Speaker 1: Sunday night. And I said, you betcha. What do you want?
[8:28] Speaker 1: And Abby said, I'd love a roast. So there's three
[8:30] Speaker 1: of us. And I cooked a roast for three. And
[8:33] Speaker 1: I felt so proud of myself. They showed up. They
[8:35] Speaker 1: were so ecstatic. Had the lamb roast, had the potatoes,
[8:38] Speaker 1: had the pumpkin, had the sweet potato, had the gravy.
[8:40] Speaker 1: I did it all. Did it all on my own.
[8:42] Speaker 1: I was so excited about it. And they loved it.
[8:46] Speaker 1: Then the next morning, they said, oh, we thought we'd
[8:49] Speaker 1: come around for breakfast. When you look at how much
[8:53] Speaker 1: a cafe breakfast costs these days, that's fair enough. So
[8:56] Speaker 1: I messaged and said, I'm on a bike ride. And
[8:58] Speaker 1: then I've got to get into the office, but I'll
[8:59] Speaker 1: be home at about nine. So help yourself or I'll
[9:03] Speaker 1: be there at nine o'clock. And she interpreted that as
[9:05] Speaker 1: if I show up at nine, dad's going to cook
[9:06] Speaker 1: me breakfast. And I was like, no, that's what I said,
[9:09] Speaker 1: but I can see how she interpreted it. So anyway,
[9:10] Speaker 1: I decided to cook brekkie for our 20 something year
[9:13] Speaker 1: old daughter and her husband. did a big harvest breakfast
[9:15] Speaker 1: with the spinach and the bacon and the eggs and
[9:18] Speaker 1: the mushrooms and the tomato. And Kylie, it just felt
[9:23] Speaker 1: so great to spoil, even though she's grown up and
[9:25] Speaker 1: even though she doesn't need it, it felt so great
[9:27] Speaker 1: to sit there with our adult daughter and her husband
[9:30] Speaker 1: and shoot the breeze, no agenda, just enjoy them. So
[9:35] Speaker 1: that's my I'll do better tomorrow for this week. I'd
[9:38] Speaker 1: love to talk about your birthday gifts and all that
[9:40] Speaker 1: sort of stuff, but that's what I've selected because taking
[9:42] Speaker 1: the time And building the relationship and the foundations when
[9:45] Speaker 1: they're young means that you get to do this stuff
[9:47] Speaker 1: when they're older. And it's just been, it was just
[9:49] Speaker 1: a joy.
[9:51] Speaker 2: Her birthday is coming up in a few weeks. And
[9:54] Speaker 2: after that experience, she actually sent me a message and
[9:56] Speaker 2: she said, it doesn't have to be this year, she said,
[9:58] Speaker 2: but for. either birthdays or Christmas moving forward, a daddy-daughter
[10:03] Speaker 2: or a mummy-daughter date would just be the bee's knees.
[10:06] Speaker 1: Kids spell love, T-I-M-E, right?
[10:08] Speaker 2: It's so heartwarming to know that of all the things
[10:12] Speaker 2: that they could ask for, they just want more time.
[10:15] Speaker 1: Okay, Mrs. Happy Families, your I'll do better tomorrow. Let's
[10:18] Speaker 1: hear it.
[10:19] Speaker 2: So a few weeks ago, I sent you a post
[10:22] Speaker 2: that came up in my feed and it was all
[10:25] Speaker 2: about resilience.
[10:26] Speaker 1: For every podcast listener, this drives Kylie crazy because I
[10:28] Speaker 1: do not have social media. And so Kylie has to
[10:30] Speaker 1: screenshot everything and send it through. Otherwise, I don't see anything,
[10:34] Speaker 1: which is wonderful. Anyway, you sent me the post about resilience.
[10:37] Speaker 2: And she did such a good job of visually showing
[10:40] Speaker 2: what resilience looks like. Too often, we think that if
[10:45] Speaker 2: we're resilient, that everything looks neat and tidy, that life
[10:49] Speaker 2: runs smoothly because we're strong, we're capable. But she had
[10:54] Speaker 2: on her board not knowing at one end and knowing
[10:59] Speaker 2: at the other end.
[10:59] Speaker 1: Oh, this is that Becky Kennedy one.
[11:01] Speaker 2: And then instead of a beautiful straight line of what
[11:04] Speaker 2: it looks like to go from not knowing something to
[11:06] Speaker 2: knowing something, It was this beautiful, messy rollercoaster ride all
[11:09] Speaker 2: the way through it. And she just explained, being resilient
[11:13] Speaker 2: looks messy when you're in it. It doesn't feel nice.
[11:16] Speaker 1: It feels awful.
[11:17] Speaker 2: And this week we've experienced a bit of that, and
[11:19] Speaker 2: I'm going to get emotional. But we've said goodbye to
[11:22] Speaker 2: another baby. Yeah. And the night before she left.
[11:26] Speaker 1: Yesterday. It was yesterday. We took her to the airport
[11:29] Speaker 1: and said, love you, have a great time.
[11:33] Speaker 2: The night before she left, you were tired. You said goodnight.
[11:36] Speaker 2: and she just wanted to keep talking and she was,
[11:39] Speaker 2: she was wrestling. Like this is hard. What, what, what
[11:42] Speaker 2: our kids are choosing to do with their lives is hard.
[11:46] Speaker 1: Our daughter is doing what two of her big sisters
[11:48] Speaker 1: have done. She's going on a mission for our church.
[11:50] Speaker 1: So it's 18 months. She's going somewhere she's never been before.
[11:54] Speaker 1: And she's going to be with people she's never spent
[11:56] Speaker 1: time with before. And she's going to spend 18 months
[11:59] Speaker 1: doing community service and, um, and sharing our religion with
[12:03] Speaker 1: people if they're open to hearing it. Um, I just
[12:05] Speaker 1: want to highlight for those who are not religious, if
[12:08] Speaker 1: you ever see the missionaries from our church wearing the
[12:10] Speaker 1: black name tags, please be nice to them because they're
[12:12] Speaker 1: just kids. But more than that.
[12:15] Speaker 2: And one of them's our kids. And one of them's
[12:16] Speaker 2: our daughter.
[12:17] Speaker 1: Yeah. But more than that, I was talking to somebody
[12:20] Speaker 1: the other day who's not religious at all. And he said,
[12:22] Speaker 1: I love what you're doing. Even if I'm not into
[12:25] Speaker 1: the religion thing, what I love about it is you've
[12:27] Speaker 1: got these 18 and 19 and 20 year old kids
[12:31] Speaker 1: and they're They're stepping away from home. They're stepping away
[12:33] Speaker 1: from comfort. They're stepping away from all of their selfish
[12:36] Speaker 1: preferences and pursuits. They're doing something where they're tapping into
[12:40] Speaker 1: the service of something bigger than them. And he said,
[12:44] Speaker 1: it must be so character building. It must be so
[12:48] Speaker 1: profoundly impactful in their lives. And that's what she's doing.
[12:52] Speaker 1: So she literally flew out yesterday, a couple of weeks
[12:57] Speaker 1: of training in New Zealand, and then she's off to
[12:59] Speaker 1: Adelaide for 18 months.
[13:00] Speaker 2: Wow. And as we sat there on the lounge room floor,
[13:03] Speaker 2: her contents of her suitcase scattered all over the lounge
[13:09] Speaker 2: room floor. And she just sobbed with me and she
[13:12] Speaker 2: just said, I don't know if I'm ready, Mum. Like,
[13:15] Speaker 2: I feel so scared right now. And I just said,
[13:19] Speaker 2: there are going to be so many times in your
[13:21] Speaker 2: life where you're going to feel this over and over again.
[13:24] Speaker 2: You never feel ready.
[13:25] Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, you never feel ready.
[13:27] Speaker 2: And if you do feel ready, then you're definitely not
[13:29] Speaker 2: ready because you have no idea what's coming.
[13:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, have some meal, Lottie.
[13:34] Speaker 2: But I am so grateful for each of our girls
[13:38] Speaker 2: and for the decisions that they've made to do something
[13:41] Speaker 2: bigger than themselves. And we started this podcast with Lift
[13:45] Speaker 2: the Load and this idea that you are doing something
[13:48] Speaker 2: that's larger than you and it's not about you. And
[13:52] Speaker 2: our girls are following suit in their own way and
[13:54] Speaker 2: doing their own things. And as we sat around the
[13:56] Speaker 2: dinner table the night before she left, and we had
[14:01] Speaker 2: our son-in-laws there, and I was just so overcome with
[14:05] Speaker 2: gratitude for these beautiful human beings that I happen to
[14:08] Speaker 2: get to call mine and ours, and that we get
[14:12] Speaker 2: to have a front row seat to this glorious, messy life.
[14:19] Speaker 2: I just couldn't be prouder.
[14:20] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[14:23] Speaker 2: And being at the airport, oh my gosh.
[14:24] Speaker 1: Oh, the tears.
[14:26] Speaker 2: Annie didn't stop. She didn't stop the whole time. And
[14:29] Speaker 2: I managed to hold it together. And it literally wasn't
[14:32] Speaker 2: until we waved her off and we said goodbye. She
[14:34] Speaker 2: went through the departure gate. And our little grandbaby, Indy,
[14:38] Speaker 2: who had been so full of smiles only minutes before,
[14:41] Speaker 2: she just bowed her head. And I looked at her
[14:43] Speaker 2: and I said, Indy, I said, are you okay? And
[14:45] Speaker 2: the little bottom lived lips started quivering and.
[14:47] Speaker 1: She said, I want my auntie Annie. Well, that was it.
[14:51] Speaker 1: I was gone. And she cried all the way to
[14:53] Speaker 1: the car.
[14:54] Speaker 2: You actually looked at her and you said, have you
[14:55] Speaker 2: dribbled all over Lolly? You had no idea that she
[14:57] Speaker 2: had literally sobbed her little heart out. So that's my
[15:03] Speaker 2: I'll do better tomorrow. As a parent, it would be
[15:05] Speaker 2: so easy to want to rescue our kids when they're
[15:07] Speaker 2: in that wrestle. But the wrestle is actually where the
[15:12] Speaker 2: learning happens and where They get to learn who they
[15:17] Speaker 2: are and what they stand for and what's important and
[15:20] Speaker 2: what's not. And oh my gosh.
[15:23] Speaker 1: But you know you're doing it right when they go, right?
[15:25] Speaker 1: Like that's our job. Make yourself redundant. And the great
[15:28] Speaker 1: irony is if you do it well, because they don't
[15:31] Speaker 1: need you, they come back not because they need you,
[15:34] Speaker 1: but because they want to. be there you keep on
[15:37] Speaker 1: crying and i'm going to start crying okay we need
[15:39] Speaker 1: to wrap this up uh we really appreciate that you've
[15:41] Speaker 1: listened to the podcast today some some heavy stuff some
[15:43] Speaker 1: exciting stuff we hope that it's been a a good
[15:46] Speaker 1: listen for you have a wonderful wonderful weekend and once
[15:50] Speaker 1: again if you if you can please jump online and
[15:53] Speaker 1: donate to this lift the load top blokes foundation not-for-profit
[15:58] Speaker 1: charity walk that kieran and i are going to be
[16:00] Speaker 1: doing tomorrow We need your support, honestly, not just for
[16:03] Speaker 1: the donations, but for the fact that we're trying to
[16:05] Speaker 1: walk 50 kilometers with this load. And I'm just going
[16:08] Speaker 1: to put it out there. I tried to walk 20
[16:10] Speaker 1: about a week ago and my body kind of broke down.
[16:12] Speaker 1: So I don't know how this is going to go.
[16:14] Speaker 1: I might not even finish. Who knows? But I'm going
[16:16] Speaker 1: to give it everything I've got and more. The Happy
[16:19] Speaker 1: Families podcast, as always, sounds great. audio engineering from Justin
[16:23] Speaker 1: Rawan at Bridge Media. Mim Hammonds provides admin and additional support.
[16:27] Speaker 1: And if you'd like more info to make your family happier,
[16:30] Speaker 1: you'll find all of our resources and books all over
[16:32] Speaker 1: the internet and at happyfamilies.com.au. Have a great weekend and
[16:38] Speaker 1: we'll talk to you again on Monday.

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