# The Era of the Tiger Mum Is Over - Enter the Beta Mum

An episode of [Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1082244480), 24 May 2026, 17 min.

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Parenting styles are having another viral moment — tiger mums are out, “beta mums” are in, and social media has plenty to say about how parents should raise their kids. But what if we’ve made parenting far more complicated than it needs to be? In this episode, Justin and Kylie unpack the latest parenting trend making headlines and explore why so many parents feel overwhelmed, judged, and exhausted trying to “get it right.” From over-scheduling kids to pulling back completely, they discuss the dangers of parenting extremes and the pressure modern families are carrying. Most importantly, they share the three simple things children actually need to thrive — and none of them cost a fortune or require perfect parenting. If you’ve ever worried you’re not doing enough as a parent, this conversation will feel like a deep exhale. KEY POINTS • Why parenting trends and labels are everywhere right now • The problem with extreme parenting advice online • How modern parents are overcomplicating family life • The hidden pressure to optimise children for success • Why kids don’t need perfect parents • The three things children truly need: love, limits, and laughter • How connection shapes children more than achievement • Why healthy boundaries still matter • The role humour and playfulness have in strong families • The importance of giving parents — and ourselves — more grace QUOTE OF THE EPISODE “Kids don’t need extreme parenting styles. They need love, limits, and laughter.” RESOURCES MENTIONED • Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother by Amy Chua • The Era of the Tiger Mum is Over: Enter the Beta Mum by Rachel Wolfe • Happy Families ACTION STEPS FOR PARENTS • Spend ten uninterrupted minutes connecting with your child today • Reflect on whether your family rhythms feel supportive or overwhelming • Involve your child in conversations about boundaries and expectations • Create more opportunities for shared laughter at home • Let go of the idea that good parenting has to look perfect See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:06] Speaker 1: A brand new week and a brand new parenting style.
[0:08] Speaker 1: Can you believe it? The media, social media influences. Everyone
[0:11] Speaker 1: gets so excited about new parenting styles. Today we're going
[0:14] Speaker 1: to unpack it. Apparently the era of the tiger mum
[0:18] Speaker 1: is over.
[0:19] Speaker 2: What is a tiger mum. It's a mother who conveys
[0:23] Speaker 2: very very high expectations coupled with unconditional love.
[0:27] Speaker 1: And we are now in the era of the beta
[0:30] Speaker 1: or beta if you're from the United States, the beta
[0:33] Speaker 1: or beta mum. What does that mean? The Wall Street
[0:36] Speaker 1: Journal is reporting that for decades, high achieving mothers felt
[0:39] Speaker 1: pressure to optimize their children for success, and now a
[0:42] Speaker 1: whole lot of mums have had enough. They're pulling up stumps.
[0:45] Speaker 1: They're taking that bat and ball and going home. Well,
[0:47] Speaker 1: actually they're trying to get out of the house entirely.
[0:50] Speaker 1: They're not going home. They're going to the day spar
[0:52] Speaker 1: having some me time. We're going to unpack what it
[0:54] Speaker 1: means to not be an alpha mum but rather a
[0:57] Speaker 1: beta mum, and do the social media influencers have it right?
[1:02] Speaker 1: Maybe for the first time ever. Stay with us. That's next.
[1:08] Speaker 1: It's so good to have you here. This is the
[1:10] Speaker 1: happy family's podcast where you get real parenting solutions every
[1:13] Speaker 1: single day. It's Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast. We are
[1:16] Speaker 1: Justin and Kylie Colson, the parents of six daughters. Kylie,
[1:20] Speaker 1: if you were to describe yourself as either an alpha
[1:24] Speaker 1: mum or a beta mum, as a Type A or
[1:27] Speaker 1: a Type B mum, where would you land on that
[1:31] Speaker 1: very brief description.
[1:32] Speaker 3: You're hilarious because why do we have to label everything? Honestly,
[1:39] Speaker 3: there's a label for everything.
[1:41] Speaker 1: I know. I know. So I've spent the last fifteen
[1:43] Speaker 1: minutes reading an article to you from the Wall Street Journal.
[1:45] Speaker 1: At the end of it, we looked at each other
[1:47] Speaker 1: and just went, this is ridiculous. But it actually merits
[1:50] Speaker 1: a conversation because the influencers who are creating these new
[1:56] Speaker 1: parenting styles and creating these labels have literally millions of mums,
[2:01] Speaker 1: millions of parents who are following them and saying, oh,
[2:05] Speaker 1: you're my new influence. You're the new person that I
[2:07] Speaker 1: want to follow, so I want to just step through
[2:09] Speaker 1: this article.
[2:10] Speaker 3: I find it curious that we have this a desperate
[2:15] Speaker 3: need to get outside the box and not do what
[2:19] Speaker 3: everybody else does. But in the process of doing that,
[2:22] Speaker 3: we find a label that we can identify with that
[2:26] Speaker 3: suggests somebody understands me, and inevitably we box ourselves back
[2:31] Speaker 3: in again. Why are we doing this?
[2:32] Speaker 1: Well, I just find it really extreme. So I want
[2:34] Speaker 1: to read just a couple of paragraphs from this and
[2:36] Speaker 1: give you on a Rachel Wolf in the Wall Street
[2:38] Speaker 1: Journal says, some nights after Sophie Jaffie is already in bed,
[2:41] Speaker 1: her phone will ping with a new video from her
[2:43] Speaker 1: thirteen year old son that shows him doing a backflip
[2:46] Speaker 1: off a concrete wall or standing on someone's shoulders. She
[2:49] Speaker 1: usually won't know precisely where in Los Angeles ears, or
[2:53] Speaker 1: for that matter, the whereabouts of his fifteen year old
[2:56] Speaker 1: brother either, as long as they're home by curfew and
[2:57] Speaker 1: have been well behaved that week, the teens are allowed
[2:59] Speaker 1: to set their own schedules. And it goes on to
[3:01] Speaker 1: talk about how like this is, this is that standard idea,
[3:06] Speaker 1: it's just a new name for free range parenting. But
[3:08] Speaker 1: parents in this are basically saying, we've been overscheduling our kids.
[3:13] Speaker 1: The expectations have been really high. Everyone's been going on
[3:16] Speaker 1: and on about how they've got to get their kids
[3:17] Speaker 1: to do as well at school as they can and
[3:19] Speaker 1: to fulfill their potential and set them up for success
[3:21] Speaker 1: because cost of living and house prices, all that sort
[3:24] Speaker 1: of stuff. And this new group of parents are saying, no, no, no,
[3:27] Speaker 1: we're better parents rather than type A, and we're just
[3:30] Speaker 1: taking the pressure off. I mean I read that and
[3:33] Speaker 1: I thought, no, this is actually neglectful. Like if your kids,
[3:35] Speaker 1: if you don't know where they are and they're thirteen
[3:37] Speaker 1: and fifteen, they're riding up down the street on e
[3:39] Speaker 1: bikes and doing backflips and you're in bed like it's
[3:42] Speaker 1: nine o'clock at night. Sorry, but that's not how this
[3:46] Speaker 1: is supposed to work.
[3:47] Speaker 3: I actually have a slightly different kind of, I guess
[3:50] Speaker 3: view on all of this. I look at how many
[3:55] Speaker 3: of our generation are becoming estranged from their parents because
[4:00] Speaker 3: they've held their parents to this standard of parenting. In
[4:05] Speaker 3: today's time, with all that we understand and know about
[4:10] Speaker 3: children's needs their development that was not necessarily well known
[4:15] Speaker 3: right in our parents' time.
[4:17] Speaker 1: You're saying that today's adults are saying to their parents,
[4:20] Speaker 1: you did allows each.
[4:21] Speaker 3: You did a bad job, right, But in the process
[4:23] Speaker 3: of doing that, they've severed relationships with their parents, they're
[4:27] Speaker 3: now holding themselves as a parent. Me you, we're holding
[4:31] Speaker 3: ourselves at a standard that our parents could never have
[4:34] Speaker 3: lived by and have completely over complicated.
[4:40] Speaker 1: Their lives, their lives and their children's lives because and
[4:45] Speaker 1: also support of their parents, because they've estranged themselves from them,
[4:48] Speaker 1: because there's so much judgment and all that sort of things.
[4:50] Speaker 3: Well, what do our children need to thrive?
[4:52] Speaker 1: Because I'm a parenting expert, I actually do have the
[4:54] Speaker 1: answer to that. Before I give you that answer, though,
[4:56] Speaker 1: can I just say this, and I said this on
[4:58] Speaker 1: the podcast a lot, but it bears repeating. Can we
[5:01] Speaker 1: just be sensible and stop listening to social media influences
[5:05] Speaker 1: for our parenting advice? Do they have some wisdom? Probably,
[5:08] Speaker 1: but it's always so extreme. Got to be type A,
[5:11] Speaker 1: gotta be alpha, got to be like Amy Chow and
[5:13] Speaker 1: her Battle hym of the Tiger Mother, right, and everyone's
[5:16] Speaker 1: reading that book and going, oh, thank god, is I'm
[5:18] Speaker 1: not like that? But everyone's sort of going, But I
[5:20] Speaker 1: do need to get my kids learning the violin or
[5:21] Speaker 1: the piano or doing their swimming lessons or whatever, because
[5:24] Speaker 1: I want them to achieve. And the backlash the pendulum
[5:28] Speaker 1: now in this article in the Wall Street Journal has
[5:30] Speaker 1: swung entirely to the other end, where people are saying, no,
[5:33] Speaker 1: we're not playing that game anymore. We're just gonna chill.
[5:36] Speaker 1: We're going to relax, We're going to have some me time.
[5:38] Speaker 1: We're going to let the kids figure it out for
[5:40] Speaker 1: themselves and they'll be okay. We want them to follow
[5:42] Speaker 1: their bliss. We want them to live their best lives,
[5:44] Speaker 1: whatever that best life is, even if it means that
[5:46] Speaker 1: they don't do that well at school, because how important
[5:48] Speaker 1: is school really?
[5:49] Speaker 3: So I just want to kind of strip this back
[5:50] Speaker 3: for a bit. You and I came from completely different backgrounds, Yeah,
[5:53] Speaker 3: completely different.
[5:54] Speaker 1: You had everything, so My parents were entrepreneurial. They sent
[5:58] Speaker 1: me to a private school. They have been all the
[6:00] Speaker 1: extracurricular activities. They bought me whatever I needed and frankly wanted,
[6:04] Speaker 1: went on lots of holidays, and they really wanted me
[6:06] Speaker 1: to fulfill my potential. And of course I squandered it.
[6:08] Speaker 1: I failed high school and didn't appreciate all of the
[6:11] Speaker 1: good things that they did. I quit swimming lessons, I
[6:13] Speaker 1: quit piano, I quit whatever else they put me into.
[6:15] Speaker 1: I just wanted to do my own thing, go surfing
[6:17] Speaker 1: and play music and work on the radio.
[6:19] Speaker 3: So for all intents and purposes, you lived a really
[6:22] Speaker 3: privileged life.
[6:23] Speaker 1: No doubt, and had no idea. I had no idea
[6:26] Speaker 1: how privileged until I was too old and living on
[6:29] Speaker 1: my own and realized that, oh my goodness, I can't
[6:31] Speaker 1: get near those things back. But it was good, It
[6:34] Speaker 1: could have been really good, but I squandered it.
[6:36] Speaker 3: I came from what I guess you would consider the
[6:38] Speaker 3: Aussie battler. Oh yeah, yeah, Like my parents didn't have
[6:42] Speaker 3: a lot of money. I didn't do any extracurricular activities.
[6:47] Speaker 1: I public school all the way through.
[6:49] Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I didn't have those kinds of opportunities. But
[6:53] Speaker 3: does that mean that my life that I haven't had
[6:56] Speaker 3: a successful life, that I haven't been able to contribute
[6:58] Speaker 3: to society because I missed out on all of those
[7:01] Speaker 3: all of those privileges.
[7:02] Speaker 1: Well, this is what I say when I do my
[7:03] Speaker 1: parenting workshops on resilience. I'm like, why are we bashing
[7:06] Speaker 1: our kids so hard to achieve their potential?
[7:08] Speaker 3: Like I didn't go to university if you don't have
[7:11] Speaker 3: an extra qualification.
[7:12] Speaker 1: Do you know that two thirds of Australian adults didn't
[7:14] Speaker 1: go to university, and yet they're still making great contributions,
[7:17] Speaker 1: enormous contributions to the world as society, to their families,
[7:20] Speaker 1: to their organizations they work for, whatever it might be,
[7:23] Speaker 1: their social groups, their churches, the sports club. Like. The
[7:27] Speaker 1: expectations are just bizarre. They're all topsy turvy.
[7:30] Speaker 3: And I just I think that expectation is the right word.
[7:34] Speaker 3: We have this unrealistic expectation and add so much pressure
[7:38] Speaker 3: to not only our lives financially as we strive to
[7:41] Speaker 3: give these kids a privileged life, but we also forget
[7:47] Speaker 3: the fundamentals of what actually makes for a happy child.
[7:51] Speaker 3: And our goal isn't happy, right, Our goal isn't happy,
[7:56] Speaker 3: But our goal is creating a safe environment where our
[8:00] Speaker 3: children can flourish and grow. Yeah.
[8:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, So my favorite word, and you've heard me saying
[8:05] Speaker 1: this a lot lately, is enlargement. Don't choose happiness, choose enlargement.
[8:08] Speaker 1: What can you do where there's going to be some growth,
[8:10] Speaker 1: some developments, some insights, some learning, some build up. Is
[8:14] Speaker 1: that type A I don't think so. I think that's
[8:15] Speaker 1: just let's get our priorities right. And I don't know. Again,
[8:20] Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to that point that I made.
[8:21] Speaker 1: These influences are all about pushing for extremes because that's
[8:25] Speaker 1: what the algorithm responds to. That's what gets people fired up,
[8:28] Speaker 1: and that's what gets articles written about you in the
[8:29] Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. So you ask the question before missus
[8:32] Speaker 1: Happy Families, what do kids actually need? After the break,
[8:35] Speaker 1: I'm going to give you the three things that kids need,
[8:38] Speaker 1: and none of them are extreme. You won't find any
[8:40] Speaker 1: of them really on social media.
[8:42] Speaker 3: In anything cost you anything, none.
[8:44] Speaker 1: Can cost you anything. You can you can send your
[8:46] Speaker 1: kids to public school and they can still have these
[8:48] Speaker 1: things and they'll actually end up being more resilient and
[8:50] Speaker 1: better off than anything that you'll find on a social
[8:54] Speaker 1: media platform. Stay with this, We're back. This is the
[9:05] Speaker 1: Happy Family's podcast where you get real parenting solutions every
[9:07] Speaker 1: single day. We can do this really fast, Kylie. The
[9:10] Speaker 1: three things that I think children need so that they
[9:12] Speaker 1: can thrive in their lives. They all start with L.
[9:15] Speaker 1: They're really easy to memorize. I have shared them on
[9:17] Speaker 1: the pod before, but it's been a long long time.
[9:20] Speaker 1: They need love, they need limits, they need laughter, full stop.
[9:23] Speaker 1: End of story.
[9:24] Speaker 3: Well, my back pocket's like in these a lot that's unhappen.
[9:29] Speaker 1: It's a lot cheaper than all the other.
[9:31] Speaker 3: No tennis lessons, no shoes to find, no rackets.
[9:34] Speaker 1: Yeah. Love it's about connection. When the kids walk in
[9:37] Speaker 1: the door, what do they see on your face? Do
[9:40] Speaker 1: they see delight and joy or do they see a wrinkled,
[9:43] Speaker 1: furrowed brow and an accusing stare because they haven't cleaned
[9:47] Speaker 1: their room or they didn't wear their school cap home
[9:50] Speaker 1: or whatever it might be? Like, love is about connection,
[9:52] Speaker 1: feeling seen, herd valued and accepted. Kids feel love t
[9:56] Speaker 1: im just like dollars of the currency of our economy.
[10:00] Speaker 1: Connection is the currency of our relationships. This is the
[10:02] Speaker 1: stuff that I've been shouting from the rooftops for the
[10:05] Speaker 1: last fifteen to twenty years.
[10:06] Speaker 3: So I'm a really visual person. And when you say love,
[10:13] Speaker 3: the ultimate picture for me, the ultimate vision is having
[10:16] Speaker 3: all of my children around the dinner table on Sunday night, laughing, laughing,
[10:21] Speaker 3: sharing stories, confessing to all of their misdemeanors that we
[10:24] Speaker 3: didn't know anything about. That is the epitome of love
[10:28] Speaker 3: because you can only do that. Number one if you've
[10:32] Speaker 3: built the environment where that's okay firstly, and number two
[10:35] Speaker 3: where kids feel safe enough that they can share right,
[10:38] Speaker 3: So that doesn't cost you anything.
[10:42] Speaker 1: It costs you time. And Mark Twain said this. Mark
[10:44] Speaker 1: Twain said that we are always too busy for our children.
[10:47] Speaker 1: We never give them the time or interest they deserve.
[10:49] Speaker 1: We lavish gifts upon them at the most precious gift,
[10:51] Speaker 1: our personal association, which means so much to them, we
[10:54] Speaker 1: give grudgingly. And I've got another quote here on my
[10:57] Speaker 1: desk that I look at every single day. It's from
[10:59] Speaker 1: Simone who said attention is the rarest and purest form
[11:05] Speaker 1: of generosity. How beautiful is that? So l ov love
[11:09] Speaker 1: that's the first thing that kids need. They don't need
[11:11] Speaker 1: an alpha parent or a beater parent. And by the way,
[11:13] Speaker 1: you can be an alpha parent and a beat parent
[11:15] Speaker 1: and show love. But it's not about you saying of
[11:19] Speaker 1: course I love my child. It's about your child saying
[11:22] Speaker 1: of course I feel loved by my parents. And that's
[11:25] Speaker 1: the critical thing. Their perception is the reality, not yours.
[11:29] Speaker 1: Second one, limits love does not mean that kids get
[11:33] Speaker 1: a free ride. It doesn't mean that kids don't have
[11:35] Speaker 1: boundaries and systems and expectations and structure in their lives.
[11:40] Speaker 1: Kids need to have limits, They need to have rules.
[11:42] Speaker 1: They need to be expectations, which means that you're thirteen
[11:46] Speaker 1: year old probably should not be out roaming the streets
[11:48] Speaker 1: on their e bike or e scooter when you're at
[11:50] Speaker 1: home in bed and it's nine o'clock at night, which
[11:52] Speaker 1: came out of that first paragraph of that Wall Street
[11:54] Speaker 1: Journal article and I read and I just thought, no,
[11:56] Speaker 1: that's that's just not how it's supposed to be. Limits
[11:59] Speaker 1: mean now ideally so structure, structure, and limits are associated
[12:04] Speaker 1: with health and happiness and doing well. But that structure
[12:10] Speaker 1: is most likely to have that association with those positive
[12:13] Speaker 1: outcomes health and happiness and so on when it's been
[12:16] Speaker 1: developed in what I talk about as an autonomy supportive way.
[12:19] Speaker 1: In other words, when you're having conversations with the kids
[12:22] Speaker 1: and saying, what are the limits, what are the structures?
[12:24] Speaker 1: How are we going to build this in a way
[12:25] Speaker 1: that we can both feel good about it and using
[12:28] Speaker 1: my wisdom as an adult, we can know that we're
[12:30] Speaker 1: keeping you safe. A case in point, just the other
[12:33] Speaker 1: day we were having some challenges one of the kids,
[12:35] Speaker 1: so I sat down with her and I said, what
[12:36] Speaker 1: is it that you actually want in our How do
[12:38] Speaker 1: you want our family to.
[12:39] Speaker 3: Feel or how do you want to feel being in
[12:41] Speaker 3: our own.
[12:42] Speaker 1: That's right, and we were fortunate enough that it took
[12:45] Speaker 1: us some time. But once she had calmed herself down
[12:47] Speaker 1: a little bit, she was like, I don't want to
[12:48] Speaker 1: feel like I'm feeling right now. And so it was like, well,
[12:51] Speaker 1: how do we create a structure in our family? How
[12:53] Speaker 1: do we create a structure within our relationships that works
[12:56] Speaker 1: for everyone so that we're not all feeling like this.
[13:00] Speaker 1: We had a really productive conversation because she had a
[13:02] Speaker 1: voice in that conversation, she started to work on some
[13:04] Speaker 1: solutions with us. It's pretty hard going, but she's been
[13:07] Speaker 1: a different child since we had that conversation. So you've
[13:09] Speaker 1: got love that underpins the development of the limits. Whole
[13:13] Speaker 1: lot of autonomy support in there, and it makes a difference.
[13:15] Speaker 1: And the third L Kyle, it's my favorite one and
[13:18] Speaker 1: we talk about it on the podcast all the time.
[13:19] Speaker 1: It's laughter, Like if you want to have a happy family,
[13:22] Speaker 1: you need to laugh.
[13:24] Speaker 2: If you're not laughing, it's not going to be very
[13:26] Speaker 2: fun if everyone if everyone is a really serious all
[13:29] Speaker 2: the time, if we're running from pillar to post, or
[13:31] Speaker 2: if we're too chill and the kids are not actually engaging.
[13:35] Speaker 1: We're missing out on opportunities to connect and to laugh.
[13:39] Speaker 1: Love limits laughter. We don't need extreme parenting styles. We
[13:43] Speaker 1: don't need advice from social media. We don't need another label.
[13:48] Speaker 1: We just need to raise our kids and stop thinking
[13:50] Speaker 1: about it so hard.
[13:52] Speaker 3: I think about laughter, and what I love about laughter
[13:56] Speaker 3: is for our kids. I think that it helps them
[13:59] Speaker 3: to see our humanity. Where the adults in the room,
[14:03] Speaker 3: we're the ones who take life seriously, we've got to
[14:05] Speaker 3: pay the bills, you know, we're kind of doing the
[14:07] Speaker 3: big people things. But when we can laugh with them,
[14:11] Speaker 3: laugh at ourselves, laugh together, it reminds them, number one,
[14:16] Speaker 3: that we're human. But it brings us down to their level.
[14:19] Speaker 3: And that's what's so powerful to me about laughter.
[14:22] Speaker 1: Well, I would just old tweak that. I know I'm
[14:23] Speaker 1: being a little bit banandic here, but I wouldn't say
[14:25] Speaker 1: it brings us down to their level as much as
[14:26] Speaker 1: I would say elevates them. Well, it brings us all
[14:29] Speaker 1: to the same level. Yeah, okay, yeah, because otherwise it's like,
[14:33] Speaker 1: are we really above them?
[14:34] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[14:35] Speaker 1: Anyway. You can be an alpha parent, you can be
[14:37] Speaker 1: a better parent, you can be a helicopter parent. You
[14:39] Speaker 1: can be a tiger parent. You can do whatever you want.
[14:42] Speaker 3: You can just be a parent doing the best that
[14:44] Speaker 3: you are doing.
[14:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, and be okay with that. I heard this thing.
[14:48] Speaker 1: There's a guy who does a podcast, is quite well known,
[14:51] Speaker 1: making a really big name for himself, particularly around the
[14:53] Speaker 1: whole boys and manhood sort of stuff. His name Scott Galloway,
[14:56] Speaker 1: and he said this in a thing that somebody sent
[14:59] Speaker 1: me because I don't have so media, but somebody sent
[15:00] Speaker 1: this to me. He said this. He said in terms
[15:04] Speaker 1: of are you doing a good job as a parent.
[15:06] Speaker 1: If you're doing a better job as a parent than
[15:09] Speaker 1: your parents did with you, then you've understood the instructions,
[15:11] Speaker 1: You've done it well. And if you're judging your parents
[15:13] Speaker 1: for not being good, just pause for a moment and
[15:15] Speaker 1: ask yourself, are they doing a better job than their
[15:17] Speaker 1: parents did with them? Because if they've done a better
[15:20] Speaker 1: job than their parents did with them, they understood the
[15:22] Speaker 1: instructions and they got it right. We need to stop
[15:24] Speaker 1: judging them and just appreciate that they had a decent crack.
[15:29] Speaker 3: For me, the clarity that I get from that is,
[15:32] Speaker 3: how can I sit in my seat knowing all of
[15:35] Speaker 3: my imperfections as a parent and hold my parents to
[15:39] Speaker 3: a standard that I myself am not able to live.
[15:44] Speaker 3: It's about grace. If we can just give each other grace.
[15:47] Speaker 1: Yeap, love it. Thanks so much for listening. Hey, this
[15:50] Speaker 1: week really really exciting week. On the podcast tomorrow we're
[15:53] Speaker 1: answering a question from Marlene from Melbourne who wants to
[15:56] Speaker 1: know you've got a big family, how do you keep
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[16:14] Speaker 1: He's got a brand new book out about resilience and
[16:16] Speaker 1: mental toughness. It's called Let It Be Tough. And I'm
[16:19] Speaker 1: going to pick his brains on Wednesday about how we
[16:22] Speaker 1: can teach our kids those skills, those resilience skills that
[16:26] Speaker 1: he had to adopt to set world records in free
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