# Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 102: Decompressions

An episode of [My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1074507850), 24 Jun 2026, 1 h 50 min.

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It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia! This week, K & G recap Episode 102: Decompressions. Karen discussed the Beast of Jersey and Georgia covered the Cleveland Torso Killer. Tune in for all-new commentary, case updates and more! Whether you've listened a thousand times or you're new to the show, join the conversation as we look back on our old episodes and discuss the life lessons we’ve learned along the way. Head to social media to share your favorite moments from this episode! Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurder TikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder Now with updated sources and photos: https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. The Exactly Right podcast network provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics, including true crime, comedy, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:16] Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.
[0:21] Speaker 2: This is the show where we unpack our old episodes
[0:24] Speaker 2: from our twenty eighteen Suitcase plus case updates.
[0:27] Speaker 1: Today we're rewinding the episode one oh two, which we
[0:30] Speaker 1: named Decompressions.
[0:32] Speaker 2: This episode originally came out on January fourth, twenty eighteen.
[0:35] Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. The intro of episode
[0:38] Speaker 1: one oh two.
[0:43] Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, and welcome to Do you know what our
[0:49] Speaker 2: favorite murder is? I just ran up the new name
[0:52] Speaker 2: of a podcast? Do you know what? I was saying? No?
[0:55] Speaker 2: Do you need a rhyme? We can start? Sorry?
[0:58] Speaker 1: Sorry, I was going to say how it feels like
[1:02] Speaker 1: it's been a while?
[1:03] Speaker 2: It's been? Oh no, sorry, that's quite a vacation. My
[1:07] Speaker 2: favorite murder Jesus Christ. Like, I haven't done that one
[1:12] Speaker 2: in a while either. I felt like I've been I
[1:14] Speaker 2: only have one podcast now, so if I had gotten
[1:16] Speaker 2: it wrong, I would have been a that would have
[1:18] Speaker 2: been really hurtful. Yeah. How is it just having your
[1:21] Speaker 2: own podcast? I feel so free? What's your next podcast
[1:26] Speaker 2: going to be?
[1:27] Speaker 1: I'm just going to do something with more homework, even
[1:29] Speaker 1: I'm just going to do something where all all I
[1:31] Speaker 1: do is homework.
[1:33] Speaker 2: That's a good idea. Just quiet pencil, pencil on paper, sound,
[1:36] Speaker 2: just constant work working like more of an a SMR. Yeah.
[1:41] Speaker 2: I don't ever think I'm saying that right, but but.
[1:43] Speaker 1: I have to actually do the work, so I have
[1:45] Speaker 1: even less time to do anything.
[1:47] Speaker 2: Good idea, you should you just go into some like math,
[1:50] Speaker 2: like long division, Like where would you leave off in math?
[1:53] Speaker 2: Would you like to get back to in math?
[1:55] Speaker 1: I mean I don't even know the basics.
[1:58] Speaker 2: Addition, I can do that you could do some basic Yeah. Yeah.
[2:01] Speaker 2: I saw a really cool video about how and from
[2:05] Speaker 2: what I remember, it said, people, I think in Japan
[2:08] Speaker 2: do multiplication of long numbers. Yeah, and it was like
[2:13] Speaker 2: it looked like they were making a tic tac toe box?
[2:15] Speaker 2: Did you see that video? Yeah?
[2:17] Speaker 1: And what drives me crazy about it is that it's
[2:20] Speaker 1: that thing of like people learn in different ways. We
[2:23] Speaker 1: don't all have this one way of learning. I'm sorry,
[2:25] Speaker 1: I'm mad at the public school.
[2:26] Speaker 2: System because they haven't adapted to anything modern.
[2:31] Speaker 1: Because I didn't get it, and so then I was
[2:33] Speaker 1: stupid Instead of like that, maybe I just needed to
[2:35] Speaker 1: learn in a different way.
[2:37] Speaker 2: Right, like how to either a a better teacher, be
[2:39] Speaker 2: a better approach, right or better? You know?
[2:42] Speaker 1: I think nowadays they have a lot more what's the
[2:45] Speaker 1: word Montessori?
[2:46] Speaker 2: Shit? No, and I went to Montosori. I did too.
[2:51] Speaker 1: My god, it didn't work for you? I mean work
[2:54] Speaker 1: in what way?
[2:54] Speaker 2: I learned how to?
[2:55] Speaker 1: I learned how to wash my feet at the washing
[2:56] Speaker 1: feet station? Well, it's a washing feed station.
[3:00] Speaker 2: Were you of the old West?
[3:03] Speaker 1: I just remember it, like there's like the chalk's chalk
[3:06] Speaker 1: station and this station met and then there was like
[3:09] Speaker 1: a bucket and you could go outside and lost your feet.
[3:12] Speaker 1: That is so weird now that I'm talking about it.
[3:14] Speaker 1: I didn't need to talk to my sister about this.
[3:17] Speaker 2: Were you this is an irvine? Yeah? Did you have goats? Now?
[3:22] Speaker 2: Were there any Was there any reason I have a
[3:24] Speaker 2: bucket besides children's dirty feet? No? Was your teacher germophobe? Probably?
[3:30] Speaker 1: I think she must have had an issue with dirty
[3:33] Speaker 1: children's feet?
[3:34] Speaker 2: Why were your shoes off?
[3:36] Speaker 1: I don't know school Again, I'm figuring out right now
[3:41] Speaker 1: that this is weird, and I want to text my
[3:43] Speaker 1: sister to make sure I have this memory correct.
[3:45] Speaker 2: I'm calling Janet.
[3:46] Speaker 1: Call Janet and ask her right now, I told you
[3:49] Speaker 1: how I was supposed to go to therapy with my mom? Yeah,
[3:52] Speaker 1: did I tell you that I gave her the wrong
[3:54] Speaker 1: day and she showed up like two days early.
[4:00] Speaker 2: Was she pissed? No, it was fine. We ended up
[4:04] Speaker 2: making up anyways. Well that's good. Yeah, I mean that's
[4:08] Speaker 2: what counts. Do you think that subconsciously you may have
[4:11] Speaker 2: done that so you didn't have to do it? Definitely? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
[4:14] Speaker 2: Don't you think that's usually why I do stuff like that?
[4:18] Speaker 2: And now it's so over to me that I might
[4:20] Speaker 2: as well just be like, I'm not going to be there. Probably, Hey,
[4:25] Speaker 2: let's me. I've done it to you a thousand times.
[4:27] Speaker 2: But that's not normally, that's not I don't want to
[4:30] Speaker 2: be there. I don't talk my way out of this.
[4:32] Speaker 2: But normally that's just I can't get that fucking calendar
[4:37] Speaker 2: on my phone to do the right thing. I can't
[4:40] Speaker 2: never do it. Yeah, it's a tricky little fucker. It
[4:44] Speaker 2: goes backwards in time. Have I talked about this? It
[4:47] Speaker 2: makes me crazy.
[4:50] Speaker 1: You had a recommendation, didn't you?
[4:52] Speaker 2: Oh you know, we got Stephen. Stephen pulled this the
[4:55] Speaker 2: email for h uh in Louis In reference to Visa
[5:01] Speaker 2: V episode one hundred. Hey y'all includes everyone in their
[5:06] Speaker 2: goddamn animals. First off, love the show. I've been listening
[5:11] Speaker 2: since after episode three. Went to the live show on
[5:13] Speaker 2: Austin used to play poker with David Temple for two years.
[5:16] Speaker 2: This is after he allegedly murdered his wife. Yep. Wow.
[5:20] Speaker 2: I'm also obsessed with the yogurt shot murders anyway, So
[5:23] Speaker 2: that's not even about what this is about. Okay, Karen
[5:27] Speaker 2: said an asteroid came three miles from Oh no, you
[5:32] Speaker 2: just say no more. I just don't even say anything else.
[5:36] Speaker 2: It's so good.
[5:38] Speaker 1: As you say that, I'm like, that's impossible.
[5:40] Speaker 2: No, three mile. Here's the thing, and some people get
[5:45] Speaker 2: very pizzed off about this. We just fucking say what
[5:48] Speaker 2: say shit, We just say whatever and then clean up
[5:51] Speaker 2: the mess after. Some people are very bothered by that.
[5:54] Speaker 2: But man, that's funny. How far up is like the ozone?
[5:59] Speaker 2: I don't know, it's probably more than three miles.
[6:02] Speaker 1: And as you said it on the podcast, then I
[6:04] Speaker 1: was like, okay, uh huh.
[6:05] Speaker 2: And then the minute that came out of your mouth,
[6:07] Speaker 2: I was.
[6:07] Speaker 1: Like, no, just now, but not I don't question you
[6:11] Speaker 1: until someone else questions you that that's.
[6:13] Speaker 2: My whole act is. It's just very believable bullshit taking.
[6:19] Speaker 2: And who am I to question? I mean, who are
[6:21] Speaker 2: you of all people to question me? The queen of Spain? Okay,
[6:25] Speaker 2: I don't even know math three miles you and your
[6:28] Speaker 2: dirty bucket feet? Never question me? Okay, okay, no, go ahead,
[6:33] Speaker 2: shoot this day. I can't go barefoot. No, I have
[6:35] Speaker 2: a barefoot issue. Yeah, that's right.
[6:38] Speaker 1: What did fucking village Montessori do to me?
[6:40] Speaker 2: What did they do to your feet? Who was on
[6:43] Speaker 2: the bottom of that bucket? Who hurt my feet? Rub
[6:45] Speaker 2: in your feet? Ew? Sorry? Back to the asteroid okay, anyway,
[6:51] Speaker 2: Karen said, an asteroid came three miles from hitting the earth,
[6:54] Speaker 2: but sorry, asterix pushes up nerd glasses. But it was
[6:59] Speaker 2: a three mile wide asteroid that came six point four
[7:02] Speaker 2: million miles close. I think that sounds more right. I'm
[7:07] Speaker 2: gonna go with her whatever she said. Does that sound better?
[7:10] Speaker 2: I'm on her side. Quite Oh, you're being sexist by
[7:13] Speaker 2: assuming it's a female scientist and being pro sexist. That's right. Finally,
[7:18] Speaker 2: proactive sexism quite a bit of a difference, but I
[7:22] Speaker 2: get it. Live your sexy life like an asteroid is
[7:24] Speaker 2: about to straight up murder assault. This would be great
[7:28] Speaker 2: for corrections corner. You're so racket about that. All the
[7:32] Speaker 2: best and lots of love. Brian, that's rad Brian, Brian
[7:37] Speaker 2: the girl now he has He also has a second
[7:42] Speaker 2: name in the middle. That's also a boy's name. Okay,
[7:44] Speaker 2: so I can confirm Brian as a boy.
[7:46] Speaker 1: Well I don't. I am not sexist. So I thought
[7:49] Speaker 1: it was a woman.
[7:51] Speaker 2: I thought it was my daughter. That is so goddamn funny.
[7:56] Speaker 2: That is great, It felt right. Yeah, is he man's
[8:00] Speaker 2: planning asteroids to us though? Well, it clearly we need it.
[8:03] Speaker 1: He's explaining, I'm sorry, he's meant to say explaining.
[8:06] Speaker 2: He's plain explaining it, to explain it postph e'splaining, straight
[8:12] Speaker 2: up explaining. That's my new podcast where people explain shit
[8:15] Speaker 2: to me. Oh that's good, straight up. You just introduce it, Yeah,
[8:19] Speaker 2: get the idea going, and then just let other people
[8:22] Speaker 2: talk about the facts. Hey, explain this to me. I
[8:25] Speaker 2: have never realized how consistently wrong I can be up
[8:29] Speaker 2: until this point. It's a real humbling experience through the podcast. Yeah, yeah,
[8:34] Speaker 2: but I wonder do you in your daily life. Now,
[8:39] Speaker 2: do you question yourself? Oh every moment as you're hypothesizing boldly,
[8:45] Speaker 2: But I don't. I mean, like, usually, if somebody stands
[8:48] Speaker 2: around goes no, actually that's not true, I'll go, oh, okay,
[8:51] Speaker 2: because at this point I can't really argue it. Yeah,
[8:55] Speaker 2: It's happened so many times, and I'll be like, oh,
[8:57] Speaker 2: all right, you know you don't go are you sure? Oh?
[9:01] Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll do that, But and sometimes I can see
[9:04] Speaker 2: it in my mind's eye of like I can see
[9:06] Speaker 2: the headline in my head it says three miles away.
[9:10] Speaker 2: But that's also my add from being on Twitter too
[9:14] Speaker 2: much and reading articles. I just read four words in
[9:18] Speaker 2: the headline of an article, Karen, I can't do Twitter
[9:20] Speaker 2: anymore because it's just killing it is it driving you crazy?
[9:23] Speaker 1: It's awful now, it's really I just can't do it anymore.
[9:27] Speaker 2: It's making me really depressed. It's very depressing. My problem
[9:30] Speaker 2: is it's where all my friends are. Many many of
[9:34] Speaker 2: my friends that I talk to the most are there,
[9:38] Speaker 2: as tragic as that is to.
[9:39] Speaker 1: Say out loud, So maybe you just can have conversations,
[9:42] Speaker 1: but I just like read shit.
[9:44] Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's I don't I try not to read
[9:46] Speaker 2: that much, Okay, and when I do, I do it inaccurately. Okay. Yeah, well,
[9:52] Speaker 2: I mean listen if it's working for you. Look, I
[9:55] Speaker 2: like it can listen if it's working for you. No,
[9:57] Speaker 2: but I will say this for resolutions. I don't know
[10:00] Speaker 2: if you're comfortable doing some resolutions right now. I did it.
[10:03] Speaker 2: But as we say this, because part of why I
[10:06] Speaker 2: think that was just so funny to me is because
[10:08] Speaker 2: I haven't really talked to another person in like three
[10:12] Speaker 2: days except for textees. I've just been sitting on my
[10:17] Speaker 2: couch watching British people solve crime for like seventy two
[10:21] Speaker 2: straight hours, and I have to stop doing go bless you.
[10:24] Speaker 2: I have to. I have toriving you crazy. Yeah, I'm
[10:28] Speaker 2: I have to leave my house. I have to give
[10:31] Speaker 2: the world a try, like I have to do things.
[10:36] Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
[10:37] Speaker 1: You've already done that, yes or no? True, it's been bad.
[10:42] Speaker 2: Failed you. You've been sick, yes or no? Yes, very sick.
[10:47] Speaker 1: See you just went like two weeks with family members
[10:49] Speaker 1: constantly and friends.
[10:51] Speaker 2: That's right, you're having a decompression. Okay, thank you, thank
[10:54] Speaker 2: you for walking me out of that darkness. Yeah. But
[10:57] Speaker 2: you know what, My decompressions go on too long. Yeah,
[11:00] Speaker 2: and then yeah, and then I'm just in the weirdest
[11:05] Speaker 2: and just too weird of a place. But I would
[11:07] Speaker 2: also say that I've been on a six year decompression
[11:10] Speaker 2: but needs to wrap itself up relatively quickly. Can we
[11:14] Speaker 2: start on Friday?
[11:15] Speaker 3: Okay?
[11:15] Speaker 2: Can we say Friday? Write that down in your how
[11:18] Speaker 2: about Friday eleven? And then we have that phone call
[11:21] Speaker 2: etleven thirty right? Perfect?
[11:22] Speaker 1: And then you have to I actually had to hire
[11:25] Speaker 1: or like have my old life coach come back, yeah,
[11:31] Speaker 1: because I was fucking up hard like that. Yeah. And
[11:35] Speaker 1: one of the things we talked about was just put
[11:37] Speaker 1: some makeup on on leave the fucking house.
[11:39] Speaker 2: There was one time I called you when you were
[11:41] Speaker 2: in a cafe, and in my mind, I was like, Wow,
[11:44] Speaker 2: she's got it all. It's like a dream come true.
[11:48] Speaker 1: Changes everything when you have to I never thought of it, dude,
[11:52] Speaker 1: you it changes my fucking entire daycause then you, oh
[11:56] Speaker 1: my god, like today. I've left the house once in
[11:59] Speaker 1: the past, since Your's Eve, since NAAR's Day, and it
[12:03] Speaker 1: was to eat oysters last night. And I don't think
[12:05] Speaker 1: I've been around anyone but Vince. Yeah, he's basically the
[12:09] Speaker 1: same person as me at this point.
[12:11] Speaker 2: You guys are very similar, so we're like the same
[12:14] Speaker 2: per you know, your real team.
[12:15] Speaker 1: It's like being alone a little bit. Yeah, I can
[12:18] Speaker 1: see that. So we just talk about cats, our cats,
[12:20] Speaker 1: and pointing out things our cats are doing. It's pretty cool.
[12:23] Speaker 2: But you're also very funny. I mean I've been the
[12:26] Speaker 2: you know me. He we together. Thank you. You're real
[12:29] Speaker 2: witty to get. I really enjoy how you guys talk
[12:33] Speaker 2: to each other so much. It's really delightful and fun.
[12:36] Speaker 2: Thank you. You're fun to travel with. Thank you, so
[12:39] Speaker 2: are you? Yeah? Thanks? Yeah, that's nice. Goodbye, one more email.
[12:46] Speaker 2: This is just fun times. I can't believe twenty seventeen
[12:50] Speaker 2: is over. I know, I mean it's done. I know
[12:52] Speaker 2: it's a brand new year. Friend, I know, let's do it.
[12:56] Speaker 2: Let's absolutely do it. I mean, we have no choice.
[13:00] Speaker 2: I don't know. I really believe in myself to a
[13:05] Speaker 2: really fucked up degree. Well, no, your you, you have
[13:08] Speaker 2: a lot of choices, especially with this new podcast coming out,
[13:11] Speaker 2: because the direction first of all, just doubling up on podcasts.
[13:16] Speaker 2: It's gonna be great for you. Yeah, and then just
[13:18] Speaker 2: the directions you're gonna take it in. Yeah, it's just explaining.
[13:22] Speaker 1: I'm gonna learn and forget so much stuff.
[13:25] Speaker 2: It's gonna be great.
[13:26] Speaker 1: Information is gonna be coming at me.
[13:28] Speaker 2: I can't wait for you to not absorb any of it.
[13:32] Speaker 2: This is an email from Kaylee. It says, Hi, gals,
[13:35] Speaker 2: my name is Kaylee Carter, and I play Sadie Rose
[13:38] Speaker 2: in Godless. Oh fuck y'all. It was to my shock
[13:42] Speaker 2: and delight that I turned on the podcast to hear
[13:44] Speaker 2: our show as a source of delight to you. Oh
[13:47] Speaker 2: my god, and when your podcast is one of my
[13:49] Speaker 2: deep obsessions, Oh my god, along with true crime and
[13:52] Speaker 2: well anything murder related. It's so badass and inspiring to
[13:55] Speaker 2: hear ladies getting together to create. And what you've created
[13:58] Speaker 2: is so unfiltered. No, what are you fucking talking about?
[14:04] Speaker 2: Are you talking about? Oh? Sorry, sleep that, Kaylee? Sorry? Uh,
[14:09] Speaker 2: what you've created is so unfiltered, badass and empathetic. Just
[14:12] Speaker 2: wanted to let you know that the ladies of LaBelle
[14:14] Speaker 2: lost it on our communal text chain about you guys. Good.
[14:18] Speaker 2: I'm Kaylee Carter. Okay, sorry that was very self serving,
[14:21] Speaker 2: but oh my god, Stephen, that's a good email to
[14:23] Speaker 2: pull Yes, because I've been talking about this year NonStop.
[14:27] Speaker 2: Everyone's talking about I really loved it so much, really
[14:30] Speaker 2: really thought it was a beautiful piece of writing and work.
[14:34] Speaker 2: So good. Wow.
[14:36] Speaker 1: Thanks Kaylee, Thanks Kally, Hi to that text chain for us.
[14:39] Speaker 1: Can I okay? So I've been having really bad insomnia lately. Yeah,
[14:44] Speaker 1: as I do and can can I do a podcast corner?
[14:48] Speaker 1: Do podcast recommendation corner? So this chick has been keeping
[14:51] Speaker 1: me company. Wow, I can't sleep for like four hours
[14:54] Speaker 1: last night or three to seven. This was great in
[14:58] Speaker 1: my sleep phones. I highly I recommend them. This is
[15:01] Speaker 1: not an ad. They look like like a sweat band,
[15:03] Speaker 1: but they're like flat headphones in them.
[15:05] Speaker 2: Oh my god.
[15:06] Speaker 1: So uh she's this lovely, soothing voice and the topics
[15:10] Speaker 1: are really macab and weird. It's called The Strange and
[15:13] Speaker 1: Unusual Podcast. No, it's by Alison horrx h O R
[15:18] Speaker 1: O c k S, which sounds like a fucking carux.
[15:21] Speaker 2: It sounds like a spell.
[15:22] Speaker 1: It sounds like exactly from Harry Potter.
[15:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, the horror CROC.
[15:26] Speaker 1: There's ten episodes and they're like it's all macab and
[15:28] Speaker 1: like weird, you know, witchy old Gothic timy, you know
[15:33] Speaker 1: Catacombi stuff.
[15:35] Speaker 2: It's really good and true or is it stories? It's
[15:38] Speaker 2: true stories, true story. Let me throw those two together.
[15:44] Speaker 2: The one thing I didn't realize can be possible, it's
[15:47] Speaker 2: like it's true. It's almost like the strange.
[15:50] Speaker 1: I mean, the mysteries abound, yes, but she like does
[15:54] Speaker 1: all the writing herself and tells you about It's really good.
[15:56] Speaker 2: Sweet Paul Rex. Everybody, if you don't listen to Mysteries
[15:59] Speaker 2: about Yeah.
[15:59] Speaker 1: I got to so the Strange Unusual podcast. And it's
[16:01] Speaker 1: called that because from Beetlejuice when Lydia says, I am
[16:05] Speaker 1: myself a strange and unusual.
[16:07] Speaker 2: Oh thank you, Yes, I love it.
[16:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's just been kind of like keeping me
[16:11] Speaker 1: company the best.
[16:13] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well then if I'm to join you in this corner,
[16:17] Speaker 2: I will do my recommendation. The person that's been keeping
[16:19] Speaker 2: me company for my whole vacation, I can't remember. I
[16:25] Speaker 2: think I've seen like either a Ted talk or some
[16:28] Speaker 2: clip of him on British TV. But I in driving
[16:33] Speaker 2: knew that I wanted to get like do a deep
[16:35] Speaker 2: dive into something, yeah and actually maybe learn something. So
[16:38] Speaker 2: I looked up audio books by John Ronson, and he
[16:42] Speaker 2: is a British reporter and a podcaster. He does a
[16:47] Speaker 2: ton of stuff author, He's written a ton of books.
[16:49] Speaker 2: He wrote The Men Who Ster at Goats. He wrote
[16:52] Speaker 2: So You've been publicly shamed, which is all about the
[16:55] Speaker 2: social media thing. He's done all this stuff. So he
[16:57] Speaker 2: has a book, one of the ones I listened to.
[17:00] Speaker 2: It is called Lost at Sea, and it's just a
[17:02] Speaker 2: bunch of different stories and articles that he's written and
[17:05] Speaker 2: they they cover everything from people who disappear on cruise,
[17:10] Speaker 2: shis and basically the rash of that happening, the fuck
[17:13] Speaker 2: up uh huh.
[17:15] Speaker 1: To remember anything else, just being lost at sea in general,
[17:19] Speaker 1: just being lost at sea.
[17:20] Speaker 2: Like you have to listen to it. And he has Okay,
[17:23] Speaker 2: my very favorite thing. And I laughed so hard when
[17:26] Speaker 2: I was listening to this. I was in my room
[17:28] Speaker 2: at my sister's house. I was laughing so hard. I
[17:31] Speaker 2: was crying and I couldn't breathe, and I was sick,
[17:34] Speaker 2: so I felt I thought I was going to die.
[17:36] Speaker 2: He interviewed the Insane clown Posse after the Magnets, how
[17:40] Speaker 2: did they work? Song? Miracles came? And it is one
[17:44] Speaker 2: of the funniest because he is a very straightforward, very
[17:48] Speaker 2: plain spoken, and very direct interviewer, and he then re
[17:54] Speaker 2: enacts the like the two guys in Insane Clown Posse
[17:58] Speaker 2: reacting to how shit they've gotten, like because they've been
[18:02] Speaker 2: called the worst band in history and still like really
[18:06] Speaker 2: terrible things and stuff. So he kind of went and
[18:08] Speaker 2: talked to them and it's the funniest thing I've ever
[18:11] Speaker 2: heard in my life. Oh my god, I'm listening and
[18:13] Speaker 2: he's just very like, he's so endearing and he's really
[18:17] Speaker 2: I don't know, he's just super brilliant and a really hilarious,
[18:20] Speaker 2: amazing writer. So anyway, John ronson tons of audiobooks, and
[18:24] Speaker 2: he also has a podcast called The Butterfly Effect that's
[18:27] Speaker 2: about like working in the porn industry right right, which
[18:32] Speaker 2: I started listening to it. It's a little bit I'm worried.
[18:36] Speaker 2: I'm worried. I don't I'm worried about having to hear
[18:40] Speaker 2: people that don't are doing well or something, Whereas I like,
[18:45] Speaker 2: if it's a story and someone's in the third person
[18:47] Speaker 2: talking about it, it's a different thing. It's kind of
[18:49] Speaker 2: like my nine one one call ye issue.
[18:51] Speaker 1: I get that well, really quickly one that I'm not
[18:55] Speaker 1: listening to, but I have listened to it and it's
[18:57] Speaker 1: hilarious and I just want to give it a shout
[18:58] Speaker 1: out because it's fucking incredible.
[19:00] Speaker 2: Is the true crime podcast Done Disappeared? Oh? I haven't
[19:04] Speaker 2: heard it. No, it's a parody true called Done Disappeared.
[19:10] Speaker 1: Yes, it's about missing girl named Clara Pockets.
[19:14] Speaker 2: Oh.
[19:15] Speaker 1: It's hosted by John David Booter. And it's basically a
[19:18] Speaker 1: parody of Up and Vanished.
[19:19] Speaker 2: Wait, John David Booter is not a real person at all.
[19:22] Speaker 1: It's like it's so it's like this beautifully narrative narrative podcast,
[19:27] Speaker 1: like someone knows something, let's say right, and it's done
[19:29] Speaker 1: really well and you hear the crunching of the gravel
[19:32] Speaker 1: and then he talks about these things at releasers. But
[19:34] Speaker 1: it's all bullshit and it's all fake, and it's like
[19:36] Speaker 1: kind of corny and just amazing, so silly.
[19:38] Speaker 2: It's so silly, and I it made me really happy.
[19:41] Speaker 2: Oh that's great. Yeah, that's awesome. Done Disappeared. I mean
[19:45] Speaker 2: that's so funny. It's like it is so popular these
[19:49] Speaker 2: days that like you can it's like the American Vandal. Yeah,
[19:53] Speaker 2: actually you know it has been nominated for I think
[19:56] Speaker 2: a Writer's Guild Award. Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah, it's
[19:59] Speaker 2: just like.
[20:00] Speaker 1: That where it's like, this is a really well done documentary.
[20:03] Speaker 1: It's just about an absurd thing that's not really it's
[20:05] Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, I love it.
[20:08] Speaker 1: I love it too, all right, I mean I wonder
[20:11] Speaker 1: who goes first.
[20:13] Speaker 2: I mean, whatever happened was in the past.
[20:16] Speaker 1: It's twenty eighteen and it's episode one hundred and two,
[20:19] Speaker 1: which sucks. So it's not one hundred and one because
[20:21] Speaker 1: we put up a live Oh.
[20:22] Speaker 2: Live, that's right, because we're on akishall.
[20:24] Speaker 1: But I know, but like, but that was one twenty
[20:27] Speaker 1: seventeen to two, right, yeah, yep, So we can do
[20:31] Speaker 1: whatever we want.
[20:32] Speaker 2: We can do whatever we want. And the last one
[20:35] Speaker 2: technically that we recorded here we did together.
[20:38] Speaker 1: Right, So it's a real clean slate, clean slate blank.
[20:42] Speaker 1: Everything is everything from here to eternity.
[20:46] Speaker 2: What if we make Steven pick one of us to
[20:48] Speaker 2: go first?
[20:49] Speaker 3: Oh, no, pressure's on.
[20:52] Speaker 1: No, wait, what if we what if we make Steven No,
[20:57] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[20:57] Speaker 2: Let's I'm picking mustache hairs and we were mustache hair.
[21:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, you can throw the clown dog?
[21:03] Speaker 2: Are whoever slaps it away hard enough? Okay? Steven, who
[21:07] Speaker 2: goes first?
[21:12] Speaker 3: I don't know why that matters? Say number ten?
[21:16] Speaker 2: Okay? What day is your birthday? Eighth? What's your eleventh?
[21:19] Speaker 2: What does that mean? Mine's closer? So do you want
[21:22] Speaker 2: to go first? You want me to go? It's the
[21:25] Speaker 2: perfect system? Okay? How about.
[21:29] Speaker 1: Well?
[21:29] Speaker 3: I was gonna say, since you got it, then you
[21:31] Speaker 3: get a pick who goes first?
[21:32] Speaker 2: Ship, but really bring it on. Me wants this part
[21:36] Speaker 2: of the job. That's why we give it to you.
[21:38] Speaker 1: Okay, Well mine is long and gruesome.
[21:40] Speaker 2: What's yours? It's I don't think it's that long. Okay,
[21:43] Speaker 2: Well go I can go first. Okay, yeah, okay, good job, Stephen. Stephen,
[21:48] Speaker 2: you've done it again and we are back. Did it
[21:55] Speaker 2: surprise you to learn that we actually came into contact
[21:58] Speaker 2: with someone from Godless? Yeah?
[22:00] Speaker 1: And you know what, I recently watched the movie that
[22:03] Speaker 1: she's in called Private Life with our other friend and
[22:08] Speaker 1: the biz other than Paul Giamatti.
[22:12] Speaker 2: Oh cool, private Life.
[22:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's really good.
[22:16] Speaker 2: I'm that really darling. It's so funny to like listen
[22:19] Speaker 2: back to hear us talking about the podcast we're listening to,
[22:22] Speaker 2: because I feel like it's such a marker of time,
[22:25] Speaker 2: especially limited series, when you go back and listen to
[22:28] Speaker 2: like a certain thing, you're like, oh my god, I
[22:30] Speaker 2: remember being so into that or like living in that
[22:33] Speaker 2: world for whatever three weeks.
[22:36] Speaker 1: Or that's what my like falling asleep routine was. And
[22:39] Speaker 1: The Strange Unusual podcast is still going strong, and they've
[22:42] Speaker 1: got really like some great episodes recently about like ten
[22:45] Speaker 1: things in the Appalachian Woods that shouldn't be there, Like.
[22:48] Speaker 2: What a great thing to fall asleep to.
[22:50] Speaker 1: So good, but I have definitely had to turn them
[22:52] Speaker 1: off because they've been too scary to fall asleep too before.
[22:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, those ones are serious. Also, John Ronson he made
[22:59] Speaker 2: a podcast series called Things Fall Apart in twenty twenty one,
[23:02] Speaker 2: and it's about the modern culture war. I bet it's
[23:05] Speaker 2: a fascinating listen now in twenty twenty six. Oh my god,
[23:08] Speaker 2: for sure? Is it twenty twenty six already? It is? Yeah,
[23:11] Speaker 2: it's June. That's ridiculous. You're lying. I don't believe you.
[23:18] Speaker 2: I would never lie on a podcast only privately.
[23:21] Speaker 1: The faux true crime podcast name Done Disappeared still cracks
[23:25] Speaker 1: me the fuck up.
[23:26] Speaker 2: Done disappeared all.
[23:27] Speaker 1: These years later, and it's so funny because like it
[23:31] Speaker 1: was so new that like it was okay, like we
[23:33] Speaker 1: were making fun of it.
[23:34] Speaker 2: It's too big, everyone's got one.
[23:35] Speaker 1: But it's like, oh, just you wait, it's gonna get
[23:38] Speaker 1: even sneap, just to wait.
[23:41] Speaker 2: Done this little trend twenty eighteen.
[23:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, our stories are a couple of heavy hitters.
[23:47] Speaker 2: I didn't realize that we did these in the same episode.
[23:49] Speaker 2: It's very intense. Yeah, it's very intense.
[23:52] Speaker 1: I didn't either, because I still think about yours all
[23:54] Speaker 1: the time.
[23:55] Speaker 2: So we're still going Georgia and I self, I think,
[23:58] Speaker 2: self researching and self produce. So there's no like, no
[24:02] Speaker 2: wiser global look at anything, no structure's eye. Yeah, but
[24:07] Speaker 2: I don't know. I think people like that. I just
[24:09] Speaker 2: think that's why we.
[24:10] Speaker 1: End it on good things.
[24:12] Speaker 2: We just don't do that anymore, right Well, And also
[24:15] Speaker 2: I think there's not that many of these insane serial
[24:19] Speaker 2: killers style horrible like these are some of the worst
[24:22] Speaker 2: of the worst. The Beast of Jersey is I think
[24:27] Speaker 2: the most one of the most disturbing serial killer stories there.
[24:30] Speaker 1: Is because a mask wearing a mask, right and like.
[24:35] Speaker 2: And a choker necklace of spikes and wristlets of spikes,
[24:39] Speaker 2: so no matter where you grab them to get them
[24:41] Speaker 2: away from you, you hurt yourself. It's just insane.
[24:44] Speaker 1: Also lived a totally normal public life. That's what's like.
[24:48] Speaker 2: That couldn't it's a tiny village on the island, and
[24:51] Speaker 2: they couldn't figure out who it was.
[24:53] Speaker 1: Because it's got to be someone you know, if it's
[24:55] Speaker 1: you know, everyone on this island.
[24:56] Speaker 2: Oh my god, let's get into it.
[24:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's hear karen story about the Beast
[25:01] Speaker 1: of Jersey.
[25:02] Speaker 2: Edward paynew mine and I had never heard this story before. Okay,
[25:14] Speaker 2: this is more of a story, more of a case,
[25:18] Speaker 2: more of a personality, because there's I don't think there's
[25:21] Speaker 2: an actual murder that they know of. This is the
[25:25] Speaker 2: Beast of Jersey. Have you ever heard of the Beast
[25:27] Speaker 2: of Jersey? No, Okay, gets fucking ready. I'm fucking ready,
[25:31] Speaker 2: okay and willing great. I excuse me, both of your
[25:36] Speaker 2: feet are in the budget. I'm gonna suck my pant
[25:39] Speaker 2: in a bucket. I get myself ready. Just we kick
[25:44] Speaker 2: off an episode with you having recovered memories, and we
[25:48] Speaker 2: just blaze right through it. We just keep on chatting.
[25:51] Speaker 1: I mean, I'm clearly doing okay with.
[25:55] Speaker 2: You're just doing it. I'm just doing it okay. So
[25:59] Speaker 2: the Beast of Jersey, his name is Edward Paynew or
[26:02] Speaker 2: pay Now, I'm not sure. And this story I stumbled
[26:06] Speaker 2: upon it on a as we know, we love the
[26:10] Speaker 2: website Ranker and Ranker is in there with all those
[26:13] Speaker 2: serial killers and the serial killer fifteen most interesting things
[26:16] Speaker 2: about this and that and whatever, and so at the
[26:19] Speaker 2: at the bottom of one of those lists, they have
[26:22] Speaker 2: additional lists where it's like this this, all these links.
[26:25] Speaker 1: It's like, thank you for my insomnia. Yeah, it's amazing.
[26:29] Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's all the fifteen horrible things about the
[26:32] Speaker 2: toy box killer. It's every terrible thing you could ever
[26:34] Speaker 2: look at. Love it. So on there I found the
[26:37] Speaker 2: Beast of Jersey, which I'm like, I assume New Jersey.
[26:41] Speaker 2: And when you look it up on YouTube, there is
[26:43] Speaker 2: a guy who who starts his videos start coming up
[26:48] Speaker 2: as the Beast of Jersey, but he is a weightlifter
[26:50] Speaker 2: in New Jersey. Oh, it's just like swoll and yoked
[26:56] Speaker 2: and all the other things you'd say himself. The Beast
[26:59] Speaker 2: of Jersey well, I mean I think it's like, you know,
[27:01] Speaker 2: that's the language of like he's in beast mode working out.
[27:04] Speaker 2: I didn't google it, He's google it. This one's from
[27:09] Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies. So he's like, I'm the right. Okay,
[27:13] Speaker 2: that's that's long enough ago. He didn't give a shit. Yeah,
[27:16] Speaker 2: he looks great in a tank top. He's doing good work.
[27:18] Speaker 2: Good for him. I respect it. Good for him. Twenty eighteen,
[27:21] Speaker 2: this is this year. That's right. I can feel it.
[27:22] Speaker 2: So guys, please go to Beast of Jersey YouTube channel
[27:26] Speaker 2: and just support him. Give him my thumbs up because
[27:29] Speaker 2: he can lift so much weight. Okay. I got the
[27:33] Speaker 2: timeline of these crimes, the details, all of it from
[27:37] Speaker 2: uh a blog that's called True Crime Enthusiast. I've used
[27:41] Speaker 2: her once before for one of my I can't remember
[27:44] Speaker 2: which one, but it was a case when we were
[27:45] Speaker 2: on the at a live show and she that True
[27:49] Speaker 2: Crime Enthusiast is also a podcast. But I found this
[27:52] Speaker 2: on her blog and it was the most information of
[27:57] Speaker 2: any I couldn't find any other websites besides our dear
[28:02] Speaker 2: old Wikipedia. Everything on YouTube is like one of those
[28:06] Speaker 2: three minute videos. That's someone that seems like someone in
[28:08] Speaker 2: high school made that. Like I then started watching one
[28:13] Speaker 2: and then it went off into some other thing where
[28:15] Speaker 2: this woman who was narrating was like Canadian and yelling
[28:19] Speaker 2: about how the government isn't gonna admit to anything, and
[28:22] Speaker 2: then it went crazy quite the afternoon. Listen, let's get back,
[28:27] Speaker 2: let's focus. Jersey is one of the Channel islands off
[28:32] Speaker 2: the northwest coast of France. Got it. I thought it
[28:36] Speaker 2: was in England. Well it's not new so it's not
[28:39] Speaker 2: a new Jersey. No, that's what I was hoping for.
[28:42] Speaker 2: It's original Jersey. Okay. So it's right by Normandy off
[28:46] Speaker 2: the coast out there. It's also by Guernsey Islands. They
[28:51] Speaker 2: have the best cows between Jersey and Guernsey. Amazing gorgeous cows. Okay, right, Stephen.
[28:57] Speaker 2: Stephen's crying, he loves this so much. Am I right?
[29:00] Speaker 3: Though I don't know anything about cows?
[29:03] Speaker 2: Yes you do. I think the Guernseys are red and
[29:06] Speaker 2: the Jerseys are black and white. Are you think serious
[29:08] Speaker 2: right now? Yes?
[29:09] Speaker 1: Because you grew up in a town with a lot
[29:11] Speaker 1: of cows. Yes, that's why you know that. I didn't
[29:13] Speaker 1: know if they were just making up facts.
[29:14] Speaker 2: About a town. No, No, Jersey and Guernsey cows are
[29:17] Speaker 2: like really high end.
[29:19] Speaker 1: Listen, explain something okay to me? Okay, what's it about cows?
[29:23] Speaker 2: Oh? Oh, just if you want a high quality cow,
[29:26] Speaker 2: you're going to need a small island off the coast
[29:28] Speaker 2: of France. I'll take it. That's where they're all from. Okay, okay. Uh.
[29:34] Speaker 2: On Google Maps, Jersey has a four point nine star
[29:37] Speaker 2: review out of forty three.
[29:40] Speaker 1: Why are you revealing fucking islands?
[29:42] Speaker 2: This is me trying to scrape together information about Jersey
[29:46] Speaker 2: in a way that can inform me. I was like,
[29:48] Speaker 2: is it rich people? It seems like it's like it's
[29:50] Speaker 2: a very yeah, well to do people. They have a
[29:53] Speaker 2: lot of great agriculture, obviously award winning cows, really small
[30:00] Speaker 2: and although it is not a part of the United Kingdom,
[30:04] Speaker 2: English is the language that's the main language spoken there.
[30:08] Speaker 2: They use the Pound, They drive on the left, they
[30:10] Speaker 2: love soccer. The national anthem is God Save the Queen.
[30:14] Speaker 2: But they are an independent parliamentary democracy, so don't fucking
[30:18] Speaker 2: say that they're British because they're not. Okay, And in
[30:22] Speaker 2: twenty fourteen there were one hundred thousand people living there.
[30:25] Speaker 2: So that's it's not a big place, okay. But in
[30:29] Speaker 2: November of nineteen fifty seven, a reign of terror began
[30:32] Speaker 2: on this island. That is so fucking crazy, and it
[30:36] Speaker 2: went on for ten years. And so it starts like this,
[30:41] Speaker 2: A twenty nine year old nurse is waiting for a bus. Now,
[30:45] Speaker 2: when all this gets explained, it's all they break it
[30:48] Speaker 2: up by like counties and parishes and stuff. But since
[30:52] Speaker 2: it's all meaningless, I just figured we'll just do it.
[30:55] Speaker 2: It's all happening on an island that's I think forty
[30:57] Speaker 2: nine miles wide. It's a setting, yes, just picture. Uh
[31:03] Speaker 2: do you ever watch Father Brown? It's a wonderful British
[31:06] Speaker 2: no priest based crime procedural r No, but I have
[31:09] Speaker 2: an island in my mind. It's like I'm there.
[31:11] Speaker 1: It's not tropical, no no, no, no no no, it's like
[31:14] Speaker 1: a yeah, that's so like a damp, dewey pastural yesco island,
[31:19] Speaker 1: that's it, Rocky cliffs, yes.
[31:21] Speaker 2: All this, yes, okay, fog, fog and tons of bus stops, right,
[31:27] Speaker 2: so rural bus stops, rural bus stops. Okay, Okay, So
[31:30] Speaker 2: this woman's waiting, she's a twenty nine year old nurse
[31:33] Speaker 2: waiting for the bus. She's approached by a man who's
[31:36] Speaker 2: affecting an Irish accent, and he's wearing something on his face.
[31:40] Speaker 2: She can't see his face, and before she knows what's happening,
[31:43] Speaker 2: he hits her on the head. He puts a rope
[31:45] Speaker 2: around her neck, and he drags her into a nearby
[31:47] Speaker 2: field and rapes her. No, and even though she has
[31:51] Speaker 2: a bunch of stitches and she's severely injured, she survives.
[31:54] Speaker 2: A year later, in March, the exact same attack happens
[31:58] Speaker 2: a year later, this time the woman's twenty. She's walking
[32:02] Speaker 2: home from the bus stop, and again a man approaches her,
[32:06] Speaker 2: a rope is put around her neck, She's dragged into
[32:08] Speaker 2: a nearby field and raped. Four months later in July,
[32:12] Speaker 2: exact same crime. This time it's a thirty one year
[32:15] Speaker 2: old woman. She's walking home from the bus stop. Again,
[32:19] Speaker 2: rope around her neck, dragged into a field. Exact same thing.
[32:22] Speaker 2: And then again in August of nineteen fifty nine, but
[32:26] Speaker 2: this time it's a young girl. And then again in
[32:30] Speaker 2: November to a twenty eight year old woman. So it's
[32:32] Speaker 2: the exact same crime happening like relatively four months apart,
[32:38] Speaker 2: so all of the victims tell the police the same thing.
[32:41] Speaker 2: He put on this Irish accent. He was wearing a
[32:45] Speaker 2: mask of some kind or his face was covered in
[32:47] Speaker 2: some way. He's about five foot six and he smells musty.
[32:53] Speaker 2: So after this series of attacks he comes to be
[32:57] Speaker 2: referred to as the Beast of Jersey. But then in
[33:01] Speaker 2: nineteen sixty his moo changes and he starts attacking people
[33:04] Speaker 2: inside indoors in their homes, so it's valent Tyne's Day.
[33:08] Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty, a twelve year old boy wakes up
[33:11] Speaker 2: to see a man standing at the end of his bed.
[33:14] Speaker 2: He's climbed through the boy's window. He's wearing an old
[33:17] Speaker 2: rubber mask and a woman's wig. Oh god, and he's
[33:21] Speaker 2: holding a flashlight in the boy's face. He places a
[33:24] Speaker 2: rope around the boy's neck leads him outside into a
[33:26] Speaker 2: field where he's raped. So a month later, a woman
[33:31] Speaker 2: walking up to the bus stop meets a man who
[33:34] Speaker 2: drives by. Claims that he's a doctor, that he's on
[33:38] Speaker 2: his way to pick up his wife, and he offers
[33:40] Speaker 2: her a lift, and then she gets in the car
[33:44] Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, it's just this old guy and
[33:47] Speaker 2: doesn't think anything about it until she turns to see
[33:50] Speaker 2: that he is wearing an overcoat and a hat and gloves.
[33:56] Speaker 2: And as she's starting to put that together of how
[33:58] Speaker 2: weird that is, she also can't see his face. It's
[34:01] Speaker 2: like she can't make out his face because it's dark.
[34:05] Speaker 2: He's by the time she realizes what's going on, he's
[34:08] Speaker 2: driven to a secluded spot. He ties her hand behind
[34:11] Speaker 2: her head, beats her inside the car, then he drags
[34:13] Speaker 2: her out of the car into a field, rapes her.
[34:16] Speaker 2: Then he puts her back into the car and he
[34:19] Speaker 2: starts to drive again. She jumps out of the moving
[34:22] Speaker 2: car oh and starts screaming for help. So he bails
[34:26] Speaker 2: and he's not found. Damn. Okay, So this same month,
[34:32] Speaker 2: this one's super creepy. So it's a mother and daughter
[34:35] Speaker 2: in a remote cottage. Uh huh. The daughter's fourteen, so
[34:40] Speaker 2: it's twelve thirty at night. The mother is awoken by
[34:44] Speaker 2: the phone ringing downstairs, so she gets up and she
[34:47] Speaker 2: goes down to answer it. When she goes, she picks
[34:50] Speaker 2: up the phone. There's no one there. She hears a
[34:53] Speaker 2: click and then the phone she hears the dial town,
[34:56] Speaker 2: so she goes back upstairs and she goes to bed.
[34:58] Speaker 2: An hour later, she hears a noise downstairs, so she
[35:02] Speaker 2: goes and she goes out into the landing. Over the
[35:06] Speaker 2: top of the stairs, she flicks on the lights, having
[35:08] Speaker 2: picture in my head at some point she turned the
[35:11] Speaker 2: lights on. She walks downstairs and when she gets downstairs,
[35:14] Speaker 2: the lights cut out. Then she realizes someone is in
[35:19] Speaker 2: the living room, so she grabs the phone to call
[35:23] Speaker 2: the police. The phone line's been cut. Yeah, So suddenly
[35:28] Speaker 2: a man grabs her, demands money and threatens to kill her.
[35:32] Speaker 2: And as she's struggling with this man, her fourteen year
[35:36] Speaker 2: old daughter comes out onto the landing and the man
[35:41] Speaker 2: immediately releases the mother and runs to where the daughter is,
[35:45] Speaker 2: and so the woman runs out of the house to
[35:47] Speaker 2: go get help at the neighbors gets The neighbors runs
[35:51] Speaker 2: back and they find the daughter is alive, but she's
[35:54] Speaker 2: been raped. And this with the samem as all the
[35:57] Speaker 2: other victims. April of the same year, a fourteen year
[35:59] Speaker 2: old wakes up to find a man in a mask
[36:03] Speaker 2: watching her sleep. What the fuck? She starts screaming, and
[36:06] Speaker 2: then he takes the mask off. No. In July, an
[36:12] Speaker 2: eight year old boy is abducted from his home. He's
[36:15] Speaker 2: raped in a field and then he's led back but
[36:18] Speaker 2: the rope around his neck to his front doorstep. Then
[36:21] Speaker 2: they attack stop for the rest of the year. So
[36:23] Speaker 2: of course this is a tiny island of people, and
[36:27] Speaker 2: people are fucking shitting a brick.
[36:29] Speaker 1: Because it's also definitely someone who lives there, so it
[36:32] Speaker 1: could be anyone.
[36:33] Speaker 2: Exactly right, They are interviewing every They immediately interview every
[36:38] Speaker 2: single man who has ever permitted a crime at all.
[36:42] Speaker 2: Like the police are just doing They have no idea
[36:44] Speaker 2: what to do, so they're doing anything they can. So
[36:50] Speaker 2: everything stops. So that's July. Everything stops for the rest
[36:53] Speaker 2: of the year. Then in February of nineteen sixty one
[36:57] Speaker 2: it starts again, and this time themo change again. Now
[37:00] Speaker 2: it's all young children. So by April of nineteen sixty one,
[37:04] Speaker 2: three children have been attacked and raped. So finally the
[37:08] Speaker 2: police call in Scotland Yard. Yeah, so Scotland Yard puts
[37:13] Speaker 2: together this profile of like the mo O and of
[37:16] Speaker 2: the attacks. Oh my god, lover, and they basically tell
[37:18] Speaker 2: the island, you guys have to start like self policing
[37:21] Speaker 2: and keeping your eyes open because you have to help
[37:24] Speaker 2: us catch him. Like as much as we can't be
[37:27] Speaker 2: everywhere and we have to we all have to do
[37:29] Speaker 2: something about this, So keep your eyes peeled. So he's
[37:32] Speaker 2: forty to forty five years old. He's five six or
[37:35] Speaker 2: somewhere around that height. He has a medium build, he
[37:38] Speaker 2: has a mustache. His face is usually covered by a
[37:41] Speaker 2: mask or a scarf during the attacks. He enters through
[37:44] Speaker 2: a bedroom window on a moonlit night sometime between ten
[37:47] Speaker 2: pm and three am, carries a flashlight. He knows the
[37:51] Speaker 2: island well, especially the eastern part, and he wears a
[37:55] Speaker 2: thigh lank jacket that smells musty, a hat and gloves.
[38:01] Speaker 2: So but he's still not found and there's no attacks
[38:05] Speaker 2: for two years, So there's that's another part of it,
[38:08] Speaker 2: is there. It's like a swell of these horrible crimes
[38:11] Speaker 2: and then it just stops. And I think there's probably
[38:13] Speaker 2: part of that human reaction is it's done, We're done,
[38:17] Speaker 2: We're done, and like, don't look around and don't keep
[38:20] Speaker 2: looking into this like it's over. Then, in April of
[38:25] Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three, a nine year old boy is attacked
[38:29] Speaker 2: with the exact samem o, and then in November of
[38:33] Speaker 2: the year, and eleven year old boy is attacked same
[38:36] Speaker 2: and then in July of nineteen sixty four a ten
[38:39] Speaker 2: year old girl, and then in August a sixteen year
[38:41] Speaker 2: old boy. Then nothing for two years, so even that
[38:45] Speaker 2: that overall pattern starts down a pack. And then in
[38:49] Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six the Jersey Police received this letter. My
[38:54] Speaker 2: dear sir, I think that it that it is just
[38:57] Speaker 2: the time to tell you that you are wasting your time,
[39:00] Speaker 2: as every time I have done what I always intended
[39:03] Speaker 2: to do. And remember it will not stop at this,
[39:06] Speaker 2: but I will be fair to you and give you
[39:08] Speaker 2: a chance. I have never had much out of this life,
[39:11] Speaker 2: but I intend to get everything I can now. I've
[39:14] Speaker 2: always wanted to do the perfect crime. I have done this,
[39:17] Speaker 2: but this time let the moonshine very bright in September,
[39:22] Speaker 2: because this time it must be perfect, not one, but two.
[39:26] Speaker 2: I am not a maniac by a long shot, but
[39:29] Speaker 2: I like to play with you people. You will hear
[39:31] Speaker 2: from me before September, and I will give you all
[39:34] Speaker 2: the clues just to see if you can catch me. Yours,
[39:38] Speaker 2: very sincerely, wait and see. Oh my god. So in
[39:43] Speaker 2: August nineteen sixty six, there's a savage attack on a
[39:46] Speaker 2: fifteen year old girl, but this time there's a new detail.
[39:50] Speaker 2: There are long parallel scratches down the torso of the victim.
[39:55] Speaker 2: And then that's the final attack for four years. Wow.
[39:58] Speaker 2: Then in August of ninenineteen seventy, a thirteen year old
[40:01] Speaker 2: boy wakes up to a flashlight shining in his eyes.
[40:04] Speaker 2: He's taken out of the house with the roper on
[40:06] Speaker 2: the neck. He's led to the field. He's raped, attacked,
[40:10] Speaker 2: led back to the house. This time the beast tells
[40:13] Speaker 2: the boy stay quiet because if you don't quote, something
[40:16] Speaker 2: will happen to your mother and father. So the parents
[40:20] Speaker 2: find the boy disheveled en and he tries to say
[40:23] Speaker 2: nothing's wrong, and finally he breaks and tells the parents everything.
[40:28] Speaker 2: And when he's taken to the hospital or inspected by police,
[40:32] Speaker 2: I'm not sure which one, but they basically on the boy,
[40:35] Speaker 2: they find the same long parallel scratches that they found
[40:38] Speaker 2: on the girl from nineteen sixty six, and the boy
[40:43] Speaker 2: tells police that the man had black, spiky hair and
[40:46] Speaker 2: a terrifying mask. On a year later, this is July tenth,
[40:50] Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one, two policemen are sitting in a traffic
[40:53] Speaker 2: light at a red light. It's eleven forty five at night,
[40:58] Speaker 2: and a car speeds past the runs the red light
[41:02] Speaker 2: and is driving radically, and so of course they throw
[41:05] Speaker 2: on their lights or however they do it in Jersey,
[41:11] Speaker 2: and they get into a high speed chase with this car,
[41:14] Speaker 2: and it's total Jason Bourne style, where on this blog
[41:20] Speaker 2: she was saying, the guy drove up on the sidewalk.
[41:23] Speaker 2: He was like doing everything he could to get away from.
[41:25] Speaker 1: These cars this tiny fucking island.
[41:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so crazy, driving everywhere. And basically finally he
[41:31] Speaker 2: drives through a hedge and into the middle of a
[41:35] Speaker 2: tomato field and like comes crash into a stop, gets out,
[41:38] Speaker 2: starts running through the tomato field. The cops get out,
[41:40] Speaker 2: chase them on foot, they tackle them, they arrest him,
[41:44] Speaker 2: they bring him to the police station, and finally when
[41:47] Speaker 2: they when they get into the light of the police station,
[41:50] Speaker 2: they see that he First of all, they notice in
[41:54] Speaker 2: the car with him how musty his coat smells. And
[41:56] Speaker 2: it strikes them immediately that it's like a just weird,
[42:00] Speaker 2: gross smell, which is what every single one of his
[42:03] Speaker 2: victims mention. It's crazy that it was that fucking bade
[42:06] Speaker 2: I were like that immediately. So then when they get
[42:10] Speaker 2: into the light of the police station, they see that
[42:13] Speaker 2: there are one inch nails hooking up out of the
[42:16] Speaker 2: shoulders of his coat and out of the the lapels
[42:20] Speaker 2: of his coat and around the cuffs of his coat.
[42:23] Speaker 2: So he is sewn in one inch nails to stick
[42:26] Speaker 2: out like punk rock styles stick out of his coat.
[42:29] Speaker 2: And then they see that he has cloth wristbands that
[42:32] Speaker 2: he has made tied around his wrists that also have
[42:36] Speaker 2: one inch nails sticking out due. So then they see
[42:42] Speaker 2: that his pants are tucked into his socks, he's wearing
[42:46] Speaker 2: slippers and wool gloves, and then they check his pockets.
[42:50] Speaker 2: So in there he's got a flashlight with black tape
[42:54] Speaker 2: over the light part with just a little slit so
[42:58] Speaker 2: only a tiny bit of light will come out of
[43:00] Speaker 2: that flashlight so no one will notice it. Yeah, so
[43:03] Speaker 2: he can basically control and direct the light when he's
[43:08] Speaker 2: breaking into houses. Right then they find two lengths of
[43:14] Speaker 2: what they call sash cord, which I think means like
[43:18] Speaker 2: curtain curtain cord on him. He's got empty cigarette packs,
[43:22] Speaker 2: rolls of duct tape, and a black wig with stiff,
[43:26] Speaker 2: spiky hair, and that's when they find the mask. Are
[43:32] Speaker 2: you ready to see the mask? There's your mask. I'm
[43:36] Speaker 2: gonna go, I'm gonna leave. Look at that. Oh my god,
[43:39] Speaker 2: let me see that. It is so fucked up. Okay,
[43:43] Speaker 2: So what that mask is is it looks like it
[43:48] Speaker 2: looks like Edward's scissor Hands if he were in a fire.
[43:52] Speaker 2: It's like Edgar Edward scissor Hands and Michael Myers had
[43:56] Speaker 2: a baby, and that baby was a fucking rapist, was
[44:01] Speaker 2: a horrifying monster, the scariest Okay. The mask is the
[44:05] Speaker 2: reason I read the article about him because it's the
[44:08] Speaker 2: scariest thing I've ever seen that's actually real. Because I
[44:12] Speaker 2: was like, I want to look this up and this
[44:14] Speaker 2: is going to be fake because that's so horrifying. You
[44:17] Speaker 2: wake up and that's standing at the end of your bed.
[44:19] Speaker 1: No, it's so no, no, like no no.
[44:24] Speaker 2: So that's in his coat pocket, that mask, that mask
[44:28] Speaker 2: is in his coat pocket, and the wig isn't so
[44:30] Speaker 2: the wig. He wore the wig and they're separate. So
[44:33] Speaker 2: the wig was in one pocket and that wig is hard,
[44:36] Speaker 2: like it's all stiff and hard. It looks like gross,
[44:39] Speaker 2: like gross dreadlocks. Yeah, and it almost looks he almost
[44:44] Speaker 2: looks like like Medusa. Yeah, like it looks like snakes
[44:49] Speaker 2: snake hair.
[44:49] Speaker 1: What is that mask made out of because it looks
[44:51] Speaker 1: like it's made out of real human skin.
[44:53] Speaker 2: It is I think it is an old rubber mask.
[44:56] Speaker 2: So he was just it was like pre Halloween, this
[45:00] Speaker 2: mask of all time. Okay, so he sorry, I got
[45:04] Speaker 2: so excited to show you that picture I'd left the page.
[45:06] Speaker 1: Hafley thro Actually, I'm gonna turn this upside down because
[45:09] Speaker 1: it's so well, I don't want to stare at it.
[45:11] Speaker 2: It's not cool at all. My god, that's terrifying poor people,
[45:15] Speaker 2: I know. So it turns out that this man the
[45:19] Speaker 2: Beast of Jersey is Edward Paynell. He's a forty six
[45:23] Speaker 2: year old contractor from a wealthy family. He has a
[45:27] Speaker 2: wife named Joan. He has a daughter and two step children.
[45:30] Speaker 2: He is well respected throughout the island and and he's
[45:34] Speaker 2: very kind of prominent. This is a there's a real
[45:39] Speaker 2: tad not type any John Wayne Gacy parallel, because he
[45:45] Speaker 2: and his wife first met when he worked as a
[45:47] Speaker 2: handyman at the foster home that her mother ran called
[45:52] Speaker 2: La Preference, and he would often visit to hand out
[45:56] Speaker 2: candy and during the holidays dressed up like Father Christmas.
[46:00] Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no no.
[46:02] Speaker 2: The children knew him as uncle Ted. Yes, of course
[46:04] Speaker 2: they did. Yeah, they of course. The police investigate. They
[46:07] Speaker 2: find out that Joan and Ted's marriage is not a
[46:09] Speaker 2: happy one, and that in fact they're basically man and
[46:13] Speaker 2: wife in name only. That he has built himself basically
[46:17] Speaker 2: an annex off of the house, so he has an
[46:20] Speaker 2: office and like living quarters and this whole thing that's
[46:23] Speaker 2: separate from the house so he can come and go
[46:25] Speaker 2: as he pleases. And his wife says, you know, he
[46:29] Speaker 2: keeps odd hours because he's a big fisherman and he
[46:32] Speaker 2: likes to go on long walks at night, so he's
[46:35] Speaker 2: you know, he keys up and out of the house
[46:37] Speaker 2: at all hours. And it's always been for years. God yeah, So.
[46:44] Speaker 1: I wonder if she suspected him ever and just like
[46:47] Speaker 1: didn't ever want to say anything, or didn't couldn't accept it, or.
[46:51] Speaker 2: I mean, you would think with the marriage being so unhappy,
[46:55] Speaker 2: that he moves, you know, he built himself into part
[46:58] Speaker 2: of the house to live in, that something bad was happening.
[47:01] Speaker 2: But there's a video of Joan that I saw, because
[47:04] Speaker 2: there's an actual like old you know what looks like
[47:09] Speaker 2: BBC footage or whatever, and someone's interviewing her and she
[47:12] Speaker 2: just looks like, no, the man I know would never
[47:15] Speaker 2: hurt a child, and she's she seems like she means
[47:19] Speaker 2: what she says, of course, but then who knows, because
[47:23] Speaker 2: there were lots of abuse allegations at this foster home
[47:29] Speaker 2: and at others, So there's another part of this. But
[47:32] Speaker 2: basically all these abuse allegations at different foster homes on
[47:36] Speaker 2: the Isle Island of Jersey against him specifically, no, against
[47:44] Speaker 2: these people. It's super crazy. That's part of the black
[47:47] Speaker 2: hole I fell into, which is watching these videos from
[47:51] Speaker 2: other victims of who lived at these other like they
[47:56] Speaker 2: I think they call them home care, but it's basically
[47:59] Speaker 2: they're fo They're one is of this. One is obviously
[48:03] Speaker 2: a foster home, a big foster like an orphanage essentially,
[48:07] Speaker 2: But another one, the worst one, or from what the
[48:11] Speaker 2: stories I saw, was of course, it was a Catholic
[48:17] Speaker 2: you know, send your babies here if you're having them
[48:19] Speaker 2: out of wetlock, and we'll raise them for you because
[48:21] Speaker 2: you're not allowed to have children. Meanwhile, they beat the
[48:25] Speaker 2: living shit out of them and rape and molest them,
[48:27] Speaker 2: and all this horrible stuff is happening there. And they
[48:30] Speaker 2: have the real people who lived there talking about being
[48:34] Speaker 2: woken up in the middle of the night by the
[48:36] Speaker 2: people that work there and led down into these cellars.
[48:38] Speaker 2: And they actually it was so bad that the police
[48:41] Speaker 2: started investigating and they found shackles. They dug up these
[48:46] Speaker 2: cellars and found shackles along one wall, and they found
[48:50] Speaker 2: all these bones, children's bones there, Like it's crazy terrible.
[48:57] Speaker 2: It ended up leading to an investigation called Operation Rectangle,
[49:03] Speaker 2: and the it recorded a total of five hundred and
[49:06] Speaker 2: fifty three alleged offenses, with one hundred and fifty one
[49:10] Speaker 2: named offenders and one hundred and ninety two victims on
[49:13] Speaker 2: this island where in twenty fourteen one hundred thousand people live. Yeah,
[49:17] Speaker 2: so insanity, like something super fucked up was happening.
[49:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh that's so dark and that like that like
[49:25] Speaker 1: top of the Lake. Yes, a thing where it's like,
[49:27] Speaker 1: oh you don't you don't know the secrets that go
[49:29] Speaker 1: on in these.
[49:30] Speaker 2: Yes, and apparently that kind of like privacy and all that.
[49:35] Speaker 2: It's a real big deal there of course, and part
[49:39] Speaker 2: of the reason people live there. But then that breeds
[49:42] Speaker 2: this kind of like nobody talking about anything and nobody
[49:44] Speaker 2: knowing Adam, you.
[49:45] Speaker 1: Can kind of hide and play inside as like a
[49:47] Speaker 1: fucking creep.
[49:49] Speaker 2: And the underrepresented and the marginalized that gets sent to
[49:53] Speaker 2: you know, some horrible home somewhere, you know, then it
[49:57] Speaker 2: suddenly becomes so anyway, basically they go to his house
[50:05] Speaker 2: with a you know, to look into his house, and
[50:11] Speaker 2: they find they oh she the quote that she said
[50:15] Speaker 2: was he's the most loving, caring man who had never
[50:17] Speaker 2: hurt a child. Joan joan joan. Okay. So when the
[50:22] Speaker 2: police questioned him about why he was driving so crazy,
[50:25] Speaker 2: he told them that he was on his way to
[50:26] Speaker 2: an orgy, and that's why he was dressed so oddly
[50:29] Speaker 2: because he didn't want anyone to recognize him on the
[50:31] Speaker 2: way to the orgy, because of course everyone would know
[50:33] Speaker 2: where he was going in his car. Then he explained
[50:38] Speaker 2: away the nails sticking out of his clothing that he
[50:41] Speaker 2: wanted to be prepared in case anyone attacked him with
[50:44] Speaker 2: martial arts. Told the police, I do that too, uh huh.
[50:48] Speaker 2: It's always going to be ready with a series of nails.
[50:51] Speaker 2: Nail jewelry. Yep. So when they searched the house, they
[50:55] Speaker 2: find a locked secret room inside his room. Oh my god,
[50:59] Speaker 2: he's already his own annex. Oh my god. Then he's
[51:02] Speaker 2: got a locked secret roote. Tell me what's well, guess
[51:05] Speaker 2: what it smells like? Must Yes, he loves Mustree that shell.
[51:12] Speaker 2: I mean, it's like one of the fucking clues. I mean,
[51:16] Speaker 2: apparently this whole room smelled like the jacket. And inside
[51:20] Speaker 2: the room they find an old blue track suit, they
[51:22] Speaker 2: find an old raincoat, homemade wigs, which for some reason
[51:25] Speaker 2: I find bone chilling, and false eyebrows, which is also
[51:29] Speaker 2: very creepy. Yeah. So he was clearly playing with his
[51:34] Speaker 2: parents constantly. So even if even if they said, oh,
[51:37] Speaker 2: I was also at that bus stop and I saw that, right,
[51:40] Speaker 2: but they whatever description they would give would never be accurate. Yeah,
[51:45] Speaker 2: which was his plan. And what they start to realize
[51:47] Speaker 2: is he he had these plans set in place for years. Yeah.
[51:52] Speaker 2: He Because they found a camera hanging on a hook,
[51:56] Speaker 2: and then they found photos of houses from around the Eyeland,
[52:00] Speaker 2: and eventually they got out of him that he would
[52:03] Speaker 2: choose his victims, sometimes years in advance. What he would
[52:07] Speaker 2: take a picture of the house. He would memorize the
[52:10] Speaker 2: map of the house. He knew exactly whose room was
[52:13] Speaker 2: whose and what window to go into, so he would
[52:16] Speaker 2: never he never accidentally went into some wrong window and
[52:19] Speaker 2: was in the parents room. He always knew which room
[52:22] Speaker 2: the children's room was, oh my god, and he knew
[52:25] Speaker 2: exactly when to go and when they were by themselves
[52:28] Speaker 2: or when everybody was asleep, like he planned it meticulously,
[52:32] Speaker 2: scary me like no other story we've done. A scared wit.
[52:35] Speaker 2: It's the fucking scariest thing of all. He is the
[52:37] Speaker 2: legit boogeyman, like crazy. And then basically the nails for
[52:44] Speaker 2: real were if somebody caught him, tried to grab his hand,
[52:48] Speaker 2: tried to grab his shoulder, he would get away, oh
[52:52] Speaker 2: my god, like he had all these things planned to
[52:54] Speaker 2: make sure he never got caught, and that's why it
[52:57] Speaker 2: happened for so long. They also found what they what
[53:02] Speaker 2: they called In and the blog I was reading, she
[53:06] Speaker 2: refers to it as black magic and things related to
[53:09] Speaker 2: black magic, but in another article I read they were
[53:12] Speaker 2: like a full on altar to Satan in his barn
[53:16] Speaker 2: behind a red velvet curtain, which none that was not
[53:21] Speaker 2: mentioned in anyway in this blog, which I kind of
[53:23] Speaker 2: I trust her, she's so thoroughly researched. Yeah, that's a
[53:27] Speaker 2: little David Lynch. It's a little where to get a
[53:29] Speaker 2: red curtain? And how come no one noticed a red
[53:31] Speaker 2: curtain in a barn? Ye, It's always possible, and it
[53:34] Speaker 2: would be very striking and effective for black magic uses.
[53:41] Speaker 2: Like I'm in the middle of a kip of a
[53:43] Speaker 2: field filled with gorgeous cows. I turn around, here's this
[53:47] Speaker 2: curtain out of nowhere. Okay, So anyway, all kinds of
[53:53] Speaker 2: satanic shit though in this room, so basically that I mean,
[53:58] Speaker 2: that's it. He goes to trial and on November twenty ninth,
[54:01] Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one, it took thirty eight minutes to declare
[54:04] Speaker 2: him guilty of all charges. He's sentenced to thirty years
[54:08] Speaker 2: in prison. That's it, and he gets out in twenty
[54:11] Speaker 2: what he was a model prisoner. He's paroled in nineteen
[54:15] Speaker 2: ninety one. Yes, he goes to prison in nineteen seventy one.
[54:19] Speaker 2: He gets out in nineteen ninety one, but he tries
[54:23] Speaker 2: to move back to Jersey. Oh hell no, and the
[54:25] Speaker 2: people are like, yeah, no way. So he ends up
[54:28] Speaker 2: moving to the Isle of Wight and he dies there
[54:31] Speaker 2: of a heart attack in nineteen ninety four. So I
[54:34] Speaker 2: think the Isle of Wight is from what I know.
[54:38] Speaker 2: I think one of my favorite bands is from the
[54:41] Speaker 2: Isle of Wight, and I think it's real sparse. Why
[54:44] Speaker 2: do you look that up? Really quick? Stephen think he's
[54:46] Speaker 2: already doing it.
[54:46] Speaker 1: But oh my, twenty years.
[54:49] Speaker 2: Twenty years because it's all RPE and this was the
[54:52] Speaker 2: seventies when they were like, uh yeah, I wish that
[54:55] Speaker 2: would not like that anymore. I know, well it's getting
[54:58] Speaker 2: better though, certain like a serial rapist would not would
[55:02] Speaker 2: not get out of jail in twenty years. They don't
[55:05] Speaker 2: do that anymore. I mean, I know every case I'm
[55:11] Speaker 2: trying to. I've got to believe you and everything.
[55:13] Speaker 1: Okay, good, okay, great, great, Gret, Great, thanks for telling me, Sharon.
[55:16] Speaker 2: Let's see, Okay, was I right about the Isle of Wight.
[55:19] Speaker 2: It's the Bees. I love that Chicken pay Back best
[55:23] Speaker 2: ever seeing me. He's just you just looked up the musicians. Wait,
[55:30] Speaker 2: but do we know anything about the here? Let me
[55:34] Speaker 2: just actually say.
[55:35] Speaker 3: Notable bands from.
[55:38] Speaker 2: Oh what whatever, it's the second it's the largest and
[55:42] Speaker 2: second most pop most populist Isle Island in England. So
[55:45] Speaker 2: I was totally wrong with the show there. Fine, Oh
[55:47] Speaker 2: my god, let's go to the Isle of Wight. Okay,
[55:50] Speaker 2: they have a really good music festival there. I believe that. Again,
[55:54] Speaker 2: that could be bullshit. I believe you know, I believe me.
[55:58] Speaker 2: Uh So anyway, then, oh, this is the final thing
[56:02] Speaker 2: in that operation Rectangle. The police and had to actually
[56:07] Speaker 2: announce that there was no firm evidence linking Paynel to
[56:13] Speaker 2: any of the abuse that took place at that Catholic
[56:16] Speaker 2: nun home. It was called the hot de la Grene
[56:19] Speaker 2: that I did not pronounce that right where really terrible
[56:23] Speaker 2: things happened. So they had to say there's there's no
[56:27] Speaker 2: you know, Beast of Jersey is not connected to this,
[56:29] Speaker 2: although he was a known to be a regular visitor there.
[56:33] Speaker 2: Oh what a coincidence. So basically they're just saying there's
[56:35] Speaker 2: no firm evidence. But he also came here all the time. Yeah,
[56:39] Speaker 2: and horrible things happened, and he liked the children here
[56:41] Speaker 2: to hang out at this place. Yeah, so horrible horrible,
[56:47] Speaker 2: Uh and freakishly like, how how did I never hear
[56:51] Speaker 2: of any of that? Yeah, well I have a similar one.
[56:55] Speaker 1: Oh, horrible, horrible freakish. How did I never hear about
[56:59] Speaker 1: this before it? Okay, we're back, Karen. Do you have
[57:06] Speaker 1: any updates?
[57:07] Speaker 2: There are no updates except for that in twenty seventeen,
[57:11] Speaker 2: there was a psychological thriller film called Beast, starring friend
[57:16] Speaker 2: of the show Jesse Buckley, Thank you and Johnny Flynn.
[57:20] Speaker 2: Oh but that's good. I bet it's really good. Right,
[57:23] Speaker 2: and now we get into let's just roll right into
[57:26] Speaker 2: more brutality. This is George's story about the Cleveland Torso Killer.
[57:37] Speaker 1: Okay, another list of horrible things that have happened. Yes,
[57:43] Speaker 1: this one, I've heard the name that I'd never heard of,
[57:45] Speaker 1: I'd never known what happened. Surprisingly, this is the mad
[57:49] Speaker 1: Butcher of Kingsbury Run, aka the Cleveland Torso Killer.
[57:54] Speaker 2: Gosh, God, damn it? Or you gonna do it for Cleveland?
[57:58] Speaker 2: I yes, but I knew it's such a good one
[58:02] Speaker 2: that has we neither of us have done for so
[58:05] Speaker 2: long that it's just been dangling out there. Yeah, well done.
[58:09] Speaker 1: You, thank you. I swooped in. I apologized, got to
[58:12] Speaker 1: do it. But here I here I go, here you go.
[58:14] Speaker 1: Let me try to make do it, give a justice
[58:16] Speaker 1: and everything. So nineteen thirties. Cleveland. It's the sixth largest
[58:20] Speaker 1: city in America, but it's the most dangerous because of
[58:24] Speaker 1: they have a high rate of traffic accidents which sucks,
[58:28] Speaker 1: and rampant organized crime along with antiquated police force. One
[58:32] Speaker 1: of the high crime areas was on the south side
[58:34] Speaker 1: of the city, known as Kingsbury Run. It's a riverbed
[58:38] Speaker 1: like ravine located near the suburb of Shaker Heights, and
[58:42] Speaker 1: it's where the train.
[58:43] Speaker 2: Tracks run along.
[58:45] Speaker 1: So a lot of transients riding the rails in the
[58:47] Speaker 1: nineteen thirties would camp out there. And in the depression
[58:51] Speaker 1: era of nineteen thirties, it was this dark, dreary, dangerous
[58:54] Speaker 1: place and there was a lot of there was all
[59:00] Speaker 1: lot of blah blah blah. Let's see, it was like
[59:02] Speaker 1: a hobo camp at that point.
[59:04] Speaker 2: Basically, yes, so, and hobo is okay to say, I know,
[59:07] Speaker 2: right it is. Many people told us it stands for
[59:11] Speaker 2: home boy, which means like I'm on my way home boy, right,
[59:15] Speaker 2: like I'm on the train. Yeah, okay.
[59:17] Speaker 1: So it's a makeshift They call it a hobo jungle,
[59:20] Speaker 1: and it's just that it's just this crazy transient encampments
[59:25] Speaker 1: with made of boxes and you know, thrown together houses
[59:28] Speaker 1: and this sort of thing. And it's right next to
[59:34] Speaker 1: a place known as the Roaring Third, which is kind
[59:37] Speaker 1: of like this neighborhood that's home to bars and brothels, flophouses,
[59:40] Speaker 1: gambling places. It's like the fucking down and dirty area,
[59:44] Speaker 1: all grimy. And this is the setting where the most
[59:48] Speaker 1: notorious murder cases in Cleveland's history start to happen. Well,
[59:53] Speaker 1: in September nineteen thirty five, two teenage boys and this
[59:58] Speaker 1: is this is a lot of people still coming along along.
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: A lot of body parts in this in this show. Yeah.
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: So in September nineteen thirty five, two teenage boys playing
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: at the base of Jackass Hill and Kingsbury run.
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, how could you knock go to Jackass Hill
[1:00:14] Speaker 2: every day if you were like twelve? Yeah, I'm going. Yes,
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: where else will we play? Please? Okay? All right.
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: So they discover the decapitated emasculated. Oh they call it
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: body of a white male. Oh shit, can you fucking imagine? Like,
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: is it worse to come upon a body or fucking
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: headless body?
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: Headless body? Yeah, you're right, that's been emasculated. Yeah, that's horrifying. Yeah,
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: So their lives are ruined. Because here's the thing. Can
[1:00:45] Speaker 2: I just say, yeah, if you come upon a body,
[1:00:48] Speaker 2: you don't know what happened, and a number of things
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: could have happened. Right, you come upon a headless, emasculated body,
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: you immediately know someone did that to that, someone like
[1:00:57] Speaker 2: headless and emasculated house. Someone did it intentionally. Jesus Christ,
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: it's the worst car accident of all time, which it isn't, Okay.
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: The body is naked except for a pair of socks.
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: I know, I know, cleaned and drained of blood, and
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: the cause of death.
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: Is the decapitation, yeah, which is horrifying, but sorry, cleaned
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: and drained of blood like black Delia style. M oh oh. Wait.
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: So the area is being searched by the police. They
[1:01:34] Speaker 1: get there, they're like probably talking those kids down from
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: freaking the fuck out. Oh my god, And around thirty
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: feet away, another male corpse is found. This body in
[1:01:47] Speaker 1: the same position and the head and genitals also had
[1:01:50] Speaker 1: been removed. The body appeared to be a forty year
[1:01:53] Speaker 1: old male, covered with a chemical preservative and appeared to
[1:01:56] Speaker 1: have been dead for at least a couple of weeks
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: before being dumped. After becoming to decayed, almost as if
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: someone had tried to preserve the body wherever he was
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: wasn't working.
[1:02:06] Speaker 2: Got rid of the body. Super creepy that we can
[1:02:09] Speaker 2: hear a train right fucking riding those rails. This scared me.
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: I know right, you can't hear that.
[1:02:15] Speaker 1: Stephen the mad butcher Kingsbury Run is on that train
[1:02:18] Speaker 1: right now.
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: For aly No, wow, there hasn't been a train gone by.
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: He don't know. He is.
[1:02:25] Speaker 1: Okay close to the bodies though they find both heads
[1:02:29] Speaker 1: as well as both sets of genitals. They had discarded
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: them as though they had just been thrown away. No
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: blood is found on the ground or on the bodies,
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: and so they had been cleaned somewhere else.
[1:02:41] Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
[1:02:42] Speaker 1: The younger man, the first body that was found, had
[1:02:45] Speaker 1: been dead for about three days, and his fingerprints were
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: able to lead him to who he was. He was
[1:02:51] Speaker 1: Edward andrecy. He's a twenty eight year old guy who
[1:02:55] Speaker 1: minor police record for carrying a concealed weapon. He lived
[1:02:58] Speaker 1: near Kingsbury Run. He was kind of or off and
[1:03:00] Speaker 1: humble dude. He had a reputation for being a drunk
[1:03:03] Speaker 1: and frequently getting into fights. And when I did the autopsy,
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: based on the cuts. The operation was done very skillfully,
[1:03:11] Speaker 1: and the investigators suspected that the killer might be a butcher,
[1:03:14] Speaker 1: a surgeon, or at least someone familiar with killing animals, which.
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: Iems like it's always the case.
[1:03:19] Speaker 1: Like I think, if you don't know what you're doing,
[1:03:20] Speaker 1: you don't try to start doing that or like you
[1:03:23] Speaker 1: get you kind of get like a you get like
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: a fetish for it.
[1:03:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, I do you do it to like animals? Maybe
[1:03:30] Speaker 2: maybe if you're a certain certain, certain sort of psychopath. Right, Oh, sorry,
[1:03:36] Speaker 2: that was the the John Ronson book that I started
[1:03:38] Speaker 2: with audiobook was The Psychopath Test. Oh, it's the whole
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: reason that all started. And it's such a good book. Sorry,
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: Oh you're good. I should have said that before. But
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: it basically there's no difference, the relatively no difference between
[1:03:52] Speaker 2: a psychopath and a sociopath. It's all. He goes into
[1:03:55] Speaker 2: all of that. But anyway, it's relevant, it's very relevant.
[1:03:59] Speaker 2: But like that, you couldn't just a normal person if
[1:04:02] Speaker 2: you were going to kill somebody, even if you planned
[1:04:04] Speaker 2: it out, if you were, you would have to be
[1:04:06] Speaker 2: devoid of feeling to do all that stuff. Yeah, because
[1:04:10] Speaker 2: you yeah, you you'd have to be a certain mental type,
[1:04:14] Speaker 2: to be able to clean a body, drain it of blood,
[1:04:18] Speaker 2: cut it, cut pieces of it off.
[1:04:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, like, the thought of so like, I'm a pretty
[1:04:23] Speaker 1: normal person and the thought of having to you just
[1:04:27] Speaker 1: you just nodded your head in the most sarcastic way.
[1:04:31] Speaker 2: Was that involuntary? It was? It was silent? It was
[1:04:35] Speaker 2: was that involuntary, It was conversational. I appreciate it though,
[1:04:41] Speaker 2: because I don't want to be normal.
[1:04:42] Speaker 1: I mean in that I'm not a psychopath. So the
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: thought of having to go from here to killing someone
[1:04:48] Speaker 1: is such a huge leap that the people who are
[1:04:51] Speaker 1: okay doing it must be must be fucking closer to
[1:04:53] Speaker 1: that already, you know what I mean.
[1:04:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's a I don't think it's
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: like a line in the sand. I think it is
[1:04:59] Speaker 2: a total is light on or off, because there's nothing
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: more like. And you watch him when you're watching a
[1:05:05] Speaker 2: movie and people like, ugh, what was a fucking oh
[1:05:10] Speaker 2: that movie, the Ewan McGregor movie he would made him
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: a star? Oh where they kill their roommates? No, no, no, no,
[1:05:19] Speaker 2: it was the one where they it was the three
[1:05:21] Speaker 2: roommates they decide to kill the fourth roommate or maybe
[1:05:26] Speaker 2: they don't kill him, but he's dead and they cut
[1:05:27] Speaker 2: up his body. And it basically having to watch people
[1:05:30] Speaker 2: who aren't like that have to do something that horrible.
[1:05:35] Speaker 2: Is I can'te any movie like that. Yeah, I mean
[1:05:38] Speaker 2: it's a good movie, but it's so stressful. Okay, because
[1:05:40] Speaker 2: then you just picture you would have to do. Did
[1:05:42] Speaker 2: you watch second season of Search Party? No? I haven't
[1:05:45] Speaker 2: watched it.
[1:05:45] Speaker 1: So good, they're all just dealing with the I'm not
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: gonna spoil it, but they're dealing with the ramifications of
[1:05:50] Speaker 1: the first and uh, what's her name.
[1:05:54] Speaker 2: Aliah Chakratt. She is so good. She's such a great actress.
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: She's a great actors and this whole season of her
[1:05:59] Speaker 1: just having stress over what they did.
[1:06:02] Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's really hard to watch. That's very stressful.
[1:06:06] Speaker 2: Oh it's shallow Grave Sorry, Okay, Okay, it's a good movie,
[1:06:10] Speaker 2: but so stressful in that way where just like to
[1:06:13] Speaker 2: they do it for money, but like you when you
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: entertain that idea, yeah, where you'd be like, what would
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: it take for you to cut up a human body? Yeah?
[1:06:22] Speaker 2: I just don't There isn't an amount of money. I
[1:06:24] Speaker 2: don't think so. For meither, I'd rather go to jail
[1:06:27] Speaker 2: because it would ptsdu into infinity totally, totally the older man.
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: The second body is impossible to identify, and that's a
[1:06:35] Speaker 1: fucking theme. Most of these bodies that are found are
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: never identified. They hope that would be easy to find
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: the killer because the guy who they could identify, Edward
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: was you know, had this trail through slazy bars and
[1:06:47] Speaker 1: gambling places, and he's known to be a procure of
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: young girls for prostitution and also admitted to have male levers.
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: So it's like, it's going to be one of these
[1:06:56] Speaker 1: people from this this area of he was a.
[1:06:59] Speaker 2: Gay pimp in Cleveland.
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: Uh huh, yeah, he's from the Roaring Third. They're like,
[1:07:03] Speaker 1: it's going to be someone here in king Rn Kingsbury
[1:07:05] Speaker 1: Run easy.
[1:07:06] Speaker 2: But they follow lead after lead.
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: And they can't find any really good suspects and it
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: leads the investigation leads nowhere, so the press starts calling him,
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: calling the killer the mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run, which
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: is like such a cool fucking name.
[1:07:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good.
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: So a couple months later, on in January of nineteen
[1:07:26] Speaker 1: thirty six, a woman discovers two half busheled baskets left
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: alongside a manufacturing building in the city. Inside the baskets
[1:07:35] Speaker 1: and neatly wrapped in newspaper, she finds about half the
[1:07:38] Speaker 1: body of a female whoa. The rest of her body
[1:07:42] Speaker 1: is found about ten days later in a vacant lot nearby.
[1:07:45] Speaker 1: I mean, people are stumbling upon a nightmare after a nightmare.
[1:07:49] Speaker 2: Also, if it was wrapped, it said it was wrapped
[1:07:51] Speaker 2: in newspaper, so she unwrapped it and be like, what's
[1:07:54] Speaker 2: in here? She's like, this could be a stack of money.
[1:07:56] Speaker 2: That's totally what I would be like. Look at this stained,
[1:07:59] Speaker 2: wet mud. I can't wait to unwrap it and spend it.
[1:08:04] Speaker 2: Fuck no, so fuck. Also, because it's like you're saying, depressionary,
[1:08:08] Speaker 2: she's like, this fucking food. Maybe this food I'm starving.
[1:08:11] Speaker 2: Let this be. How about some nice dishes?
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: No, how about a nightmare for the rest of your life? God,
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: some nice dishes from the five and dime. Um Okay.
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: The cause of death again is decapitation. Fingerprints identified the
[1:08:26] Speaker 1: body as Florence Palilo or flow. She's this fucking like
[1:08:30] Speaker 1: flolow pllilo. She's this like salty fucking older woman. There's
[1:08:36] Speaker 1: like a good photo of her online. She's a waitress,
[1:08:38] Speaker 1: of barmaid and a sex worker. She clearly doesn't give
[1:08:41] Speaker 1: a fuck, carries a shank in her purse like obviously.
[1:08:43] Speaker 2: She's doing it. She's getting hurt, she's stacking that.
[1:08:45] Speaker 1: Paper until she got decapitated. At the time of her death,
[1:08:49] Speaker 1: she lived right on the edge of the rowing third
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: and her head is never found.
[1:08:53] Speaker 2: WHOA Okay.
[1:08:55] Speaker 1: In June and nineteen thirty six in Kingsbury Run, two
[1:08:57] Speaker 1: young boys are fucking out doing stuff and they find
[1:09:02] Speaker 1: the head of a white male wrapped in a pair
[1:09:04] Speaker 1: of trousers.
[1:09:05] Speaker 2: What hm fuck those poor kids.
[1:09:09] Speaker 1: Police found the body of the twenty some year old
[1:09:12] Speaker 1: man the next day, so they found the head. Then
[1:09:14] Speaker 1: they found the buy the next day, dumped in front
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: of a police building. WHOA cleaned and drained of blood.
[1:09:20] Speaker 1: Everything's intact except for the head again caused by decapitation,
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: which is like, we're going to really talk about it.
[1:09:26] Speaker 1: I don't want to. That's the fucking one of the
[1:09:27] Speaker 1: worst ways to die. He died of decapitation.
[1:09:31] Speaker 2: Even fast, isn't it. Yeah, you got a hope? What
[1:09:35] Speaker 2: if it's like for twenty minutes. If you're alive in
[1:09:39] Speaker 2: your head, that's why worse.
[1:09:41] Speaker 1: But that's why you want someone who's actually good at
[1:09:44] Speaker 1: who's like is a butcher or a surgeon.
[1:09:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want someone hacking away your neck. No, no, no,
[1:09:50] Speaker 2: you want a nice guillotine style boom, make it quick.
[1:09:53] Speaker 2: What was that? I didn't feel anything, Lord Jesus, is
[1:09:58] Speaker 2: that you? Yeah, or whoever your lord might be. Yeah,
[1:10:01] Speaker 2: I'll take anyone at that point. Yeah, just give me
[1:10:04] Speaker 2: any Yeah. A plaster reproduction, This is crazy. A pilaster reproduction.
[1:10:07] Speaker 1: Of the man's head because I couldn't identify him, along
[1:10:10] Speaker 1: with diagrams of his tattooed are displayed so the public
[1:10:13] Speaker 1: can try to identify him. And it's this creepy like
[1:10:15] Speaker 1: plaster mask.
[1:10:17] Speaker 2: It's so gross. So that's the one thing I do
[1:10:19] Speaker 2: remember about this. All the details are very fuzzy as
[1:10:22] Speaker 2: until you say them. But though I can see those masks.
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: There's a lot of them, and you actually can see
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: them in Cleveland. We should go when we at the
[1:10:31] Speaker 1: Cleveland Police Museum, they have a bunch of that. Yes
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: we're going, yes, yeah, two ticks you pull that out?
[1:10:37] Speaker 1: If I did that he's called the tattooed Man, and
[1:10:41] Speaker 1: he's never identified. So in July nineteen thirty six, while
[1:10:46] Speaker 1: walking through the woods near the West Side, a teenage
[1:10:48] Speaker 1: girl comes across the decapitated remains of a white male
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: in his forties. The victim had been dead about two months.
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: In his head as well as a pile of bloody
[1:10:56] Speaker 1: clothing was found nearby.
[1:10:58] Speaker 2: Who is doing this two months? That thing? Yeah? Did
[1:11:02] Speaker 2: she not from fifty paces? She had something? Smells terrible?
[1:11:06] Speaker 1: Probably back then everything smelled bad. Oh true, no, true, true, true.
[1:11:11] Speaker 2: This was back when you had to put deoduran on.
[1:11:13] Speaker 2: It was in a pot and you had to put
[1:11:15] Speaker 2: it on cream deodorant. I've ever seen that, knowing you
[1:11:18] Speaker 2: didn't probably shower a lot, right, Yeah, and you just
[1:11:20] Speaker 2: slapped on some cream deodoran. Yeah, no, griss my hand. No.
[1:11:28] Speaker 1: So this time there's an enormous qualic quantity of blood.
[1:11:30] Speaker 1: So they're like, you must have been killed there.
[1:11:32] Speaker 2: In the forest. Yeah, in the woods.
[1:11:34] Speaker 1: Then in September nineteen thirty six, so two months later,
[1:11:38] Speaker 1: a transient trips over the upper half of a man's
[1:11:41] Speaker 1: torso while trying to hop on a train in Kingsbury.
[1:11:45] Speaker 2: Run Oh, did he get on that train? No?
[1:11:49] Speaker 1: I hope so he is trying to catch a train
[1:11:51] Speaker 1: and eat trips, and that's what it is.
[1:11:54] Speaker 2: Insult injury.
[1:11:56] Speaker 1: Police send a diver into a nearby swimming hole like
[1:11:59] Speaker 1: sewer area and find the lower half of the torso
[1:12:02] Speaker 1: and parts.
[1:12:02] Speaker 2: Of both of his legs. I hope that diver was
[1:12:07] Speaker 2: compensated handsomely, handsomely because also it's a swimming hole, so
[1:12:12] Speaker 2: it'd be all murky.
[1:12:13] Speaker 1: It's really probably a gross place.
[1:12:14] Speaker 2: It's more feeling around than diving with your eyes.
[1:12:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, this victim, who's the number six victim, is
[1:12:22] Speaker 1: into the late twenties.
[1:12:23] Speaker 2: Cause of death decapitation.
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: Corner notes that the head had been cut off with
[1:12:27] Speaker 1: one bold, clean stroke, which indicated strong competent killer, very
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: familiar with the human anatomy, and that the victim died instantly.
[1:12:35] Speaker 2: So that's good.
[1:12:36] Speaker 1: Thank god identifications never made because you know, this is
[1:12:39] Speaker 1: the time back then where it's all these transients trying
[1:12:42] Speaker 1: to get jobs. They're they're riding the rails from city
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: to city, trying to not be in the cold, freezing
[1:12:47] Speaker 1: cold winter, trying to make a little bit of money
[1:12:50] Speaker 1: anywhere they can. So it's just this huge transient population.
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: So these and it seems like the killer, you know,
[1:12:58] Speaker 1: use that to his advantage because if they can't identify
[1:13:01] Speaker 1: the victims, they can't.
[1:13:02] Speaker 2: Track who they spoke to, who they were, who they
[1:13:04] Speaker 2: were friends with. Yeah, clearly it was a decision that
[1:13:07] Speaker 2: was being made exactly who to pick exactly.
[1:13:12] Speaker 1: So plaster casts again are made, and some with actual
[1:13:18] Speaker 1: hair from the victims.
[1:13:20] Speaker 2: No, and the plaster.
[1:13:21] Speaker 1: Cast not necessary, No, we get it. Brown hair, Yeah,
[1:13:25] Speaker 1: just a card. So this makes six brutal killings in
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: one year, and the police had no clues or suspects.
[1:13:34] Speaker 1: The press reported almost daily on this. Everyone's freaking the
[1:13:38] Speaker 1: fuck out. The officials are super desperate and embarrassed, and
[1:13:42] Speaker 1: everyone's like, what is crappening? Everyone's like, watch where you walk,
[1:13:46] Speaker 1: don't walk anywhere.
[1:13:47] Speaker 2: Tripping over bodies has become a big thing. Yeah, it's
[1:13:50] Speaker 2: the new.
[1:13:51] Speaker 1: It's all the rage around this time, around the time
[1:13:54] Speaker 1: that these started. Elliot Nass, who's the legendary prohibition agent?
[1:13:59] Speaker 1: You know, we all know, Elliot, it's Kevin Pasner.
[1:14:03] Speaker 2: I remember watching The Untouchables and I was a kid,
[1:14:05] Speaker 2: and I shouldn't have a kid movie.
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: No, I will never forget, and I will never forget.
[1:14:12] Speaker 1: There's a scene where he takes a baseball bat and
[1:14:14] Speaker 1: bashes someone's head. And I haven't seen the movie since
[1:14:17] Speaker 1: I was a kid, and yet I still remember that
[1:14:19] Speaker 1: scene very well.
[1:14:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it really fucked me up. He was the
[1:14:22] Speaker 2: good guy, right, Yeah, I didn't know what I don't
[1:14:27] Speaker 2: know why that was anyways, Elliot nas so he at
[1:14:31] Speaker 2: this point is appointed safety director of Cleveland, which means
[1:14:35] Speaker 2: he's in charge of cops and firefighters and everything.
[1:14:38] Speaker 1: He gets more involved in the case, They put a
[1:14:40] Speaker 1: psychological profile together say that the offender was a psychopath,
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: although probably not obviously insane, he had some knowledge of anatomy,
[1:14:48] Speaker 1: and he would have been very skilled at cutting flesh obviously,
[1:14:53] Speaker 1: because decapitations are very messy. It was believed that he
[1:14:56] Speaker 1: had access to some private space where the murders were performed.
[1:15:01] Speaker 1: And if this was true, then the fact that the
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: bodies had been carried long distances to be dumped indicated
[1:15:07] Speaker 1: that he was probably really strong. So he also may
[1:15:10] Speaker 1: have been familiar with the Kingsbury Run area. And yeah,
[1:15:15] Speaker 1: and then two full time detectives are put on the case.
[1:15:18] Speaker 1: These two dudes go undercover into Kingsbury run like shanty town,
[1:15:22] Speaker 1: which sounds so much fucking fun.
[1:15:23] Speaker 2: Doesn't that shit? Why isn't there a movie about this?
[1:15:26] Speaker 2: I don't know, because that's amazing. I think it's called
[1:15:28] Speaker 2: The Adventures of Natty Yan, isn't it.
[1:15:32] Speaker 4: She went into put shanty town, I don't know, decapitation murder,
[1:15:35] Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, that's part two. She was so brave,
[1:15:39] Speaker 4: that little girl. That would kind of be amazing female empowerment.
[1:15:44] Speaker 2: She just seems tripping over tourso marching through hand me
[1:15:47] Speaker 2: that head cool. She didn't give a fuck. So they
[1:15:52] Speaker 2: get it. They get a fucking go undercover.
[1:15:54] Speaker 1: There's like photos of them too online of like being like,
[1:15:57] Speaker 1: oh look at me, bring a hobo, and it's like
[1:15:58] Speaker 1: it's like if you weren't a dress up as a
[1:16:00] Speaker 1: quote hobo for fucking Halloween, like how you look?
[1:16:03] Speaker 2: No? Sorry, can I sidebar this? Yes? Because I did
[1:16:06] Speaker 2: dress up as a hobo one year. Okay I may
[1:16:08] Speaker 2: have told you. Yeah, it was my own idea because
[1:16:11] Speaker 2: right around age eight, I think my mom started telling
[1:16:14] Speaker 2: me I was on my own Halloween costume style. So
[1:16:17] Speaker 2: it was just like whatever you could gather around the
[1:16:20] Speaker 2: house was your costume. One time I was a caddy
[1:16:24] Speaker 2: because I found old, a small, old set of golf
[1:16:28] Speaker 2: clubs in the garage.
[1:16:30] Speaker 4: Then we just carried golf plucks around.
[1:16:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my costume. Where did we manual labor?
[1:16:38] Speaker 2: How did we? Why didn't we? Why didn't anyone care?
[1:16:43] Speaker 2: Whatt your kids?
[1:16:43] Speaker 1: And then you go you dress as a fucking caddy
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: and then it's like go out by yourself at night
[1:16:48] Speaker 1: and knock on people's doors and ask for candy.
[1:16:50] Speaker 2: But it didn't I didn't make it to the night
[1:16:52] Speaker 2: with a caddy outfit because at school in its like
[1:16:55] Speaker 2: Halloween parade, I learned my lesson of like I'm carrying
[1:16:58] Speaker 2: twenty pounds of golf clubs for every reason. And also
[1:17:02] Speaker 2: in this day and age, can you imagine a parent
[1:17:04] Speaker 2: being like make your own costume. They would be arrested
[1:17:07] Speaker 2: and like you would never hear from them again. Yeah.
[1:17:11] Speaker 2: So anyway, that year I became I was a hobo.
[1:17:15] Speaker 2: So I just had a bunch of old clothes and
[1:17:16] Speaker 2: you know, it was the classic seventies child costume. Sure,
[1:17:20] Speaker 2: but what I thought was going to be innovative is
[1:17:22] Speaker 2: I put vaciline on my face and then I put
[1:17:25] Speaker 2: coffee grounds on the vassiline so that it looked like
[1:17:28] Speaker 2: I had there, And it was fun and creative until
[1:17:32] Speaker 2: the part where we all ate delicious snacks started happening,
[1:17:35] Speaker 2: and everything I ate tasted like coffee because that was
[1:17:39] Speaker 2: what was on my face. And I ruined Halloween for myself. No,
[1:17:43] Speaker 2: my mother ruined Halloween for me. I think the seventies
[1:17:47] Speaker 2: ruined How How did any of us enjoy fucking anything?
[1:17:51] Speaker 2: That's a great question. It was all abba zaba anyway, Okay,
[1:17:55] Speaker 2: go ahead. They're dressed up like right.
[1:18:00] Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. They interview more than fifteen hundred people.
[1:18:03] Speaker 1: It becomes the biggest police investigation in Cleveland history. And
[1:18:06] Speaker 1: then on February nineteen thirty seven, a man finds the
[1:18:09] Speaker 1: upper half of a female torso washed up on shore,
[1:18:14] Speaker 1: on the shore east of Broughtanal got that wrong, rattenal
[1:18:20] Speaker 1: braughtan all b rht brought E n Ahl Britannel.
[1:18:27] Speaker 2: I hear Cleveland screaming.
[1:18:28] Speaker 1: About us from the audience right now of our fucking
[1:18:31] Speaker 1: Cleveland show.
[1:18:31] Speaker 2: It sounds like, yeah, really right, Scooby Doo talk right.
[1:18:35] Speaker 1: Unlike all the previous victims, the cause of death had
[1:18:38] Speaker 1: not been decapitation it because that had happened after she
[1:18:40] Speaker 1: had already been dead, and the lower half of the
[1:18:42] Speaker 1: torso washed ashore three months later at about East thirtieth Street.
[1:18:47] Speaker 1: The woman was in her late twenties. She's never identified. Wow,
[1:18:50] Speaker 1: So it's weird too that again, like with your dude,
[1:18:53] Speaker 1: they're changing up the mos. Yeah, so it's almost like,
[1:18:56] Speaker 1: you know, nobody's fucking safe.
[1:18:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, because if they do it long enough, they're like
[1:19:00] Speaker 2: developing and fine tuning right their own creepy.
[1:19:04] Speaker 1: I mean, it becomes for both these cases, it's not
[1:19:06] Speaker 1: about it's about the act, not about the victim, and
[1:19:11] Speaker 1: not about a want and a need. It's more like
[1:19:15] Speaker 1: about this obsession.
[1:19:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:19:17] Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter if you do it on a
[1:19:18] Speaker 1: boy or a girl or a grown woman or you know.
[1:19:21] Speaker 2: Right, it's all the Yeah, it's the planning and the
[1:19:26] Speaker 2: and the picking and the right. It's enjoying. It's enjoying.
[1:19:30] Speaker 2: It's being a psychopath. Yeah, it's being a murderous, lunatic
[1:19:34] Speaker 2: psychopath totally.
[1:19:35] Speaker 1: June nineteen thirty seven, a teenage boy discovers a human skull.
[1:19:39] Speaker 1: Next to it in a burlac bag is several remains
[1:19:43] Speaker 1: of what turned out to be a petite black woman.
[1:19:44] Speaker 1: So this time it's a black woman, which changes the motion.
[1:19:47] Speaker 2: About forty years old, gentle work shows that she is
[1:19:52] Speaker 2: Rose Wallace, and police follow every lead they have on her,
[1:19:57] Speaker 2: but nothing is found.
[1:19:59] Speaker 1: Then in July nineteen thirty seven, the National Guard had
[1:20:02] Speaker 1: been called to maintain order at the flats or you know,
[1:20:05] Speaker 1: everything's going on, and a young guardsman is standing watch
[1:20:09] Speaker 1: by a bridge and sees the first piece of victim
[1:20:12] Speaker 1: number nine in the wake of a passing tugboat.
[1:20:15] Speaker 2: Ooh.
[1:20:16] Speaker 1: Over the next few days, police recovered the entire body
[1:20:19] Speaker 1: except for the head, from the waters of the Cuyahoga River.
[1:20:22] Speaker 1: The victim who had been mutilated was in his mid
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: to late thirties. He's never identified. God, how did it's crazy?
[1:20:29] Speaker 2: Did it come off the tugboat? Perhaps? Ooh, that's a
[1:20:32] Speaker 2: good question. I mean, like, did it make anyone go?
[1:20:36] Speaker 2: Maybe the cause if you were on a boat, if
[1:20:39] Speaker 2: you were the captain, say you were like a crab
[1:20:41] Speaker 2: fisherman or something, you're not near the ocean, but some
[1:20:46] Speaker 2: that is a yeah. That it's a vessel where you
[1:20:48] Speaker 2: could be by yourself totally. You could clean things ooh,
[1:20:53] Speaker 2: and you could rinse things off in the water, in
[1:20:56] Speaker 2: the water that's around you. That's a good point, thank you. Um,
[1:21:01] Speaker 2: let's look into that, okay.
[1:21:03] Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty eight, a young laborer is on his
[1:21:05] Speaker 1: way to work in the flats and saw what he
[1:21:07] Speaker 1: first thought was a dead fish along the banks of
[1:21:10] Speaker 1: the Cuyahoga River. Turns out to be the lower half
[1:21:13] Speaker 1: of a woman's leg. Oh, this is victim number ten.
[1:21:16] Speaker 1: A month later, police pulled two burlack bags out of
[1:21:19] Speaker 1: the river, containing both parts of the torso and most
[1:21:21] Speaker 1: of the rest of the legs. She's never identified.
[1:21:23] Speaker 2: Wow. Okay.
[1:21:25] Speaker 1: Then in August nineteen thirty eight, three scrap collectors forging
[1:21:30] Speaker 1: in a dump site, which we're like, don't do that
[1:21:32] Speaker 1: in Cleveland right now, guys.
[1:21:33] Speaker 2: Guys, this is the time where you maybe get into writing, right,
[1:21:38] Speaker 2: maybe go internal. Yeah, don't do any kind of garbage
[1:21:43] Speaker 2: based activity. No, exactly.
[1:21:46] Speaker 1: They find the torso a woman wrapped in a man's
[1:21:49] Speaker 1: double breasted blue blazer, then wrapped again in an old quilt.
[1:21:53] Speaker 1: The legs and arms are discovered in a recently constructed
[1:21:56] Speaker 1: makeshift box, wrapped in brown butcher paper and held together
[1:21:59] Speaker 1: with rubber bands and This is the weirdest one to
[1:22:01] Speaker 1: me because it's makes me think that they're and obviously
[1:22:05] Speaker 1: this is one of the ideas, is that it's a
[1:22:07] Speaker 1: lot of different killers because this one's like it's disposed
[1:22:12] Speaker 1: of so differently, and I'm shocked that they couldn't find
[1:22:14] Speaker 1: any clue based on that from.
[1:22:16] Speaker 2: A suit jacket where back when everything was tailor made.
[1:22:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, from the suit jacket to the box, to the
[1:22:23] Speaker 1: rubber bands to the quilt. It's like, it's so crazy
[1:22:27] Speaker 1: that they couldn't find anything.
[1:22:28] Speaker 2: And maybe if it just if it were the same killer,
[1:22:33] Speaker 2: they've done it so many times and now they're taunting
[1:22:36] Speaker 2: the police of like there's a ton of clues and
[1:22:38] Speaker 2: you're still not going to find me.
[1:22:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, could be yeah, so okay.
[1:22:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's a big difference between a burlap sack
[1:22:47] Speaker 2: and a blazing Yeah, it's very weird.
[1:22:50] Speaker 1: And it's like that it's hidden more than it more
[1:22:53] Speaker 1: than it was and it was in a dump site,
[1:22:54] Speaker 1: so it was like it wasn't left out to be found.
[1:22:56] Speaker 1: So I bet this one is I bet this one
[1:22:59] Speaker 1: is made is like the husband made to look like,
[1:23:02] Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's one of the victims.
[1:23:03] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Torso Killer.
[1:23:05] Speaker 1: Smart that you think, And it says that some of
[1:23:09] Speaker 1: the parts looked like they had been refrigerated. While searching
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: for more pieces, the police discovered the remains of a
[1:23:16] Speaker 1: second body only yards away.
[1:23:18] Speaker 2: Never mind, so well, maybe that was her lover. Maybe
[1:23:21] Speaker 2: here we go.
[1:23:22] Speaker 1: These two bodies have been placed in a location that
[1:23:24] Speaker 1: was in plain view from Elliot Nessa's office window. Whoa,
[1:23:29] Speaker 1: so yeah, toying with him?
[1:23:32] Speaker 3: Well?
[1:23:32] Speaker 2: Also, that's his office was close to a dump site. Yeah,
[1:23:35] Speaker 2: like the dumps Yeah essentially.
[1:23:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I wonder if theories what?
[1:23:44] Speaker 2: Well?
[1:23:44] Speaker 1: If it so, maybe it was like, let's say it
[1:23:46] Speaker 1: was the husband who killed the wife and the lover
[1:23:50] Speaker 1: and wanted them to get found because he wants the
[1:23:52] Speaker 1: insurance money. But they're gonna just assume that it was
[1:23:54] Speaker 1: killed by the Torso killer. So it wasn't like he
[1:23:56] Speaker 1: murdered them, right, I don't.
[1:23:58] Speaker 2: Know that'd be a great plan. Yeah, thank you. And
[1:24:02] Speaker 2: that means by that I mean terrible, I mean awful really.
[1:24:06] Speaker 1: So August eighteenth, nineteen thirty eight, at twelve forty am,
[1:24:09] Speaker 1: Elliot ness and a group of thirty five police officers
[1:24:12] Speaker 1: and detectives raid the hobo Jungles of the Kingsbury run.
[1:24:16] Speaker 1: They arrest sixty three men there, and they search the
[1:24:20] Speaker 1: shanties that they are that are now deserted, looking for clues.
[1:24:24] Speaker 2: But you can't decapitated and emasculate a body in a shanty,
[1:24:30] Speaker 2: so they just go after the poorest and represented.
[1:24:35] Speaker 1: Well, they think, because all these bodies seem to be
[1:24:38] Speaker 1: of transience, that it must be one of their own. Okay,
[1:24:41] Speaker 1: doing it all right, But yeah, they're not going to
[1:24:43] Speaker 1: do it in the shanty.
[1:24:44] Speaker 2: There's very little privacy in a shanty town. That's true
[1:24:48] Speaker 2: from my experience. That's a country song, I think, any
[1:24:52] Speaker 2: tone of myself in the shanty town.
[1:24:57] Speaker 1: And then they set the shacks on fire and burn
[1:25:00] Speaker 1: the whole fucking chanty town around. Yeah, that's what the
[1:25:05] Speaker 1: fucking Cleveland people said too.
[1:25:07] Speaker 2: What the fuck?
[1:25:08] Speaker 1: No, their non solution, non solution. The press are really
[1:25:12] Speaker 1: pissed off about it too. They criticized Ness for his actions,
[1:25:18] Speaker 1: but the murders did stop after this happened.
[1:25:22] Speaker 2: Oh maybe, okay, okay.
[1:25:24] Speaker 1: In July nineteen thirty nine, they bring in their suspect,
[1:25:29] Speaker 1: fifty two year old Bohemian bricklayer Frank dolez All, does all.
[1:25:35] Speaker 2: Doles all, Oh, like Rachel Dolezoal, a woman who posed
[1:25:39] Speaker 2: to me black? How did she spell it? Do l
[1:25:42] Speaker 2: e Zl? I think, yes, that's off that was off right,
[1:25:47] Speaker 2: Frank Dozel does all. Well, what a rich history that
[1:25:50] Speaker 2: family has happened.
[1:25:51] Speaker 1: I mean, So he's arrested because he had lived with Flow,
[1:25:56] Speaker 1: our friend Flow, and who had been was the body
[1:26:00] Speaker 1: that was found in the baskets. He had lived with
[1:26:02] Speaker 1: her for a while, and it revealed that he had
[1:26:04] Speaker 1: been acquainted with the two other identified bodies, Edward Andressy
[1:26:08] Speaker 1: and Rose Wallace. So, after a ton of questioning and
[1:26:12] Speaker 1: getting beat the fuck up by investigators, he confesses that
[1:26:15] Speaker 1: he had stabbed her killed her in self defense, but
[1:26:19] Speaker 1: he didn't know any of the case details, and it
[1:26:23] Speaker 1: didn't He kept getting bruises and injuries from his time
[1:26:28] Speaker 1: in custody with the Cleveland Police, and within a month
[1:26:32] Speaker 1: in custody he's found dead in his cell. Oh no,
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: it said he hung himself with his bed sheets from
[1:26:41] Speaker 1: a hook that was five fot seven inches to off
[1:26:47] Speaker 1: the ground and he was five foot eight. No, so
[1:26:50] Speaker 1: that math doesn't have a and when the medical record
[1:26:54] Speaker 1: show he had four broken he had broken ribs and
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: bruises all over his body that were not there before
[1:26:59] Speaker 1: he entered prison. Yeah, so not fucking I'm just telling
[1:27:04] Speaker 1: you the information I read, not saying anything.
[1:27:08] Speaker 2: It's really good call, but yeah, that's dead all sounds.
[1:27:12] Speaker 2: The problem with that too, is when you kill the suspect,
[1:27:17] Speaker 2: even if it's a bad suspect, you still don't know anything, right,
[1:27:20] Speaker 2: Like you're you're still cutting off that line of information.
[1:27:23] Speaker 2: Well it's almost like you're not learning anything, and you
[1:27:26] Speaker 2: get more and more angry about it, and so you
[1:27:29] Speaker 2: hurt him.
[1:27:29] Speaker 1: More and more to get more information. But if he
[1:27:32] Speaker 1: doesn't know the information, he can't give it to you, right.
[1:27:34] Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, to this day, no one thinks that
[1:27:39] Speaker 1: he is the killer. Ugh, all the historians and shit.
[1:27:45] Speaker 1: So but it turns out there's a secret suspect that
[1:27:48] Speaker 1: Elliot Ness interrogated in nineteen thirty eight, but it didn't
[1:27:52] Speaker 1: come out who it was until the nineteen seventies.
[1:27:54] Speaker 2: Was it Herbert Hoover?
[1:27:55] Speaker 1: It was Herbert? Turns out it was a deranged doctor. Yeah,
[1:28:01] Speaker 1: of course, sorry, I love that. Yeah, doctor Francis E. Sweeney.
[1:28:05] Speaker 2: And he sounds like, you know, a fucking classic deranged doctor, okay,
[1:28:10] Speaker 2: murderer type. Love it.
[1:28:11] Speaker 1: He's a veteran of World War One who was part
[1:28:14] Speaker 1: of the medical unit that conducted amputations.
[1:28:17] Speaker 2: Why did you just laugh, Stephen?
[1:28:20] Speaker 3: I was trying to cover up a sneeze.
[1:28:21] Speaker 2: Oh okay, good, We're like, Oh, Steven's finally as fucked
[1:28:25] Speaker 2: up as a Oh no, he's sneezing. I thought you
[1:28:27] Speaker 2: laughed so hard that you like had to cover your face. Stephen.
[1:28:32] Speaker 2: That that's when it's revealed Stephen's intensely evil and has
[1:28:36] Speaker 2: been this entire time.
[1:28:37] Speaker 1: It's the thing, the thing that gets him is World
[1:28:39] Speaker 1: War one amputees.
[1:28:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's his fucking favorite. That's when Stephen's real personality,
[1:28:45] Speaker 2: Steve comes out. Ste Steve.
[1:28:49] Speaker 1: Okay, so he's part of a medical unit that conducted
[1:28:52] Speaker 1: amputations and patching's up in the field during the interrogation
[1:28:56] Speaker 1: by Elliot Nass, who's like at this point losing a
[1:28:58] Speaker 1: shit because he's so embarrassed he can't find the killer.
[1:29:01] Speaker 1: Sweeney said to have quote failed to pass to polygraph tests.
[1:29:05] Speaker 1: But they were kind of in their early stages at
[1:29:07] Speaker 1: the time, so that's you know, were not totally no.
[1:29:10] Speaker 2: Back then it was just a third cop holding your
[1:29:12] Speaker 2: finger and I go lying, not lying, very early, rudimentary.
[1:29:18] Speaker 1: That's exactly right. You can see that. You can see
[1:29:22] Speaker 1: that in the Cleveland Cop Museum too, just that same
[1:29:25] Speaker 1: cop sitting there.
[1:29:26] Speaker 2: We're going to go meet him. It look it's the
[1:29:28] Speaker 2: original lie detectors, just screaming at people's faces. That guy, Oh, Larry,
[1:29:33] Speaker 2: he was amazing li best lie detector. He was a
[1:29:38] Speaker 2: lie detective. That's right. I don't know, it seems that okay.
[1:29:42] Speaker 1: So it seems like elliot ness definitely thought that fucking
[1:29:46] Speaker 1: creepy Francis E. Sweeney was the killer, but there isn't
[1:29:51] Speaker 1: a lot of information on it because it turns out
[1:29:53] Speaker 1: that Sweeney was the first cousin of one of elliot
[1:29:56] Speaker 1: Nessa's political opponents, Congressman Martin L. Sweeney, who had been
[1:30:00] Speaker 1: hounding Elliotness in the press publicly about his failure to
[1:30:04] Speaker 1: catch the killer. So he was about to run again
[1:30:07] Speaker 1: so it would look really bad. He was like, well,
[1:30:08] Speaker 1: guess what, it's your cousin who's the killer, and no
[1:30:11] Speaker 1: one would believe him, and then if he were wrong,
[1:30:13] Speaker 1: he would ruin his career. Elians' career, Yes, very high stakes, right,
[1:30:18] Speaker 1: So he's like fuck, I can't do this, but I
[1:30:20] Speaker 1: totally think it's this dude. And then he was like
[1:30:22] Speaker 1: told everyone, don't fucking tell anyone, and no one fucking
[1:30:24] Speaker 1: told anyone until this dude was writing a book in
[1:30:26] Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies and was like, shit, he was fucking
[1:30:29] Speaker 1: Frank E.
[1:30:29] Speaker 2: Sweeney.
[1:30:30] Speaker 1: So after he comes under suspicion, doctor Sweeney commits himself
[1:30:34] Speaker 1: to an insane I'm asylum and there are no more
[1:30:36] Speaker 1: leads or connections that police could assigned to him as
[1:30:38] Speaker 1: a possible suspect. From his hospital confinement, he's threatening. Postcards
[1:30:44] Speaker 1: signed by Sweeney mocked and harrask here sent to elliot ness,
[1:30:48] Speaker 1: and they mocked and harassed him and his family into
[1:30:51] Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. Whoa he signed them F E. Sweeney
[1:30:54] Speaker 1: paranoidal parent paranoidal nemesis, paranoidal parentidal nemesis.
[1:31:01] Speaker 2: Wow, okay, of course, I mean that's like kind of
[1:31:05] Speaker 2: admitting that you did it. Oh, Like that's crazy. Yeah,
[1:31:09] Speaker 2: he's crazy.
[1:31:11] Speaker 1: It's possible, of course, that there were many murderers and copycats,
[1:31:13] Speaker 1: which I think might be the case. Similar decapitation murders
[1:31:17] Speaker 1: occurred in neighboring Newcastle, Pennsylvania, as well from nineteen twenty
[1:31:21] Speaker 1: three to nineteen forty and none of those were ever
[1:31:23] Speaker 1: solved either either. So there's a lot of similar cases.
[1:31:27] Speaker 1: And before the first two bodies were ever found, in
[1:31:31] Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four, a woman's torso washed up on this
[1:31:34] Speaker 1: shores of Lake Erie outside of Cleveland.
[1:31:37] Speaker 2: The victims flesh had also had.
[1:31:40] Speaker 1: The chemicals on it that looked like it had been trying
[1:31:43] Speaker 1: to embalm her, and they called her the Lady of
[1:31:46] Speaker 1: the Lake. But it wasn't until later that they put
[1:31:48] Speaker 1: those they made the connection that they were all they
[1:31:50] Speaker 1: could have been the same killer.
[1:31:52] Speaker 2: Oh wow, but but do do do? Do? Okay? Okay.
[1:31:57] Speaker 1: So it's also been theorized that the Cleveland to So
[1:32:00] Speaker 1: murder cases have some connection to January nineteen forty seven
[1:32:05] Speaker 1: murder of Elizabeth Short aka the Black Dahlia. In fact,
[1:32:10] Speaker 1: one of the many suspects from Cleveland was living a
[1:32:16] Speaker 1: few blocks away from where the body of the Black
[1:32:18] Speaker 1: Dahlia was found seven and a half and drained of blood.
[1:32:22] Speaker 2: No fucking way, way, So somebody that got interviewed for
[1:32:26] Speaker 2: for the way back in the thirties or those murders
[1:32:29] Speaker 2: in Cleveland ffteen years before huh, moves out to Sunny,
[1:32:33] Speaker 2: CA couple blocks away to try his hand at acting,
[1:32:37] Speaker 2: huh or what have you?
[1:32:39] Speaker 1: Foh yeah, like, what are the fucking chances?
[1:32:42] Speaker 2: The very low? I would guess? Or was he was? He?
[1:32:47] Speaker 1: Like, maybe he did kill her and he just wasn't
[1:32:50] Speaker 1: also the killer of the Torso people in Cleveland.
[1:32:54] Speaker 2: That would would not even be more of a coincidence.
[1:32:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, because he'd been following the murders
[1:33:00] Speaker 1: that whole time in Cleveland.
[1:33:01] Speaker 2: He was like, that sounds like fine, and he killed her,
[1:33:03] Speaker 2: so he was either way copycatting as well. Yeah, either
[1:33:05] Speaker 2: way he killed the black tahll ya shit. Yeah.
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: But it's interesting to note that doctor Sweeney, who didn't
[1:33:12] Speaker 1: dine till nineteen sixty four, spent the rest of his
[1:33:14] Speaker 1: life committed. He was allowed to leave for days or
[1:33:18] Speaker 1: weeks at a time because he committed himself, oh until
[1:33:23] Speaker 1: his permanent institutionalization in nineteen fifty five.
[1:33:26] Speaker 2: So maybe that motherfucker went to California for all? Yeah,
[1:33:29] Speaker 2: where'd he go when he got to leave? Great question?
[1:33:32] Speaker 1: Ooh Nessa's inability to catch the killer drove him fucking crazy,
[1:33:38] Speaker 1: and it also tarnished his reputation, which we know is
[1:33:40] Speaker 1: like fucking superhistoric and godly, and official police records on
[1:33:48] Speaker 1: the case have been lost, destroyed or removed, and so
[1:33:53] Speaker 1: Cleveland Police Museum dot com a lot of good information
[1:33:56] Speaker 1: there and a lot of photos. There's some gruesome ones too,
[1:34:00] Speaker 1: so you guys know.
[1:34:00] Speaker 2: And also a website called Prairie Ghosts dot com got
[1:34:04] Speaker 2: a lot of good information there as well. Nice.
[1:34:06] Speaker 1: So that is the uh the Cleveland Torso killer or
[1:34:13] Speaker 1: the Mad Butcher of Kingsberry run.
[1:34:14] Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah. Also the fact that that that ends with
[1:34:19] Speaker 2: hooking up to another great unsolved mystery is insane, Like
[1:34:26] Speaker 2: it's so good. I know, I'm crazy. Yeah, Because then
[1:34:32] Speaker 2: it means potentially it's some say, thirty years from now
[1:34:35] Speaker 2: they find some kind of cat whatever, Like what if
[1:34:38] Speaker 2: one day it's solved and it's not it's the Black
[1:34:41] Speaker 2: Dahlia and the Mad Butcher of kings Jerry, the Black
[1:34:44] Speaker 2: Dahlia will ever be solved. I mean, that's what I
[1:34:48] Speaker 2: ask for for Christmas. So yes, I believe that.
[1:34:52] Speaker 1: Santa can hear me a speck of DNA and then
[1:34:56] Speaker 1: they put it through codis and it's related.
[1:34:58] Speaker 2: It's the relation DNA that they have now that's so cool.
[1:35:02] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, where it can be like, uh, you're the
[1:35:07] Speaker 1: person who's DNA this matches is related to this other
[1:35:10] Speaker 1: person who's in Codis. Oh so even if they're not
[1:35:12] Speaker 1: in Codis, which because they'll be so old it wouldn't
[1:35:15] Speaker 1: be in there, but they could be like, this is
[1:35:16] Speaker 1: the person's great grandson.
[1:35:18] Speaker 2: So they could track them down anyway.
[1:35:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, if that person is in Codis.
[1:35:22] Speaker 2: Did you ever listen to that series? And I'm not
[1:35:24] Speaker 2: gonna be able to remember it off? Oh no, I can.
[1:35:27] Speaker 2: It's Hollywood and Crime. Oh yeah, did you listen to that?
[1:35:29] Speaker 2: And it's like basically all those there were a bunch
[1:35:32] Speaker 2: of similar murders before and after. That podcast is so
[1:35:35] Speaker 2: fucking good Hollywood and Crime. If you haven't listened to it, man,
[1:35:38] Speaker 2: that's good. And it is. It weighs right into all
[1:35:42] Speaker 2: this whole the Black Delia territory, Black Delia thing is.
[1:35:45] Speaker 1: It's it's so much bigger than you thought. Yeah, and
[1:35:48] Speaker 1: it's it's a great podcast. Yeah, it tells all these stories.
[1:35:53] Speaker 1: It tells it so well.
[1:35:54] Speaker 2: It's like it's re enactments. I feel like I recognize
[1:35:57] Speaker 2: some of the actors that are playing, like the cops
[1:35:58] Speaker 2: and stuff, really good voice acting in it.
[1:36:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, listen to it from the beginning, because it's not
[1:36:03] Speaker 1: it's episodic, it's not.
[1:36:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, and you need to know because there's all these
[1:36:07] Speaker 2: it's all connected. It's like it's amazing. So good. Oh
[1:36:10] Speaker 2: that was great, Thank you Cleveland. Please let's say so
[1:36:18] Speaker 2: let's see Okay, all right, good job us, Good job us.
[1:36:25] Speaker 2: That was really fun. Twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen, let's do
[1:36:31] Speaker 2: it more haunted trains in the background. Twenty eighteen. I
[1:36:35] Speaker 2: can't ever move from here else. I'm not gonna have
[1:36:36] Speaker 2: a haunted train. And now it's the best.
[1:36:39] Speaker 1: Should we start recording from a fucking train to train.
[1:36:44] Speaker 2: Train boxcar, boxcar, from the dining car of a train
[1:36:49] Speaker 2: where we have to wear like Forti's outfits and those
[1:36:53] Speaker 2: pillbox hats with netting down the front, Martini's snoots, Martinis
[1:36:57] Speaker 2: with tons of olives. I mean, here's the thing. More,
[1:37:00] Speaker 2: if we get threatened by nuclear war, even just a
[1:37:03] Speaker 2: little bit more, I feel like I should start drinking again.
[1:37:07] Speaker 2: I feel like nothing bad will happen.
[1:37:10] Speaker 1: I think, wait till the first mom is dropped, okay,
[1:37:12] Speaker 1: and then I support you.
[1:37:14] Speaker 2: But then you're right, you're right.
[1:37:17] Speaker 1: But if you have a bummer, if you die of
[1:37:18] Speaker 1: a seizure before you could die of nuclear holocaust, wait
[1:37:24] Speaker 1: till you're ready to die of a seizure.
[1:37:26] Speaker 2: Okay, promise me. But here's the thing. The just so
[1:37:31] Speaker 2: it just says an FYI, the liquor and the seizures
[1:37:34] Speaker 2: are not directly related. The reason I can't drink is
[1:37:36] Speaker 2: because my medicine is bad on my liver. Oh so
[1:37:39] Speaker 2: you can't. You basically like will like speed yourself in
[1:37:43] Speaker 2: deliver failure if you keep drinking. But it's not good
[1:37:46] Speaker 2: for it. But it won't immediately make me have a seizure.
[1:37:49] Speaker 1: Okay, if we sow, tell how long I think I
[1:37:54] Speaker 1: got a.
[1:37:54] Speaker 2: Good six months bender in me before I drop. I
[1:37:57] Speaker 2: don't think that we're gonna be around that much longer. Okay, Okay,
[1:38:04] Speaker 2: we're back. Are there updates for the story? There are updates.
[1:38:07] Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, DNA Doe Project teamed up with
[1:38:10] Speaker 1: Cuyahoga Counties Chief Medical Examiner to exhume the bodies of
[1:38:15] Speaker 1: the John and Jane does associated with this case to
[1:38:18] Speaker 1: test them for DNA and attempts to identify them using
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: genetic genealogy. They had planned to test the remains from
[1:38:25] Speaker 1: John Doe number four, which was the tattooed man, and
[1:38:27] Speaker 1: John Doe number six, but there hasn't been anything else
[1:38:31] Speaker 1: published regarding that, and we all know that takes such
[1:38:33] Speaker 1: a long time, especially for cold cases where the culprit
[1:38:37] Speaker 1: is probably deceased most likely, so they're not in a rush,
[1:38:41] Speaker 1: but god, it'd be really incredible to get some answers there.
[1:38:44] Speaker 2: I mean, just more and more waiting. It's like, once
[1:38:47] Speaker 2: they start the testing, shouldn't the rule be that they
[1:38:50] Speaker 2: have to get it done in a month or something
[1:38:52] Speaker 2: like geez, it's like getting an RSVP to a wedding.
[1:38:55] Speaker 1: It's like, if you don't do it by this time,
[1:38:57] Speaker 1: you don't get a come to the wedding.
[1:38:58] Speaker 2: Yes, ye, right, same thing. What we're demanding is that
[1:39:01] Speaker 2: you wrap it up. But also just like what is
[1:39:03] Speaker 2: the answer to that? Would those names bring them any
[1:39:07] Speaker 2: closer to finding? Like would that help center that killer?
[1:39:12] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:39:12] Speaker 2: Because it's who was that killer?
[1:39:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems random the victims. It doesn't seem like
[1:39:17] Speaker 1: that suddenly everyone would be like, oh, it's that guy.
[1:39:19] Speaker 2: But it could be like.
[1:39:21] Speaker 1: Your fucking murderer where it's like exactly, everyone news, the bartender,
[1:39:25] Speaker 1: wherever the place they all went to.
[1:39:27] Speaker 2: Yes, that's my obsession. Your obsession is call cases. My
[1:39:30] Speaker 2: obsession is wolf hiding in plain sight, Wolf in sheeps clothing,
[1:39:35] Speaker 2: monster hiding in plain site. It's that is such an
[1:39:38] Speaker 2: ultimate brain, Like the wall in your brain is built
[1:39:42] Speaker 2: so high, and behind it you are doing the most
[1:39:45] Speaker 2: heinous things and like, but then you're just in the world,
[1:39:48] Speaker 2: able to blend.
[1:39:50] Speaker 1: Because we want these people who do such a thing
[1:39:52] Speaker 1: to be so obviously out there and disconnected from us.
[1:39:58] Speaker 1: But when they're not there life maybe even better at
[1:40:02] Speaker 1: socializing in society than definitely me.
[1:40:04] Speaker 2: Oh they're master's Yes, exactly. Spoiler but this is like
[1:40:08] Speaker 2: that episode from Widow's Bay where it's the clown Killer
[1:40:11] Speaker 2: and he he hangs out with.
[1:40:15] Speaker 1: As soon as I saw him, I was like, he
[1:40:17] Speaker 1: that guy.
[1:40:18] Speaker 2: And then that part where he he's in the crowds
[1:40:22] Speaker 2: down like hey, buddy needs it's the scariest words you've
[1:40:25] Speaker 2: ever heard, Right, That's what's so scary. It's like canny.
[1:40:28] Speaker 1: That's why I think we like messy people because we're like, oh,
[1:40:31] Speaker 1: they don't have their shit together enough to be like
[1:40:32] Speaker 1: a cunning secret murderer.
[1:40:34] Speaker 2: No, they're all all their shit's on the table and
[1:40:37] Speaker 2: they can't seem to get it picked back up. They're
[1:40:39] Speaker 2: just it's just there.
[1:40:41] Speaker 1: Enjoy I like a messy pickup sticks, so a person.
[1:40:44] Speaker 2: I like costumes, nice clarity, and no hiding, especially murderous impulses. Okay,
[1:40:50] Speaker 2: now we are going to get into good things of
[1:40:52] Speaker 2: the week for this episode.
[1:40:57] Speaker 1: I think this nuclear holocaust is now that is the
[1:41:01] Speaker 1: end where we say something pop.
[1:41:04] Speaker 2: Well the upswing a.
[1:41:07] Speaker 1: I had such a good time doing jack shit over
[1:41:09] Speaker 1: the holidays, and I'm like, you know what, when the
[1:41:12] Speaker 1: nuclear vincent are going to hold up in here, We've
[1:41:14] Speaker 1: got water, we've got cat food. I will like to
[1:41:16] Speaker 1: say this do I got an argument with someone about
[1:41:18] Speaker 1: how I wouldn't eat my.
[1:41:19] Speaker 2: Cats what the fuck? And they were like, you have to.
[1:41:22] Speaker 1: I just remembered I got really mad at this guy,
[1:41:25] Speaker 1: my friend's cousin at the Magic Castle Good because we
[1:41:28] Speaker 1: got in this argument about.
[1:41:29] Speaker 2: Like, uh, you'd eat what? You would eat your cats?
[1:41:33] Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'd kill myself before you eat my
[1:41:34] Speaker 1: cats if I'm like if I have to, and he's like, no,
[1:41:37] Speaker 1: you wouldn't, Like fuck you I.
[1:41:38] Speaker 2: Got like some mad, and I was like, why am
[1:41:41] Speaker 2: I talking to this guy? And turned Also, first of all,
[1:41:44] Speaker 2: have you ever seen this cat? There's not a insively
[1:41:47] Speaker 2: on his body. That's what I was saying. For what
[1:41:49] Speaker 2: three extra days? That's just giblets. Yeah, and you got
[1:41:52] Speaker 2: nothing going on in that cat. That pouch on his
[1:41:54] Speaker 2: belly is just skin. That's yeah, you could, you could
[1:41:57] Speaker 2: chew on it, but.
[1:41:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, still, so I'd have three extra days of living
[1:42:00] Speaker 1: knowing I'd eaten my cat, but I'll just die.
[1:42:03] Speaker 2: Sorry, why are we entertaining this? This is a person
[1:42:06] Speaker 2: that's someone's cousin. You don't even know them, and they're
[1:42:08] Speaker 2: telling you how you.
[1:42:09] Speaker 1: Would be they do they know that my cats have
[1:42:11] Speaker 1: Instagram accounts?
[1:42:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know shit about Your kids are money makers.
[1:42:16] Speaker 2: You're not going to eat them. I love my cats
[1:42:18] Speaker 2: so much that I have an Instagram account for them.
[1:42:20] Speaker 2: I'm not going to eat them. That's the only way
[1:42:22] Speaker 2: to prove love anymore. I know.
[1:42:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, Like one of that tries to tell me about
[1:42:25] Speaker 1: how to take care of my cats, I'm like, they
[1:42:26] Speaker 1: have an Instagram account, clearly, I'm.
[1:42:28] Speaker 2: That's like all I think of it. And then you
[1:42:29] Speaker 2: just slam the door.
[1:42:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have sixty six hundred follower bill me uh.
[1:42:35] Speaker 2: Anyhow so peace and loved everybody else. Oh, this is
[1:42:38] Speaker 2: what I was gonna say. Don't take the nuclear strike
[1:42:42] Speaker 2: off your worry table, okay, because there are just reams
[1:42:48] Speaker 2: and loads of people in between. There's no button on
[1:42:51] Speaker 2: his desk. Okay, that's not how it's happening. Yeah, and
[1:42:54] Speaker 2: there's people. There's things happening. Do you think that they.
[1:42:57] Speaker 1: Put like one of those staples we got the got
[1:43:00] Speaker 1: that buttons on his desk from like here.
[1:43:02] Speaker 2: It's and then he's like pressing, Yeah, yeah, there's it's
[1:43:08] Speaker 2: It's not gonna go down like that.
[1:43:09] Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'll worry about other things.
[1:43:11] Speaker 2: In the meantime. I feel like I feel like there's
[1:43:14] Speaker 2: so much to worry about, and that one is so
[1:43:16] Speaker 2: overarching as a child of the as a true child
[1:43:19] Speaker 2: of the nuclear age, right where that was actually a
[1:43:22] Speaker 2: true concern of ours, like they would talk to us
[1:43:25] Speaker 2: about it in school. That's how old I am. Don't
[1:43:28] Speaker 2: do that to yourself because it's just you know, it's
[1:43:31] Speaker 2: just because in the dark thing to say. But it's
[1:43:35] Speaker 2: like because you maybe the thing you should be worried
[1:43:38] Speaker 2: about is getting it by bus? Like you just don't know. Yeah,
[1:43:41] Speaker 2: we don't.
[1:43:41] Speaker 1: I'm thinking globally and I with problems, and I need
[1:43:44] Speaker 1: to think locally.
[1:43:45] Speaker 2: You need to act locally.
[1:43:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, locally with problems, and I need to make you
[1:43:49] Speaker 1: a martini clearly.
[1:43:50] Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. And I
[1:43:53] Speaker 2: know I've said this before. I'm really good being drunk.
[1:43:56] Speaker 2: I'm just like, I don't slur, I don't try to
[1:43:58] Speaker 2: tell you secrets. I don't fucking do anything. Why would
[1:44:01] Speaker 2: I want to hang out with you and give you
[1:44:03] Speaker 2: a drink because I bring all this other stuff to
[1:44:05] Speaker 2: the table.
[1:44:05] Speaker 1: Dying in secrets are my favorite. How do you feel
[1:44:08] Speaker 1: about fist fights?
[1:44:09] Speaker 2: Because I think, as a girl, you probably haven't gone
[1:44:12] Speaker 2: into the realm the way you could have, the way
[1:44:14] Speaker 2: you can be.
[1:44:15] Speaker 1: In one fist fight? Do you know that the I do.
[1:44:18] Speaker 2: I've never actually gotten into a fistfight, but one time,
[1:44:21] Speaker 2: in a total whiskey blackout on New Year's at the
[1:44:26] Speaker 2: San Francisco Punchline in the nineties, I a girl leaned
[1:44:31] Speaker 2: across the bar and started yelling at the bartender. Now
[1:44:34] Speaker 2: it could have been his girlfriend. She could have been
[1:44:36] Speaker 2: doing a bit. It was a comedy club. I do
[1:44:38] Speaker 2: not know what was going on. All I know is
[1:44:40] Speaker 2: the next thing I did is grab her finger and
[1:44:42] Speaker 2: twist it around her back. And because the bartender was
[1:44:47] Speaker 2: really nice and it made me like what she was
[1:44:50] Speaker 2: doing was so fucking irritated to me. And then the
[1:44:53] Speaker 2: next thing I knew, there was a big circle of
[1:44:55] Speaker 2: people standing way back from me, and the girl was
[1:44:58] Speaker 2: crying and going why didn't dude? And then I was like, oh,
[1:45:01] Speaker 2: what did I do? I had no idea what I did.
[1:45:04] Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And then my friend like basically had
[1:45:06] Speaker 2: to usher me out because I was like, wait, what happened?
[1:45:10] Speaker 2: But I didn't know that I finger assaulted her. You're
[1:45:13] Speaker 2: not getting a drink. I'm sorry. It gets pretty serious
[1:45:16] Speaker 2: pretty quick, but it sounds fun. It is fun. Well
[1:45:22] Speaker 2: you know what it is, because you know, sometimes you
[1:45:23] Speaker 2: go out and nothing happens that would never happen with me.
[1:45:27] Speaker 2: There's always something is going to go down.
[1:45:30] Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, last day on the planet. Yeah,
[1:45:33] Speaker 1: meet me here, great with a bottle of Well, let's
[1:45:38] Speaker 1: go out. Let's meet here and then we're going to
[1:45:40] Speaker 1: go somewhere.
[1:45:40] Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, we'll start here. And oh and you know
[1:45:43] Speaker 2: Vince is like the funniest strong that's he's the greatest. Yeah,
[1:45:47] Speaker 2: and he'd probably be able to keep me in line. Yeah,
[1:45:50] Speaker 2: I was, Stephen, you're a designated driver. Perfect, No, Stephen,
[1:45:55] Speaker 2: you were gonna do last day uber uh huh. And
[1:45:59] Speaker 2: well it'll be a dance. We'd pick people up. Yeah,
[1:46:01] Speaker 2: so that stays over And in meantime, all searching some
[1:46:06] Speaker 2: research about one of those weird hidden bunkers like that
[1:46:09] Speaker 2: holds five hundred people. We'll figure out where there is
[1:46:11] Speaker 2: one that a man's been working on for we'll go
[1:46:13] Speaker 2: Hamay since the eighties, and we'll just collect up drugs.
[1:46:17] Speaker 2: We'll get people who have good drugs okay, good liquor,
[1:46:20] Speaker 2: good personalities, and we'll all go into a mount lots
[1:46:23] Speaker 2: of dogs. Dogs would be fun. But then there's cats.
[1:46:26] Speaker 1: He can go on like a backpack or something. Okay,
[1:46:30] Speaker 1: all right, all right, great, that's my happy thought.
[1:46:33] Speaker 2: Perfect. I feel like we just did that. Yeah, I
[1:46:35] Speaker 2: mean I think that's we covered that. There's lots to
[1:46:37] Speaker 2: be stressed about these days. But also don't forget in
[1:46:40] Speaker 2: your stress. Then also just start making up a fun plan,
[1:46:43] Speaker 2: okay to kind of counteract your stress. It's I think
[1:46:46] Speaker 2: it's a it relieves tension, something to look forward to
[1:46:50] Speaker 2: for sure. Okay, I like it and we're back. Does
[1:46:57] Speaker 2: it bother you know what?
[1:46:58] Speaker 1: It bothers me that I was guessing something was going
[1:47:01] Speaker 1: to happen in the world in the near future, and
[1:47:04] Speaker 1: I was off by like a nuclear strike and a virus.
[1:47:10] Speaker 1: I was definitely of the idea that an antibiotic resistant
[1:47:14] Speaker 1: virus would happen. But so it's just like a little
[1:47:18] Speaker 1: bit off. If I had fucking got it right, man.
[1:47:20] Speaker 2: God, I'd be the president. You'd be dead.
[1:47:23] Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we'd all be like the NASA scientists. Actually
[1:47:27] Speaker 1: that would be a horrible fucking.
[1:47:28] Speaker 2: Thing also to compare. But it's like the stand where
[1:47:31] Speaker 2: just like the massive insane like you want to think
[1:47:36] Speaker 2: that you would be able to know when something like
[1:47:40] Speaker 2: a deadly, fast spreading virus is going to come out
[1:47:43] Speaker 2: and just wipe out yeah, a big part of the planet. Nope,
[1:47:47] Speaker 2: tell yourself. You would know the signs and signals. Course,
[1:47:51] Speaker 2: But here we are. I told you that we were
[1:47:53] Speaker 2: in the smokehouse the other night and there was an
[1:47:55] Speaker 2: emergency alert that came up on the TV screens and
[1:47:58] Speaker 2: then everyone's phone started going off. Oh, get out of
[1:48:01] Speaker 2: don't be in a crowd right now? What was it
[1:48:04] Speaker 2: was with Scotty Landis? And I looked over and I'm like, yep,
[1:48:06] Speaker 2: this is where this is exactly where we'd be. Then
[1:48:08] Speaker 2: the nuclear bombs go off.
[1:48:10] Speaker 1: That's like a bad place to be, though, they got
[1:48:12] Speaker 1: good Martinies.
[1:48:14] Speaker 2: Lock us in hell, Yeah, get the Valet guys in
[1:48:17] Speaker 2: here and let's lock these doors. That's right. So this
[1:48:20] Speaker 2: episode was originally named Decompressions, which I love. It sounds
[1:48:25] Speaker 2: like a massage therapy store in the mall. But if
[1:48:29] Speaker 2: we were naming it today, we could call it, for example,
[1:48:32] Speaker 2: proactive sexism.
[1:48:34] Speaker 1: That seems like a double negative, doesn't it.
[1:48:36] Speaker 2: I think so? Or just or what if it's super
[1:48:39] Speaker 2: positive a lot if it turns out to be the answer.
[1:48:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Okay. We could also call it man's
[1:48:44] Speaker 1: blaming asteroids.
[1:48:45] Speaker 2: Of course I like that one, h or original Jersey
[1:48:50] Speaker 2: A high quality cow garbage based activities is good.
[1:48:54] Speaker 1: I love that one. And then off your worry table.
[1:48:58] Speaker 1: I love a worry table.
[1:49:00] Speaker 2: That's good. And then of course nobody has to worry
[1:49:02] Speaker 2: because of something big happens. We'll all go into a mountain.
[1:49:05] Speaker 2: That's my big plan for mountains. We've raven a mountain.
[1:49:09] Speaker 2: Pick your favorite title. That's what we do. Yep. And
[1:49:13] Speaker 2: other than that, that's this week's episode of the Rewind.
[1:49:16] Speaker 1: Let's go back to good old twenty eighteen and let
[1:49:19] Speaker 1: my sweet baby boy Elvis say goodbye.
[1:49:25] Speaker 2: Thanks for listening you guys. Welcome to twenty eighteen. Guys,
[1:49:28] Speaker 2: we're so happy to be in this year with you.
[1:49:30] Speaker 2: We're gonna do it. We're gonna we're gonna make this
[1:49:32] Speaker 2: gear count.
[1:49:32] Speaker 1: We are so Stay sexy and don't get murdered by
[1:49:36] Speaker 1: bye Elvis.
[1:49:38] Speaker 2: You want cookie? Whoa, that was a good one. He's
[1:49:41] Speaker 2: right there, he's so ready.

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