# MFM Minisode 478

An episode of [My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1074507850), 9 Mar 2026, 26 min.

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## Transcript

[0:17] Speaker 1: Hello and welcome my favorite murder the miniso to read
[0:21] Speaker 1: you the stories that you send us, and I keep.
[0:24] Speaker 2: Air drying my hair. So what you're hearing now it
[0:28] Speaker 2: sounds so smooth and silky, but what you're seeing.
[0:32] Speaker 1: Or a mess. But this is the chill episode. I
[0:35] Speaker 1: feel like this is the easy like lightlift episode.
[0:38] Speaker 2: Is this the clean girl makeup episode?
[0:39] Speaker 1: No, I've been like hometowns just feel like, do we
[0:42] Speaker 1: have to be so perfect all the time, not like
[0:46] Speaker 1: in the regular episodes where we're.
[0:47] Speaker 2: Where it's on it eh, caroling it. This is a
[0:51] Speaker 2: nice concise one to kick it off. The subject line
[0:53] Speaker 2: is classic hometown and badass Grandpa, and it says it
[0:57] Speaker 2: just goes right into it. My grandpa Ray was and
[0:59] Speaker 2: I'll always will be a total badass and my hero
[1:02] Speaker 2: Ray Boom. I could write stories for days, But my
[1:06] Speaker 2: favorite was the time that he casually told me he
[1:08] Speaker 2: spent part of his childhood alongside an infamous killer. Grandpa
[1:13] Speaker 2: grew up in the holler of Brush Mountain in Blacksburg, Virginia,
[1:16] Speaker 2: where I was born and raised. He once told me
[1:19] Speaker 2: about a boy who lived up the same road in quotes,
[1:21] Speaker 2: a different fella, he said, who had a glass eye.
[1:25] Speaker 2: The boy's mama was a sex worker, and his daddy.
[1:27] Speaker 2: I bet that's not how her Grandpa said.
[1:29] Speaker 1: He did not use those words.
[1:31] Speaker 2: The boy's mama was a sex worker and his daddy
[1:33] Speaker 2: didn't have any legs. Grandpa added, almost as an afterthought,
[1:37] Speaker 2: that the fellow went on to kill women out west
[1:40] Speaker 2: and confessed to many other murders. I immediately called bullshit
[1:44] Speaker 2: on Grandpa. That's when my mom chimed in, No, it's true.
[1:48] Speaker 2: That's right.
[1:49] Speaker 1: Grandpa grew up alongside Henry Lee Lucas, the confession killer.
[1:52] Speaker 1: Holy shit, Henry Lee Lucas was his neighborhood kid.
[1:57] Speaker 2: Noo. Grandpa ra to wait ten years ago, but I
[2:01] Speaker 2: treasure the twenty six years I got to spend with
[2:03] Speaker 2: him and the many stories he shared. I would love
[2:05] Speaker 2: to hear Grandpa wrote holler stories, absolutely, especially that one
[2:10] Speaker 2: in particular. Sure, stay sexy, and don't be too quick
[2:14] Speaker 2: to call bullshit on Grandpa, Amy and.
[2:17] Speaker 1: Immediate bullshit on Grandpa like I would never have the
[2:21] Speaker 1: gualt called bullshit on a grandpa.
[2:23] Speaker 2: That's how these kids are these days, true, these gen
[2:26] Speaker 2: z ers, that's right, they yearn for justice.
[2:29] Speaker 1: Okay, this is called one hour Photo for good. If
[2:33] Speaker 1: you're actually reading this, I am so grateful to this
[2:35] Speaker 1: podcast and everyone who makes it happen. I have been
[2:38] Speaker 1: a listener since twenty sixteen. Hey, your podcast talked me
[2:41] Speaker 1: off the ledge the morning after the election that year.
[2:43] Speaker 1: Can you believe we thought that was the worst that
[2:46] Speaker 1: could happen.
[2:47] Speaker 2: Damn.
[2:48] Speaker 1: You've been my friends and traveling companions through so much,
[2:51] Speaker 1: giving me laughter, through breast cancer, divorce, pet loss and
[2:54] Speaker 1: empty nest, and so much more. I appreciate you, ladies,
[2:58] Speaker 1: and count you as sisters. Oh my god, No, but
[3:02] Speaker 1: I want to tell you about something that happened when
[3:04] Speaker 1: I was nineteen. It was nineteen eighty nine and I
[3:06] Speaker 1: had dropped out of college. Concerned about my well being.
[3:09] Speaker 1: My older brother invited me to move from my home
[3:12] Speaker 1: state of Kentucky down to League City, Texas.
[3:15] Speaker 2: Big baseball town, a lot of league, a lot of
[3:19] Speaker 2: baseball leagues, a lot of leagues, measurements under the seat,
[3:21] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[3:22] Speaker 1: That is a whole nother story. I quickly got a
[3:25] Speaker 1: job at a one hour photo lab in friends would
[3:27] Speaker 1: Texas just up the inner state one exit. My sister
[3:31] Speaker 1: worked at a one hour photo place when she was
[3:33] Speaker 1: in high school at she saw some shit. Awesome, Yeah,
[3:36] Speaker 1: we all saw. We all got to see some shits.
[3:39] Speaker 1: It was a busy one hour lab and a big mall.
[3:42] Speaker 1: There were regulars with rolls of film chronicling their lives.
[3:45] Speaker 1: Do you remember disc cameras in stematics. These took terrible pictures?
[3:49] Speaker 1: Yeah they did, did they?
[3:51] Speaker 2: Me and my sister got them for Christmas one year
[3:53] Speaker 2: from Aunt Mannon and they came in this big It
[3:56] Speaker 2: was almost like an unboxing box. It came in this
[3:58] Speaker 2: big box. It was such a big deal presentation, but
[4:01] Speaker 2: it felt like they were cameras made for to give
[4:04] Speaker 2: kids a camera and be like, here, go take some pictures.
[4:06] Speaker 2: And that's what all.
[4:07] Speaker 1: Everything was like from a down here perspective, like downward
[4:11] Speaker 1: going up right? Yeah? This okay? These two terrible pictures.
[4:14] Speaker 1: But then there was the thirty five millimeter film in
[4:17] Speaker 1: twelve twenty four or thirty six frame rolls. Oh I
[4:20] Speaker 1: should know that my sister's now a photographer.
[4:22] Speaker 2: I was going to say, did Lee learn it at
[4:24] Speaker 2: the photo development line?
[4:26] Speaker 1: Since high school? She's been doing it. Oh yeah, she's dedicated. Okay.
[4:30] Speaker 1: Most people got single or double prints, except for a
[4:32] Speaker 1: regular customer who came in about once a week dropped
[4:35] Speaker 1: off a role for film processing. Only he would be
[4:38] Speaker 1: back on the hour to pick up the film. He
[4:40] Speaker 1: asked us to keep the whole role intact, placed in
[4:43] Speaker 1: a special clear plastic sleeve, then rolled, and then put
[4:46] Speaker 1: back into the paper bag. So I feel like we
[4:48] Speaker 1: need to explain to some children that are listening.
[4:52] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, instead of.
[4:53] Speaker 1: Getting the film developed into actual photos, you would just
[4:56] Speaker 1: get them turned into film so you could go home
[4:59] Speaker 1: in your own dark room and develop them yourself. Yeah,
[5:03] Speaker 1: meaning no one would see the film at the one
[5:05] Speaker 1: hour photostore. See, I didn't know that. I'm learning with
[5:08] Speaker 1: the children. Okay, I didn't realize that was like getting
[5:10] Speaker 1: a thing to then go home and do it himself
[5:12] Speaker 1: instead of Yeah, He's like, you have to take the
[5:15] Speaker 1: first two steps for me because I don't have like
[5:17] Speaker 1: the chemicals or something. Sure, I don't know.
[5:19] Speaker 2: Okay, that's all I know. All he's saying is what's
[5:21] Speaker 2: happening on this film is illegal.
[5:23] Speaker 1: Totally, and I don't look at it.
[5:24] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[5:25] Speaker 1: My boss, a no nonsense native Texan a year older
[5:28] Speaker 1: than me named Lisa, stopped me the first time I
[5:30] Speaker 1: processed a role of his film. She took the role,
[5:33] Speaker 1: looked at it on the light table, quickly printed a
[5:36] Speaker 1: few frames. The date was automatically printed on the back
[5:39] Speaker 1: of each print. The pictures would go through the machine
[5:42] Speaker 1: in a long strip, coming down a conveyor belt to
[5:45] Speaker 1: be packaged that people in the mall could watch the
[5:47] Speaker 1: stream of images. She covered the conveyor when his went through. Oh,
[5:52] Speaker 1: she's going clandestine.
[5:53] Speaker 2: Lisa knows exactly what's happening here, and she's going to
[5:56] Speaker 2: do something about it.
[5:57] Speaker 1: I love this one because I remember every single old
[6:00] Speaker 1: like boss or coworker I had from when I was
[6:04] Speaker 1: stupid at nineteen sure instead of stupid and forty five
[6:07] Speaker 1: that like taught me so much about life. They were
[6:09] Speaker 1: like so no nonsense.
[6:11] Speaker 2: Yes. Well, also because they were the holders and like
[6:14] Speaker 2: they were the rule followers, as the example, so when
[6:17] Speaker 2: they were breaking rules, you were like, wait, what's happening now,
[6:19] Speaker 2: Like the waitress had passed my mom the aspirn where
[6:21] Speaker 2: it's like, we don't know why this is the rule.
[6:22] Speaker 1: Your child is a headache. I'm going to give you
[6:24] Speaker 1: totally and I trust you to make that decision on
[6:26] Speaker 1: your own. Yes, okay. When she handed me the printed pictures.
[6:30] Speaker 1: I saw images of him, a dumpy, middle aged man
[6:33] Speaker 1: in states of getting nude in an empty classroom. The
[6:37] Speaker 1: pictures went into a package she kept in her desk. Okay, weird.
[6:42] Speaker 1: She instructed me to print samples from his film whenever
[6:44] Speaker 1: he came in. Sometimes his wife would drop off the film.
[6:48] Speaker 1: Then one fateful day, he brought in a role that
[6:50] Speaker 1: included a girl elementary age sitting at a school desk
[6:54] Speaker 1: looking down writing seemingly and I hope honestly unaware that
[6:59] Speaker 1: he was several rose back behind her with his pants
[7:02] Speaker 1: around his ankles. My badass twenty year old boss printed
[7:06] Speaker 1: every frame on that role. Then she called the FBI,
[7:10] Speaker 1: and after that our district manager, Yes Lisa.
[7:14] Speaker 2: Lisa was like, I'm not messing with the local cop. No,
[7:17] Speaker 2: this is a federal case.
[7:19] Speaker 1: I have them on speed Dialuck, I've never seen that
[7:23] Speaker 1: kind of calm. Sure, get this shit dealt with self
[7:26] Speaker 1: confidence before. He and his wife who held the camera,
[7:30] Speaker 1: who held the camera, so they were doing it together.
[7:33] Speaker 1: I didn't see that. We're arrested and went to jail.
[7:37] Speaker 1: He lost his teaching license. I don't know where Lisa
[7:39] Speaker 1: is now, but I'm sure she's doing good. Bet you.
[7:43] Speaker 1: Thank you for reading Heather.
[7:45] Speaker 2: Especially in a time like this. We we are now
[7:48] Speaker 2: just up to our eyeballs in this nightmare Epstein file bullshit,
[7:52] Speaker 2: which is like just this kind of stuff that's been
[7:55] Speaker 2: like brushed under the carpet and heading away for years. Yep, yeah,
[8:00] Speaker 2: made smaller whatever. It's just like Lisa's been fighting the
[8:03] Speaker 2: good fight totally since eighty nine.
[8:06] Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah. Come on, tell us your stories
[8:10] Speaker 1: about the older kid that you knew that was a
[8:12] Speaker 1: fucking badass, that gave you the courage to also be
[8:15] Speaker 1: a badass.
[8:16] Speaker 2: Yes, right, your example, your example like lateeen, Yeah.
[8:21] Speaker 1: My favorite murder at Gmail. Yeah, goodnue, And send them in.
[8:25] Speaker 2: Literally, I thought you were like, do you have Epstein stories?
[8:29] Speaker 2: Just send us.
[8:31] Speaker 1: That's not funny.
[8:32] Speaker 2: That's not funny at all, And that's how we do
[8:35] Speaker 2: things over here.
[8:36] Speaker 1: Send those to the FBI call in.
[8:42] Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not going to read you the subject line
[8:43] Speaker 2: it says, hello, badass MFM podcast family. I grew up
[8:47] Speaker 2: in the same house that my mother was raised in,
[8:49] Speaker 2: which was built by my great grandfather after they emigrated
[8:52] Speaker 2: from Italy in the nineteen forties. Come on, abundanza.
[8:56] Speaker 1: Sorry, Leana, every time you say Italy, you have to
[8:58] Speaker 1: touch the italy, do.
[9:00] Speaker 2: It, lily? Okay. My grandmother purchased it from her parents
[9:08] Speaker 2: and eventually sold it to my mother when I was
[9:10] Speaker 2: maybe twelve. At that point, my grandmother moved upstairs and
[9:13] Speaker 2: my parents commissioned Hella construction to make sure I missed
[9:17] Speaker 2: that first time. Hella construction to make sure that she
[9:20] Speaker 2: was comfortable in what would become a finished mother daughter apartment.
[9:24] Speaker 2: Because I was twelve and my parents wanted to make
[9:26] Speaker 2: me feel better about the whole move, they promised to
[9:28] Speaker 2: renovate one of the bedrooms for me too, which involved
[9:31] Speaker 2: knocking out a wall and building out the foundation of
[9:34] Speaker 2: the house. The whole bedroom ended up being larger than
[9:37] Speaker 2: my first studio apartment. Jesus nice. Here's the thing. My
[9:40] Speaker 2: great grandfather was in cement. His son, my great uncle,
[9:45] Speaker 2: followed suit more or less in the cement business.
[9:49] Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
[9:50] Speaker 2: I know.
[9:50] Speaker 1: Sorry, I buried under the house in cement.
[9:52] Speaker 2: I actually wasn't sure.
[9:54] Speaker 1: I had to in cement contact.
[9:57] Speaker 2: Okay, okay, my mother said, with quotes around Yea, So
[10:00] Speaker 2: here we go. My mother said that when she was
[10:02] Speaker 2: a kid Uncle Charlie would come to the house at
[10:04] Speaker 2: all sorts of weird hours with weird people and weird things.
[10:07] Speaker 2: One of her more memorable stories involved him showing up
[10:10] Speaker 2: just before their bedtime with a life size statue of
[10:13] Speaker 2: Saint Jude, which he took from a church that was
[10:15] Speaker 2: being renovated because they were throwing it up. Saint Jude
[10:19] Speaker 2: still lives in my parents' basement because everyone's afraid it's
[10:21] Speaker 2: the only thing bringing good juju into the house at
[10:24] Speaker 2: this point, a full size statue, I don't think you
[10:27] Speaker 2: can throw away, like, no, thank your reliquary unless it
[10:31] Speaker 2: thank you right. Sorry, I really had to bust that
[10:34] Speaker 2: one out. God, it's so rare that a word comes
[10:37] Speaker 2: into my head anymore.
[10:38] Speaker 1: That one really was good waiting holding onto that. I've
[10:41] Speaker 1: never even heard that word, that's how good it was.
[10:44] Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so proud of my fucked up brain. Okay, yeah,
[10:48] Speaker 2: I don't think they'd just throw out statues because they're
[10:51] Speaker 2: redoing the place. Yeah, this style has been pretty similar
[10:54] Speaker 2: since about fifteen ninety. I would guess. Okay, my parents'
[10:58] Speaker 2: basement is still a treasure trove of what the fuck?
[11:01] Speaker 2: Because my grandmother was a hoarder, and it's taken more
[11:03] Speaker 2: than five years to clear out all her stuff. My
[11:06] Speaker 2: grandmother's second husband collected guns, and they knew my grandmother
[11:09] Speaker 2: had held onto an antique pearl handled pistol, but these
[11:12] Speaker 2: weren't pretty collectibles. That particular closet backs up to the attic,
[11:17] Speaker 2: which is accessible through a creepy little door in the
[11:20] Speaker 2: back wall, and something told my parents to investigate further. Well.
[11:25] Speaker 1: After a week end of deep diving through support beams
[11:27] Speaker 1: and insulation, they found upwards of a dozen firearms hidden
[11:31] Speaker 1: in the attic, including models that are very illegal to own.
[11:35] Speaker 1: They have no idea how long they'd been there, who
[11:37] Speaker 1: originally own them, or why my grandmother.
[11:40] Speaker 2: Was hiding them. But that's not the story I'm really
[11:42] Speaker 2: emailing about. What Yeah, sorry, not talking about that. It
[11:48] Speaker 2: says several years later, I was visiting my parents for
[11:50] Speaker 2: a weekend and we were sitting around the table after
[11:52] Speaker 2: lunch talking about some weird dreams we'd had. My mother
[11:56] Speaker 2: made a reference to the hidden attic guns, saying she
[11:59] Speaker 2: felt like there was an another gun hidden somewhere and
[12:01] Speaker 2: dreamed about it often. In her dreams. It was buried
[12:05] Speaker 2: in the backyard or sometimes the side garden. She said
[12:07] Speaker 2: something about the cement used to pour the walkway, and
[12:11] Speaker 2: my dad's face went totally white. He was noticeably uncomfortable,
[12:14] Speaker 2: and when we asked what was wrong, he just asked,
[12:17] Speaker 2: if I break a promise to someone who's dead, will
[12:20] Speaker 2: they come back and haunt you. My dad has always
[12:23] Speaker 2: been a pretty straightforward guy. My mother's family is old
[12:26] Speaker 2: school Italian superstitious, but my dad not so much so
[12:30] Speaker 2: old school Italian suing, so this was kind of a
[12:35] Speaker 2: weird question to ask at the lunch table. At this point,
[12:37] Speaker 2: all the alarm bells in my mother's head are going off,
[12:40] Speaker 2: and she demands to know what he's talking about. After
[12:43] Speaker 2: a few minutes of sweating and dodging questions, he tells
[12:45] Speaker 2: us this story. When my parents were building the addition
[12:48] Speaker 2: to the house, they hired a friend of my great
[12:50] Speaker 2: uncles to do the construction. The plan was to build
[12:53] Speaker 2: a new living room where the concrete porch used to be,
[12:56] Speaker 2: but when they went to dig it up, they found
[12:58] Speaker 2: it went down way further than was structurally necessary and
[13:02] Speaker 2: decided the best idea was just to use that as
[13:05] Speaker 2: the foundation. That meant matching the depth. When they poured
[13:08] Speaker 2: the foundation for my new bedroom. The morning they scheduled
[13:11] Speaker 2: the concrete pour, my grandmother called my dad upstairs and
[13:14] Speaker 2: handled him a bundle of sheets. Give this to the guys.
[13:17] Speaker 2: She told him they'll know what to do with it,
[13:19] Speaker 2: and whatever you do, don't tell your wife. My dad
[13:22] Speaker 2: did as he was told and handed the bundle to
[13:25] Speaker 2: my great uncle's friend, who unwrapped it just enough to
[13:27] Speaker 2: see the handgun inside and just gave it a nod
[13:30] Speaker 2: before setting it into the cement.
[13:32] Speaker 1: Oh my god.
[13:34] Speaker 2: So aside from finding out that my childhood bedroom was
[13:36] Speaker 2: built over a hidden handgun, we also realized that if
[13:39] Speaker 2: my grandmother had been cool with hiding some dozen guns
[13:42] Speaker 2: in the attic, this particular gun must have been responsible
[13:45] Speaker 2: for some atrocious shit. If it needed to be hidden
[13:48] Speaker 2: forever in a foundation, it was hot, it was hot,
[13:52] Speaker 2: and potentially connected to it international murder mafia. Gotta say,
[13:58] Speaker 2: if I'm ever in trouble, I'm going to my dad
[14:00] Speaker 2: for help, because he immediately forgot all about the incident
[14:02] Speaker 2: and was never even tempted to tell my mother until
[14:05] Speaker 2: that exact day when she had had the dream that
[14:07] Speaker 2: there was a gun somewhere on the pop room if
[14:10] Speaker 2: this ends up getting read on a miniso, thanks for
[14:12] Speaker 2: sharing in my ruined childhood. Stay sexy and don't get murdered. Faith. Wow, Faith,
[14:19] Speaker 2: that's a very sopranos email.
[14:21] Speaker 1: It's a meadow.
[14:22] Speaker 2: It could be send signed Meadow your friend Meadow.
[14:25] Speaker 1: Okay, my mom fucked politeness at the laundromat. Hey, y'all,
[14:30] Speaker 1: that's all I have in me, So that's all I
[14:33] Speaker 1: have in me for an intro, So let's jump in.
[14:35] Speaker 2: Sounds good there.
[14:36] Speaker 1: When I was in middle school, my parents were remodeling
[14:38] Speaker 1: our house and we didn't have a laundry room for
[14:40] Speaker 1: over a year and had to do all of our
[14:42] Speaker 1: laundry at the local laundromats. I always went with my
[14:45] Speaker 1: mom to hang out for a few hours while the
[14:47] Speaker 1: clothes washed and dried. All the other customers were always kind,
[14:51] Speaker 1: usually women and kids hanging out. One day, while we
[14:54] Speaker 1: were loading up the laundry and supplies into the back
[14:56] Speaker 1: of the vehicle, a man stopped my mom. He had
[14:59] Speaker 1: been sitting outside in the Alabama heat the whole time
[15:02] Speaker 1: we were there. I didn't stop and went to sit
[15:04] Speaker 1: in the car, but I heard him ask her for
[15:06] Speaker 1: a ride to a local motel. I heard my mom say, sir,
[15:10] Speaker 1: you know I can't do that, and shot her eyes
[15:14] Speaker 1: over to me. Next I knew my mom was at
[15:15] Speaker 1: my door telling me to shut it and lock it.
[15:18] Speaker 1: I was being a bratty teen and said no because
[15:21] Speaker 1: it was hot and she hadn't started the car yet,
[15:23] Speaker 1: just like leaning with the door open. She said, through
[15:26] Speaker 1: gritted teeth, shut the door. Now. I probably rolled my
[15:31] Speaker 1: eyes and crossed my arms after shutting the door because
[15:33] Speaker 1: I was and then dramatic. She was a little upset
[15:37] Speaker 1: with me when she got in, but then we drove
[15:39] Speaker 1: home like normal. When we got home, my mom told
[15:42] Speaker 1: my dad about the conversation with the man, including the
[15:44] Speaker 1: parts I didn't see. The man had lifted his shirt
[15:47] Speaker 1: to show a gun in his waistband and told her
[15:50] Speaker 1: that he would keep us safe. So I can't drive you.
[15:54] Speaker 1: I'm scared. I'll keep you safe. I'll keep don't have
[15:57] Speaker 1: a gun, I'll keep you safe.
[15:58] Speaker 2: It's me, the strange man would the gun. I'll keep
[16:00] Speaker 2: it in my waistband. Yeah.
[16:02] Speaker 1: After she told the man no again, he threw his
[16:05] Speaker 1: flip phone at the brick wall of the laundromat in anger.
[16:10] Speaker 1: She also told my dad about how I wouldn't shut
[16:12] Speaker 1: the door, and he got upset with me too. But
[16:14] Speaker 1: as a parent myself, now I understand their reactions were
[16:17] Speaker 1: out of fear. Safe to say, our washer dryer were
[16:20] Speaker 1: installed that week and we never went back to the
[16:22] Speaker 1: laundromat again. I'll never know what intentions that man had,
[16:26] Speaker 1: but I'm glad my mom fucked politeness and kept us safe.
[16:29] Speaker 1: She is such a strong woman, and I hope I
[16:31] Speaker 1: am showing my kids a fraction of the strength and
[16:33] Speaker 1: determination she has. Her name is Tara pronounced Tara, Stay
[16:39] Speaker 1: sexy and shut the car door when your mom asks.
[16:42] Speaker 1: Ambria pronounced Ambria. Oh nice, read that name before. It's
[16:45] Speaker 1: pretty Feel free to use my name. Love you guys
[16:47] Speaker 1: and all that you do.
[16:49] Speaker 2: Ambria. Here's what I love that you're like. I understand
[16:52] Speaker 2: that she was saying that to me out of fear.
[16:54] Speaker 2: It's like, do you understand that you need to be
[16:55] Speaker 2: a team player? And if the person that knows more
[16:58] Speaker 2: than you and is smarter than you and been around
[17:00] Speaker 2: so much longer than you comes up and tells you
[17:02] Speaker 2: to do a thing the door with a certain kind
[17:04] Speaker 2: of energy, maybe focus on that.
[17:07] Speaker 1: Teens have no clue they're like equally the best people
[17:10] Speaker 1: in the world and the worst people in the world
[17:12] Speaker 1: at the same time.
[17:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[17:13] Speaker 1: I mean it's not fair in a lot of ways
[17:15] Speaker 1: because you're the youngest old person, so you're the dumbest
[17:18] Speaker 1: old person, right Usually, Yeah, but in those situations where
[17:22] Speaker 1: it's just like.
[17:24] Speaker 2: I just wish she had done a full like I
[17:27] Speaker 2: should have listened to my mom the first time and
[17:29] Speaker 2: had some spatial awareness. Instead, it's like I understand she
[17:32] Speaker 2: was working out of fear. Like there was that guy.
[17:36] Speaker 1: Okay, I love yelling, so you know we're talking about. Hey,
[17:43] Speaker 1: sometimes it's the kid's fault. Okay, sometimes it's the parent's fault. Okay,
[17:47] Speaker 1: as we well know, I'm not going to read you
[17:49] Speaker 1: the subject line. It just says, hi, fellow murder loving people. Again,
[17:53] Speaker 1: we don't love murder.
[17:55] Speaker 2: It was summer of two thousand and five and I
[17:57] Speaker 2: was eight years old when we took a family vacation
[17:59] Speaker 2: Tea and San Francisco. While in San fran we got
[18:03] Speaker 2: a boat tour that took us past Alcatraz and to
[18:06] Speaker 2: some other island close by. What is that Marin Treasure Island.
[18:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it depends on where they were going. I
[18:14] Speaker 1: don't remember there being a two island stop for the
[18:16] Speaker 1: Alcatraz tour, but I haven't been there Alcatraz too.
[18:20] Speaker 2: It's smaller and hipper, and there's a disco. There's an
[18:26] Speaker 2: amazing night life on Alcatraz two. Okay. My dad was
[18:30] Speaker 2: really nervous that I was going to get seasick, so
[18:32] Speaker 2: he gave me three dramamine and we bordered the boat.
[18:35] Speaker 2: Turns out that the serving size of dramamine for an
[18:37] Speaker 2: eight year old is half a pill, so I was
[18:40] Speaker 2: knocked the fuck out. My dad happens to be a fireman,
[18:44] Speaker 2: Oh my god, and it says he's retired. No, this
[18:47] Speaker 2: is so classic. So he walked around the island Alcatraz
[18:52] Speaker 2: with my sleeping eight year old body thrown over his
[18:54] Speaker 2: shoulder in a fireman's carry. So can I just stop
[18:58] Speaker 2: here to tell you this? And this is the most
[19:00] Speaker 2: villaged dad life thing I will ever tell you, which
[19:04] Speaker 2: is that at night when we were little, my dad,
[19:07] Speaker 2: you could do the fireman's carry, You could do sack
[19:09] Speaker 2: of potatoes, or you could ride a horse to bed.
[19:12] Speaker 2: Those are the three ways we got carried to bed.
[19:14] Speaker 1: And you gotta pick which one.
[19:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so cute. So fireman's you're just bent over
[19:19] Speaker 2: his shoulder, your stomach a little bit. Yeah, it's not
[19:22] Speaker 2: that fun sack of potatoes. He's holding you by your ankles.
[19:25] Speaker 1: And you're behind Oh my god.
[19:27] Speaker 2: But then the horse. You got on on back and
[19:30] Speaker 2: put your hand over his mouth to feed the horse,
[19:32] Speaker 2: and he ran down the hallway and threw you on
[19:34] Speaker 2: the bed.
[19:35] Speaker 1: Can you do it? Can I have that?
[19:37] Speaker 2: I mean no, he can only do it verbally fun times.
[19:41] Speaker 1: That's all.
[19:42] Speaker 2: The physical isn't there with him anymore. But it was.
[19:44] Speaker 2: Laura and I talk about it sometimes we're like, that
[19:46] Speaker 2: might be the greatest privilege.
[19:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, having a firefighter dad, Oh my god.
[19:51] Speaker 2: So that's I think this one gets me, especially because
[19:54] Speaker 2: he just basically like every fireman's like, we're just going
[19:57] Speaker 2: to solve this problem. Just fucking here.
[20:00] Speaker 1: Next time Vince's brother is in town, I'm gonna ask
[20:02] Speaker 1: him to carry me like a secota.
[20:04] Speaker 2: You could do. I'll take second tails or a horse, right, okay.
[20:07] Speaker 2: So he would occasionally stop and wake me up to
[20:09] Speaker 2: eat ice cream and drink water with my eyes closed.
[20:14] Speaker 2: My mom and brother took normal pictures and occasionally included me.
[20:17] Speaker 2: Weekend of Bernie's steyle.
[20:18] Speaker 1: You a picture I could see of a picture. Oh
[20:20] Speaker 1: my god, Oh my god.
[20:21] Speaker 2: It's the best picture too. The only thing that I
[20:23] Speaker 2: actually remember about that day is waking up on a
[20:26] Speaker 2: park bench next to a dog wearing sunglasses.
[20:30] Speaker 1: Oh she's awaken it. Oh my god, that's her way.
[20:33] Speaker 2: She woke up. At the end of all that was like, Hey,
[20:36] Speaker 2: that is yes I've ever seen Wow.
[20:42] Speaker 1: Wow.
[20:43] Speaker 2: Also, my dad swears he didn't accidentally drug me, and
[20:45] Speaker 2: that I was just super tired from camping in Yosemite
[20:48] Speaker 2: the week prior. Like, yeah, cheers to the dads that
[20:51] Speaker 2: keep our lives interesting and create great memories, even if
[20:54] Speaker 2: they're only remembered in photographs. Also, I just completed my
[20:58] Speaker 2: advanced certificate in crime andalysis. I also that girl digester
[21:03] Speaker 2: from the park bench. I also have my bachelor's degree
[21:06] Speaker 2: in textile science, and I'm hoping to end up in
[21:08] Speaker 2: some sort of crime scene analysis textile forensic science situation.
[21:13] Speaker 2: Someone once told me that at the FBI, it is
[21:15] Speaker 2: someone's job to go up to crime scenes and analyze
[21:18] Speaker 2: duct tape and plastic bags that were used in crimes.
[21:20] Speaker 2: So maybe that cheers to unique career paths and Thank
[21:24] Speaker 2: you guys for being such great advocates for these victims
[21:27] Speaker 2: and their families. You're both part of the reason why
[21:29] Speaker 2: I decided to go back to school and the hopes
[21:31] Speaker 2: of using my niche knowledge on textiles and other materials
[21:35] Speaker 2: in order to help find evidence and build a case
[21:38] Speaker 2: and then advocate and fight for those who no longer
[21:41] Speaker 2: can and bring justice to them and their loved ones.
[21:44] Speaker 2: Oh my god, stay sexy and always remember to buy
[21:46] Speaker 2: the non drowsy meds and then call your dad. Xoxo, Lizzy, Ah, Lizzy,
[21:53] Speaker 2: isn't that the best?
[21:53] Speaker 1: That's the best? How am I going to fall? Okay?
[21:56] Speaker 1: I have one more?
[21:57] Speaker 2: Do you have a dog in sunglasses at the end? No?
[21:59] Speaker 1: And that dog you can all. He's a private investigator too, right.
[22:02] Speaker 2: That dog knows more than he's He's actually undercover as
[22:05] Speaker 2: a stoner.
[22:06] Speaker 1: Okay, this is an inheritance of trash parenting. Hello, you're
[22:11] Speaker 1: all great, let's go. I said in a story about
[22:14] Speaker 1: the time my dad discovered I was scared of his
[22:16] Speaker 1: basement and decided that telling me there was a man
[22:20] Speaker 1: with machetes down there would be the best way to
[22:23] Speaker 1: make me not scared.
[22:25] Speaker 2: That's why we didn't read that email is because that's
[22:27] Speaker 2: just child abuse.
[22:28] Speaker 1: It's as it kind of worked. From then on, he
[22:31] Speaker 1: signed all of my Christmas and Birthday presents in shaky
[22:34] Speaker 1: handwriting from the man in the basement with the machetes.
[22:40] Speaker 1: I don't get it. Felt like it was a joke,
[22:42] Speaker 1: but I don't get it.
[22:42] Speaker 2: It's not that funny. It's kind of hilarious. It's the
[22:48] Speaker 2: the horror of like there's just so many people loose
[22:51] Speaker 2: with children making these independent decisions.
[22:54] Speaker 1: I'm going to pretend like he said it in a
[22:56] Speaker 1: like hilarious way, like, Oh, don't worry about the basement,
[22:58] Speaker 1: it's just a man.
[22:59] Speaker 2: Maybe, Like the trying to follow it up with funny
[23:02] Speaker 2: jokes is like I really scared her that one time,
[23:04] Speaker 2: and now I'm really trying to lighten the right, lighten
[23:06] Speaker 2: the mood.
[23:07] Speaker 1: Who knows. I bring this up to excuse one of
[23:09] Speaker 1: my trash parenting moments in my early thirties, I took
[23:12] Speaker 1: my four young children Jesus two Astoria, Oregon, because there
[23:16] Speaker 1: was a tartist in an arcade and they loved Doctor Who.
[23:20] Speaker 1: While there, I desperately wanted to look at some of
[23:22] Speaker 1: the downtown art galleries, so gathered my children and inform
[23:25] Speaker 1: them all that we were going to look with our eyes,
[23:28] Speaker 1: not with our hands. It doesn't work because the shopkeepers
[23:31] Speaker 1: have machetes under the counter to chop off the hands
[23:34] Speaker 1: of people who touch the art in her devents. Four
[23:40] Speaker 1: fucking kids.
[23:42] Speaker 2: By any means necessary. First of all, but I'm so sorry.
[23:45] Speaker 2: I just didn't think it was going to loop around
[23:47] Speaker 2: like that.
[23:50] Speaker 1: We go into the first shop and my four year
[23:53] Speaker 1: old walks right up to the older woman working there
[23:55] Speaker 1: and asks her if she has a machete.
[23:58] Speaker 2: The woman look.
[23:59] Speaker 1: Confused and asked, why would I have a machete, sweetie.
[24:02] Speaker 1: My daughter looked directly into the woman's eyes and made
[24:05] Speaker 1: a chopping motion with her hand to her other arm.
[24:08] Speaker 2: Yes.
[24:09] Speaker 1: The woman looked horrified. A four year old I felt
[24:15] Speaker 1: my face go bright right with shame. My ten year
[24:17] Speaker 1: old daughter rushed forward and said, we're okay. Our family
[24:20] Speaker 1: just has a dark sense of humor. Then she steered
[24:22] Speaker 1: us all out of the gallery. We spent the rest
[24:24] Speaker 1: of the time outside until we went home. I asked
[24:28] Speaker 1: my children if they remember this, and none of them did,
[24:30] Speaker 1: but they all got a good laugh. Stay sexy and
[24:32] Speaker 1: don't resort to baseless machete threats to get your children
[24:36] Speaker 1: to act right or do cow.
[24:39] Speaker 2: Because they work so well, Kel, you gotta admit it solightful.
[24:46] Speaker 1: In ten years, we're going to get an email from
[24:48] Speaker 1: the ten year old who's a parent who says they
[24:51] Speaker 1: used it and it didn't go well.
[24:52] Speaker 2: The ten year old is going to be like a
[24:54] Speaker 2: world class artist, or it's like, have you seen my
[24:57] Speaker 2: machete sculptures? This was my I just love machette. I
[25:01] Speaker 2: love them and this was an inspirational day. Mmmm.
[25:05] Speaker 1: Okay everyone, I think that like people who are watching
[25:08] Speaker 1: on Netflix maybe don't know what we're doing when we
[25:10] Speaker 1: should have maybe said it earlier. But send us your
[25:12] Speaker 1: any kind of story that you have that you think
[25:14] Speaker 1: fits with the true crime comedy weird podcast to my
[25:17] Speaker 1: favorite murder at Gmail.
[25:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's kind of explained, but it's like
[25:21] Speaker 2: it's just mail bag. So yeah, we very early on
[25:24] Speaker 2: heard back from our audience so much about so many things.
[25:27] Speaker 2: We're like, let's get this out there.
[25:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, we needed an episode just for your stories, so
[25:31] Speaker 1: we did that.
[25:31] Speaker 2: So join us.
[25:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, and stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis.
[25:37] Speaker 1: Do you want a cookie?
[25:45] Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production.
[25:47] Speaker 1: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer
[25:50] Speaker 1: is Tessa Hughes.
[25:51] Speaker 2: Our editor is Aristotle Ascevedo.
[25:53] Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.
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