# MFM Minisode 492

An episode of [My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1074507850), 15 Jun 2026, 28 min.

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## Transcript

[0:16] Speaker 1: Hello and welcome my favorite murder, the minisod. That's right, this.
[0:22] Speaker 2: Is the minisode we tell you things about yourself that
[0:25] Speaker 2: you didn't even know you wanted to know.
[0:26] Speaker 1: Are you ready for a little bit of self examination?
[0:29] Speaker 1: Can we do this finally get you to admit your
[0:33] Speaker 1: side of things? Go first? Okay, yes, I will go first.
[0:37] Speaker 1: Thank you. The subject line of this first email is
[0:41] Speaker 1: rabies at church camp, all your favorite topics, and it
[0:46] Speaker 1: starts what's up, hotties? Oh cute, no time to waste.
[0:50] Speaker 1: Gird your loins for a wild tale. When I was eleven,
[0:53] Speaker 1: like any good Christian child, I was sent to church camp. However,
[0:56] Speaker 1: I had developed a reputation for running into troubles.
[0:59] Speaker 3: Just the year before, troubles troubles multiple Just the year before,
[1:05] Speaker 3: I had been sent to the hospital with a back
[1:07] Speaker 3: injury after a pool game of playing in the swimming
[1:11] Speaker 3: pool of chicken gone wrong where I nearly drowned.
[1:15] Speaker 1: Holy shit, so true troubles. Yeah. The camp setting was
[1:20] Speaker 1: at a state park in the middle of the Tennessee Woods.
[1:22] Speaker 1: So the next year, when my mother got a phone
[1:24] Speaker 1: call from a park ranger, Oh so where that injury happened?
[1:27] Speaker 3: Oh?
[1:27] Speaker 1: Okay, in the middle of a state park in Tennessee.
[1:30] Speaker 1: Got it. So the next year, when my mother got
[1:32] Speaker 1: a phone call from a park ranger stating that I
[1:34] Speaker 1: had had an accident in the park pool, it felt
[1:37] Speaker 1: like deja vu. My mother firmly stated, you must be mistaken.
[1:42] Speaker 1: Did you find some old documents or something that accident
[1:45] Speaker 1: happened a year ago.
[1:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, we were going through some paperwork and I'm like, hey,
[1:48] Speaker 2: emergency call immediately.
[1:51] Speaker 1: Hold on, let me get this cobblob off. Call nine
[1:54] Speaker 1: one one. Sorry making fun of their mom, it says.
[1:57] Speaker 1: The calm ranger responded to my mother with, no, ma'am,
[2:00] Speaker 1: this morning at ten am, your daughter Sarah had an
[2:03] Speaker 1: incident in the pool involving an animal attack. What dun duh? Duh?
[2:09] Speaker 1: Cut to my eleven year old perspective. I was swimming,
[2:12] Speaker 1: I was like, first, it was a perfectly written email.
[2:15] Speaker 1: I was swimming in the pool, minding my business when
[2:17] Speaker 1: I heard someone yell, get it out, get it out.
[2:20] Speaker 1: I was curious and swim over to the growing crowd
[2:23] Speaker 1: surrounding a brown dot squirming in the water. I pushed
[2:26] Speaker 1: through the crowd and approached this creature. There's your problem
[2:29] Speaker 1: right there. Hanging back. Maybe get out of the pool,
[2:33] Speaker 1: run the opposite way. Yeah, you don't need to be
[2:35] Speaker 1: up in there, you're eleven. I pushed through the crowd
[2:38] Speaker 1: and approach this creature. I wasn't wearing my glasses.
[2:42] Speaker 2: Oh then why okay, I don't want to yell at
[2:45] Speaker 2: a child.
[2:46] Speaker 1: I mean, I just just eleven. So to my naked eyes,
[2:49] Speaker 1: it appeared simply to be a bird. In my mind,
[2:53] Speaker 1: I was an animal savior to all creatures great and small,
[2:57] Speaker 1: and animal savior child creatures great and small is italicized.
[3:02] Speaker 1: So into my hands it went. However, as I exited
[3:05] Speaker 1: the pool, I began to notice the features of this
[3:07] Speaker 1: creature were not that of a bird, but rather a
[3:11] Speaker 1: curved nose bat. No. The second my brain realized what
[3:18] Speaker 1: it was, it awoke from its post drowning nap and
[3:21] Speaker 1: began to bite me on my thumb. I panicked as
[3:25] Speaker 1: the pain surged from its teeth digging into me. I
[3:28] Speaker 1: looked around for help, but none came.
[3:30] Speaker 2: Because everyone knows not the touch of bat, but everyone
[3:34] Speaker 2: wears their glasses on.
[3:35] Speaker 1: In the pool, everyone with good vision stayed in a
[3:38] Speaker 1: circle around the bat did not break through. I relate
[3:42] Speaker 1: to this person so much, stop breaking through. I looked
[3:46] Speaker 1: around for help, but none came. So my solution was
[3:49] Speaker 1: to rip it from my flesh and throw it across
[3:52] Speaker 1: the concrete pools.
[3:53] Speaker 2: Oh my god, which we get it? Yeah?
[3:57] Speaker 1: The rest is a blur. But a ranger came and
[4:00] Speaker 1: sured the bat and took it away. I didn't know
[4:02] Speaker 1: the procedures of such attacks, but what I did know
[4:05] Speaker 1: is that I was never allowed in the park pool again. Wow,
[4:09] Speaker 1: at age eleven. I don't know if that's her fault.
[4:12] Speaker 2: It's like, do we have any adults present keeping an
[4:14] Speaker 2: eye on everything?
[4:15] Speaker 1: It sounds like I bet you there was a fifteen
[4:16] Speaker 1: year old up on that lifeguard stand right. It was
[4:19] Speaker 1: also just watching the kids circle up around a bat.
[4:23] Speaker 1: The worst part of this story is that my parents
[4:25] Speaker 1: got a fateful call from the park labs and were
[4:28] Speaker 1: told that they had less than seventy two hours to
[4:31] Speaker 1: get me to the hospital and get me vaccinated because
[4:34] Speaker 1: the bat tested positive for rabies.
[4:36] Speaker 2: That's like a hard core treatment too, right, Oh yeah,
[4:39] Speaker 2: very painful.
[4:40] Speaker 1: Yes, we had to call Vanderbilt Children's Hospital in Nashville,
[4:44] Speaker 1: Tennessee to make sure they even had the vaccine to
[4:47] Speaker 1: give me. Because it wasn't every day that they had
[4:49] Speaker 1: to administer Raby's shots. Oh it's real old fashioned. After
[4:54] Speaker 1: twenty three shots, Oh my god, I was in the
[4:57] Speaker 1: clear of dying from rabies to day. I always get
[5:00] Speaker 1: weird looks when people see my vaccine records. So yeah,
[5:04] Speaker 1: Batman doesn't have shit on me. They said crap, but
[5:07] Speaker 1: I changed it. Yeah, because it's funny here. Thank you
[5:10] Speaker 1: for being here and telling your stories. I'm a private
[5:12] Speaker 1: duty nurse and my patient and I love to listen
[5:16] Speaker 1: every morning and it makes our days better. A Hi, Hi,
[5:20] Speaker 1: stay sexy and stay out of the church camp pool.
[5:23] Speaker 2: Sarah, where was Jesus in that moment?
[5:26] Speaker 1: Not on that lifeguard stand watching over the lifeguard I
[5:29] Speaker 1: wasn't swimming next to you. Who watches the watchers? Okay,
[5:35] Speaker 1: that's great.
[5:35] Speaker 2: This is called Broadmoor Hospital celebrity spotting. Hi, Karen and Georgia,
[5:42] Speaker 2: Greetings from Kent, the Garden of England.
[5:45] Speaker 1: What news from Kent?
[5:47] Speaker 2: I live in the county town Maidstone. You straight out
[5:50] Speaker 2: of Game of Thrones, which is a bit of a
[5:52] Speaker 2: shithole but doesn't sound like it, but does have a
[5:56] Speaker 2: prison where Reggie Cray was incarcerated for a spell, But
[5:59] Speaker 2: that's that's not the reason I'm writing the craze. The
[6:02] Speaker 2: craze were the crazy twin like.
[6:04] Speaker 1: Monsters mobsters or were they twins or woul They just
[6:07] Speaker 1: rather close in age.
[6:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that, and they like terrorized.
[6:11] Speaker 1: That everybody, but also had a really great nightclub. Watched
[6:15] Speaker 1: Tom Hardy write in legend or Legendary right, he plays
[6:21] Speaker 1: both parts.
[6:21] Speaker 2: Okay, My sister Kate and I are avid Day one
[6:25] Speaker 2: listeners and have always wished we had a story for you.
[6:27] Speaker 2: When I heard the Shakespeare at Broadmoor episode episode five
[6:31] Speaker 2: thirty two, I realized that finally this is my time
[6:33] Speaker 2: to shine. Kate will be fuming I've beaten her to it.
[6:36] Speaker 2: If you read this out nice go to hello. We
[6:40] Speaker 2: love starting sibling foots. We come from a very large
[6:44] Speaker 2: family with a shall we say, colorful past. When I
[6:47] Speaker 2: was a kid, I was a keen, nerdy letter writer
[6:50] Speaker 2: and one of my favorite correspondents was my uncle Jeff.
[6:53] Speaker 2: But with the G Joff, Geoff Joff. When sober and medicated, Joff.
[6:58] Speaker 1: Was warm, It's not really nice.
[7:00] Speaker 2: Jeff was warm, kind company, prone to lavish gestures, and
[7:05] Speaker 2: possessed a dry, dark sense of humor. When he wasn't,
[7:07] Speaker 2: things were harder for him, and he spent many spells
[7:10] Speaker 2: at Her Majesty's pleasure, including some stints at Broadmore. I
[7:14] Speaker 2: don't know exactly how he came to be there, but
[7:16] Speaker 2: he was definitely nearer the June and Jennifer end of
[7:19] Speaker 2: the spectrum than the Hardcorengans, Rongans Rongins. Anyway, one day,
[7:24] Speaker 2: when I was about sixteen, I went with another of
[7:26] Speaker 2: my uncles to visit Jeff there in the central hall
[7:29] Speaker 2: where I think the Shakespeare performance must have been held.
[7:32] Speaker 2: It was great to see him, and he was calm,
[7:34] Speaker 2: genial company. He bought me flowers in a very expensive
[7:37] Speaker 2: bottle of perfume and says, I don't know how he
[7:40] Speaker 2: got a hold of it, but I do know that
[7:41] Speaker 2: I couldn't wait to crow about it to my pals.
[7:44] Speaker 2: The wording of this emails great.
[7:45] Speaker 1: Sorry if giving from within he had a touch traded
[7:49] Speaker 1: that like cigarettes or something like that. That's really nice, right.
[7:53] Speaker 2: The whole thing was a young Murderino's daydream. At the races,
[7:57] Speaker 2: my other uncle and I were not the only visitors,
[7:59] Speaker 2: and the hall was pretty crowded. Just over the way
[8:03] Speaker 2: was Ronnie Cray and visiting associates, looking for all the
[8:07] Speaker 2: world like a twinkly grandpa with his smart zoot suit
[8:10] Speaker 2: and teddy boy brill creamed hair. It was nineteen ninety one,
[8:14] Speaker 2: so pretty anachronistic, but very dapper.
[8:17] Speaker 1: He still was like getting dressed up.
[8:19] Speaker 2: And people were still coming to see him. They were
[8:22] Speaker 2: power And then across the room, staring all caps right
[8:26] Speaker 2: at me was none other than Peter Sutcliffe aka the
[8:31] Speaker 2: Yorkshire Ripper. When I was growing up, he was the
[8:35] Speaker 2: absolute number one fear of young women in the UK.
[8:37] Speaker 2: And I am not joking when I say his dead
[8:40] Speaker 2: cold stare made my blood run absolutely icy. And the
[8:44] Speaker 2: kicker his visitor was a beautiful young woman.
[8:48] Speaker 1: What was she thinking?
[8:50] Speaker 2: Jeff struggled in the outside world and is long gone now,
[8:52] Speaker 2: but I like to think he was in the audience
[8:54] Speaker 2: of the play, and I know he would have found
[8:56] Speaker 2: it to be bomb.
[8:57] Speaker 1: For his troubled soul.
[8:58] Speaker 2: Stay sexy and don't have lock eyes with the serial
[9:01] Speaker 2: killer Beck.
[9:03] Speaker 1: Wow, Like that would an experience of like going into
[9:07] Speaker 1: a place like that where you are there's somebody that
[9:11] Speaker 1: you're there for a real reason. Yeah, but you know
[9:14] Speaker 1: where you are and you know what you're looking at.
[9:16] Speaker 2: I mean, how scary for the people that are there,
[9:18] Speaker 2: not because they've committed any crimes, but just right need
[9:22] Speaker 2: some help. Yeah.
[9:24] Speaker 1: Interesting. Brodmore gets brought up a lot in this podcast. Yeah,
[9:27] Speaker 1: it does fascinating. Find someone that used to work there. Yeah,
[9:30] Speaker 1: bring them on or go there to a live show
[9:36] Speaker 1: my MFM. Brodmore. No, just kidding, just shut it down.
[9:41] Speaker 1: We just end up getting all of it shut down.
[9:43] Speaker 1: We are not the cramps. This is no, no, no, okay.
[9:49] Speaker 1: The subject line of this email is energy vampire teacher
[9:53] Speaker 1: I went to and it just gets right into it.
[9:55] Speaker 1: I went to a small high school, maybe one hundred
[9:57] Speaker 1: and fifty students in the Midwest. On the last day
[9:59] Speaker 1: of the school year, I confess to one of my
[10:01] Speaker 1: teachers that I hadn't completed my final project comparing a
[10:05] Speaker 1: historically important piece of literature to a modern version. So
[10:08] Speaker 1: he asked me a couple of questions. Did you read
[10:10] Speaker 1: the books? Yes? Did you learn something? Yes? Okay, then
[10:15] Speaker 1: you passed high school Anxiety procrastinations somehow won that day amazing.
[10:21] Speaker 1: Years later, while watching the intro to the first episode
[10:24] Speaker 1: of a new TV show, I had deposit in disbelief
[10:27] Speaker 1: when I saw and later learned that the very same teacher,
[10:31] Speaker 1: Mark Prochs was now the one and only our favorite
[10:35] Speaker 1: energy vampire, Colin Robinson of What We Do in the
[10:39] Speaker 1: Shadows he was a teacher. I love that fucking show
[10:45] Speaker 1: so much, and I love that guy.
[10:46] Speaker 2: He's so funny, he is so good. All of them
[10:50] Speaker 2: are so good on that. To watch the TV show
[10:52] Speaker 2: What We Do in the Shadows, I feel I am
[10:55] Speaker 2: jealous of you that you get a start over.
[10:57] Speaker 1: You have seasons and seasons to binge if Matt Berry
[11:00] Speaker 1: to learn about and then enjoy for the first time.
[11:03] Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yes, and he's just still this guy's
[11:07] Speaker 2: I don't love his name, but that's amazing.
[11:08] Speaker 1: Okay, I know, God, And it's very funny that he's
[11:11] Speaker 1: not a household name, but Colin Robinson I would have
[11:14] Speaker 1: been like a totally and I thought.
[11:15] Speaker 2: I would have known his name, and so I'm surprised.
[11:17] Speaker 1: I don't okay approach. I honestly hope that he doesn't
[11:21] Speaker 1: remember me now, because my anxiety brain still recalls with
[11:24] Speaker 1: too much clarity all the ways I embarrassed myself that
[11:27] Speaker 1: year and probably irked him in one way or another
[11:30] Speaker 1: in other chance meetings throughout the remainder of my teens.
[11:33] Speaker 1: I guess he has more important things to think about,
[11:35] Speaker 1: but the high schooler part of my brain will always
[11:37] Speaker 1: worry about what people thought of me. Twenty ish years ago,
[11:40] Speaker 1: I first began listening to my favorite murder right after
[11:42] Speaker 1: moving into a house in the woods. So sorry I
[11:45] Speaker 1: missed that little tidbit of advice to stay out of
[11:47] Speaker 1: the forest. Your voices have continued to keep me company
[11:50] Speaker 1: throughout the years, and yes, I am still in the forest,
[11:53] Speaker 1: and I am still knock on wood. Fine, And then
[11:57] Speaker 1: it just says, ay, ay, yeah, that's so cool.
[12:01] Speaker 2: He was a teacher. He was probably so over at
[12:03] Speaker 2: that point. He was like, did you read?
[12:05] Speaker 1: Did you learn? Then? That's an god bless I have
[12:08] Speaker 1: an audition, yeah for this show. He was an improv
[12:11] Speaker 1: guy for a long time. He was an improv guy
[12:13] Speaker 1: and he did this really amazing thing because my friends
[12:16] Speaker 1: ran the Found Footage festival. Oh yeah, so they got
[12:19] Speaker 1: the footage of him as a fake expert. I think
[12:23] Speaker 1: he was a fake yo yo expert on local news.
[12:25] Speaker 1: That's kind of where he first got discovered because he
[12:28] Speaker 1: was so he just ruined the morning news on purpose
[12:32] Speaker 1: and so realistically amazing.
[12:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, so amazing, so good. Okay, I have to love
[12:38] Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you the name of this one. Okay, Hi,
[12:41] Speaker 2: ladies and co.
[12:44] Speaker 1: That's a good one.
[12:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, love y'all lots, thanks for being bad. Let's get
[12:47] Speaker 2: into it. My dad was raised and lived in the
[12:50] Speaker 2: suburbs of Chicago for his entire life. When my dad
[12:53] Speaker 2: was in his high school days in the seventies, he
[12:55] Speaker 2: and his friends decided to build and sell large speakers.
[12:58] Speaker 2: With this quote luke it of business in mind, the
[13:01] Speaker 2: group started to collect supplies. They needed a particular type
[13:04] Speaker 2: of foam to fill the speakers with, and they found
[13:06] Speaker 2: a local junkyard.
[13:07] Speaker 1: That would sell it to them for cheap.
[13:09] Speaker 2: The owner said for twenty bucks, the boys could take
[13:12] Speaker 2: as much foam as they could carry. The owner called
[13:14] Speaker 2: his brother over and told the brother to show my
[13:17] Speaker 2: dad and his friends where the foam was located. They
[13:20] Speaker 2: started walking with the brother and the guys all got
[13:22] Speaker 2: strange vibes from him immediately, and he guess says, yet, uh, well, foam,
[13:29] Speaker 2: it wasn't nothing to do with foam.
[13:31] Speaker 1: Well, no hillside stranglers, no all, my and this is all,
[13:35] Speaker 1: it's in Chicago.
[13:36] Speaker 2: All my dad's friends were avoiding talking to the brother
[13:38] Speaker 2: because of how creepy.
[13:39] Speaker 1: He was, but my thinking about what we do in
[13:41] Speaker 1: the shadows.
[13:44] Speaker 2: But my dad, being a smart and savvy businessman, knew
[13:47] Speaker 2: the more he got on this guy's good side, the
[13:49] Speaker 2: more opportunity they would have in the future to grow
[13:51] Speaker 2: their speaker business. And that was how easy it was
[13:54] Speaker 2: to make money back then. You just made a thing
[13:57] Speaker 2: out of nothing, out of trash, You.
[13:59] Speaker 1: Made something, and you were a nice man to another man. Yeah,
[14:02] Speaker 1: and then good luck with everything, right.
[14:04] Speaker 2: My dad's schmoozing and kindness led to this guy eventually
[14:07] Speaker 2: softening a bit to my dad, but only my dad.
[14:10] Speaker 2: After they collected all the phone they could carry, my
[14:12] Speaker 2: dad thanked this man and said they would be back
[14:14] Speaker 2: again for more. After building one to do speakers and
[14:17] Speaker 2: being immediately bored of the project, the guys quit their
[14:20] Speaker 2: speaker of building business and therefore never returned to the junkyard.
[14:24] Speaker 2: Years later, my dad saw a news report about a
[14:27] Speaker 2: man suspected of domestic terrorism and murder. He recognizes the
[14:32] Speaker 2: man being fingered, but can't quite place him, and it
[14:35] Speaker 2: bothers him for months. Months maybe even close to a
[14:38] Speaker 2: year later, my dad realizes that the man was the
[14:41] Speaker 2: one who worked in the junkyard. The man was none
[14:44] Speaker 2: other than the unibomber ted Kaczynski.
[14:47] Speaker 1: I didn't realize. I thought he was he targeted professors.
[14:51] Speaker 1: But he was he himself, wasn't he?
[14:55] Speaker 2: Yes, he went to Harvard, Remember they did that. They
[14:57] Speaker 2: think that they did all these LSD experiments on and oh,
[15:00] Speaker 2: ok theme all. I remember his brother's the one who
[15:03] Speaker 2: turned him in.
[15:04] Speaker 1: Turned him in. Yeah, but I just never realized he
[15:06] Speaker 1: had like a junkyard phase. Same. No, that deep cut.
[15:11] Speaker 2: The factory yard they picked up the phone from was
[15:13] Speaker 2: owned by Kazinski's brother. He and his wife would later
[15:15] Speaker 2: turn Kazinsky into the authorities. This is just one of
[15:18] Speaker 2: the many stories my dad shared with me over the years.
[15:20] Speaker 2: My father was always into true crime and mysteries, later
[15:23] Speaker 2: going on to become a lawyer and pass his love
[15:25] Speaker 2: from mysteries on to me. My dad became a well
[15:28] Speaker 2: respected lawyer, working for the State's Attorney's Office for many years,
[15:32] Speaker 2: being on staff while cases like John Wayne Gacy and
[15:34] Speaker 2: other notorious Chicagoland area murders were being tried and sentenced.
[15:39] Speaker 2: So of course, he had many crazy stories and sometimes
[15:42] Speaker 2: insider info on Chicago land crimes.
[15:45] Speaker 1: Can we have that please? Uh no, actually you legally cannot,
[15:48] Speaker 1: all right.
[15:49] Speaker 2: He ended his career at our Country's courthouse, where he
[15:51] Speaker 2: worked for over a decade. He passed away in August
[15:53] Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen after a long battle with skin cancer.
[15:57] Speaker 2: Shortly after, one of the halls in our County's courthouse
[16:00] Speaker 2: was named after him in honor of his devoted heart
[16:02] Speaker 2: to seeing liberty and justice for all. He left a
[16:05] Speaker 2: forever impact on our county, our family, and the lives
[16:08] Speaker 2: of so many. I am proud to be part of
[16:10] Speaker 2: his legacy. Karen you sharing your Karen you sharing your
[16:16] Speaker 2: journey of losing your mother to a disease where you
[16:18] Speaker 2: don't recognize your family member has touched me and made
[16:21] Speaker 2: my journey of being a caretaker for a sick parent
[16:24] Speaker 2: feel a little less isolating. Thank you both for making
[16:27] Speaker 2: me laugh on tough days and being an escape from
[16:30] Speaker 2: reality when I needed one while taking care of him.
[16:32] Speaker 1: For the last few years of his life.
[16:35] Speaker 2: Stay sexy, don't buy foam from serial killers, and most importantly,
[16:39] Speaker 2: get your yearly check up at your dermatologist.
[16:42] Speaker 1: Katie God, Katie, so many lessons to be learned from
[16:46] Speaker 1: this one, so many lessons, but also what an incredible
[16:49] Speaker 1: thing to have a dad that worked so well, didn't
[16:54] Speaker 1: just work hard, didn't just like yeah, devote himself for
[16:58] Speaker 1: whatever his reasons are, but like the point where they're like, oh,
[17:01] Speaker 1: we're going to give him a wing. We're gonna name
[17:02] Speaker 1: a wing after him.
[17:03] Speaker 2: And Ted Kaczynski, who famously hated everyone, Oh yeah, fucking
[17:08] Speaker 2: like you, only you you kissed.
[17:10] Speaker 1: Up to somebody that was unkiss uppable too.
[17:12] Speaker 2: Or like you were just like you treated to them
[17:14] Speaker 2: like a human being enough that they were like, this
[17:16] Speaker 2: guy's pretty cool. Yeah, wild, Thank you, Katie.
[17:20] Speaker 1: Good job, Katie. All right, here's my last one, so
[17:25] Speaker 1: in honor of Father's Day, talking about Champion Fathers right coming,
[17:30] Speaker 1: which is coming up. The subject line of this the
[17:34] Speaker 1: American version I couldn't read to you, but here's the
[17:36] Speaker 1: British version. The subject line is the ultimate cunt. Now
[17:42] Speaker 1: with do with that? Editor is what you will? Okay,
[17:45] Speaker 1: So it says hey to all the pets and people
[17:47] Speaker 1: at my favorite murder. Firstly, I'd like to say how
[17:49] Speaker 1: much your podcast has helped with some of the hardest
[17:52] Speaker 1: times in my life. I now listen while making ashes jewelry,
[17:56] Speaker 1: and then in parentheses it says, yep, like the cremations
[17:59] Speaker 1: of people and pets. Oh so you can have a
[18:02] Speaker 1: little permanent I want that. Yeah, you just look them.
[18:08] Speaker 2: Really, I didn't realize you were morbid as fuck.
[18:12] Speaker 1: Well, I was just like, Elvis has been gone for
[18:15] Speaker 1: too long, So you can't have just like ashes. Oh
[18:19] Speaker 1: do you really? Of course? Oh you didn't bury him?
[18:22] Speaker 1: Where am I gonna? I don't live anywhere long enough
[18:24] Speaker 1: to like up aforest lawn. Look, I'm not going to
[18:27] Speaker 1: fight with you on Mike about this, but you should
[18:29] Speaker 1: have buried him in a human He's on a shelf
[18:32] Speaker 1: that looks lovely. Well, now you can make it. We've
[18:36] Speaker 1: got a friend in the business. Okay. Sorry. My dad
[18:40] Speaker 1: was always doing something dodgy for quick cash. One of
[18:43] Speaker 1: his many great get rich quick schemes involved with my
[18:46] Speaker 1: brother and myself. He had decided that selling cigarettes he
[18:49] Speaker 1: had purchased in France, it would be his new money
[18:52] Speaker 1: making idea. Oh Dad, so this isn't just your average
[18:57] Speaker 1: I think that we've gotten a lot of trash Dad
[18:59] Speaker 1: stories where it's like he forgot to pick us up
[19:01] Speaker 1: from skating or whatever. And this is like, I think
[19:05] Speaker 1: this is where might go into a new level of
[19:07] Speaker 1: British trash. It's actually illegal at this point. Yard we're
[19:10] Speaker 1: getting into a legal territory. We're getting creative with how
[19:14] Speaker 1: we're going to be trashy okay. So it says the
[19:18] Speaker 1: only problem being that you could only bring a few
[19:22] Speaker 1: cartons without having to pay tax coming back to the UK.
[19:26] Speaker 1: That's when the baguette trip started. What would take us
[19:30] Speaker 1: both over on the car ferry to France, fill the
[19:34] Speaker 1: back of the car fully with creates of cigarettes, and
[19:36] Speaker 1: then place a blanket on top and tell me and
[19:39] Speaker 1: my brother to pretend to be asleep. When the customs
[19:41] Speaker 1: person would come and look in the car, my dad
[19:44] Speaker 1: would innocently say that his two young children were asleep
[19:46] Speaker 1: in the back and they would let us pass without
[19:49] Speaker 1: any search. And then in parentheses that says this was
[19:51] Speaker 1: the early nineties. Oh my god, this happened regularly for
[19:55] Speaker 1: a few years. Oh my god. What did me and
[19:58] Speaker 1: my brother get out of this trip? You guessed it?
[20:01] Speaker 1: A fresh baguette or I mean, come on, Unortho, get
[20:07] Speaker 1: some of that French butter. You're all set hell yeah.
[20:09] Speaker 1: I wonder what my teachers must have thought when they
[20:12] Speaker 1: asked what we did most weekends, and I answered with
[20:15] Speaker 1: we went to get the baguettes. It wasn't all that bad,
[20:19] Speaker 1: as on one of the bagette trips he surprised us
[20:21] Speaker 1: with a trip to Disneyland Paris. It was probably our
[20:25] Speaker 1: cut of the money from the cigarettes the operation we
[20:28] Speaker 1: had been crucial to carrying out. Not sure how or
[20:31] Speaker 1: why the trip stopped. He probably found his next big
[20:34] Speaker 1: idea and moved on. When my siblings and I laugh
[20:37] Speaker 1: about this stuff that happened in our childhood around normal folks,
[20:40] Speaker 1: we usually get the wide eyed horror you might need
[20:43] Speaker 1: therapy looks. But I wouldn't change my wild childhood for anything.
[20:47] Speaker 1: I mean the kind of dad that will cook up
[20:49] Speaker 1: a plan like that.
[20:50] Speaker 2: It's like innocent in a way, yes, And I'm dying
[20:54] Speaker 2: to know how much money he made.
[20:55] Speaker 1: Because he's just trying to get around like a tax
[20:58] Speaker 1: It's not he is not stealing money from other people now.
[21:01] Speaker 2: He's not putting the kids in harm's way in any way.
[21:04] Speaker 1: No, not really.
[21:05] Speaker 2: He's giving them bread, and he's giving them the best
[21:08] Speaker 2: bread in the world.
[21:09] Speaker 1: So you can argue that he's like he cares more
[21:11] Speaker 1: than other parents because he's delivering fresh French. Have you
[21:15] Speaker 1: ever had a French bag at? Fuck?
[21:17] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[21:17] Speaker 1: I mean my dad was a chain smoking, flat cap wearing,
[21:21] Speaker 1: cunt word loving man, British British cut. He passed away
[21:26] Speaker 1: three weeks ago from cancer, and listening to all his
[21:29] Speaker 1: friends and family tell the most unhinged stories about him
[21:32] Speaker 1: in his life has made me cry, laugh and be
[21:35] Speaker 1: so thankful for the colorful childhood I had. If you
[21:38] Speaker 1: need any more wild stories about trash dads, I could
[21:41] Speaker 1: probably write a thousand emails, like the time he turned
[21:44] Speaker 1: off someone's water and then cemented over the tap, oh
[21:47] Speaker 1: my god. Or I need to know who deserved that?
[21:54] Speaker 1: What did they do to deserve that? Or his fortieth
[21:56] Speaker 1: birthday where he wore a penis hat with forty on it.
[22:00] Speaker 1: Just tiny pants all day photo please? Oh, the list
[22:05] Speaker 1: is wild. His last wish, which he gave me the
[22:09] Speaker 1: pleasure of executing, was to have a flower arrangement with
[22:13] Speaker 1: his favorite word on it. Try organizing that with a
[22:16] Speaker 1: funeral director. Oh my god, ha ha ha. No. I
[22:19] Speaker 1: have an attached photo for you. Please feel free to share,
[22:23] Speaker 1: stay sexy and use your children to smuggle cigarettes or
[22:26] Speaker 1: maybe don't. Here's the picture.
[22:31] Speaker 2: It says it's there's like a beautiful flower arrangement in
[22:34] Speaker 2: the back of our hearse with the coffin and a
[22:37] Speaker 2: little red ribbon signs says cunt and that.
[22:41] Speaker 1: But do you see what that flower arrangement is? It's
[22:43] Speaker 1: a cigarette. Oh my god, it's very subtle. I just
[22:48] Speaker 1: thought it was like kind of weird. But no, no
[22:51] Speaker 1: cigarette with the word cigarette with the work cunt.
[22:54] Speaker 2: That's how do you?
[22:55] Speaker 1: That's how to go out? And I think if I'm
[22:57] Speaker 1: not mistaken, I could be. But that's on top of
[23:00] Speaker 1: the coffin that's in the back of the hearse. Yeah,
[23:03] Speaker 1: that's the coffin right there. Yeah, so that's all. Oh
[23:05] Speaker 1: my god, let's put a decoration on top. We'll put
[23:08] Speaker 1: it on social media. That's beautiful. Wow. Well, our condolences
[23:14] Speaker 1: to you about losing your father, especially so recently. I
[23:18] Speaker 1: love that they used this email to basically process some
[23:24] Speaker 1: memories because please please send more.
[23:28] Speaker 2: The trash dad stories or trash parent stories, trust, trash
[23:31] Speaker 2: sibling stories, A great a good anti one islcome yes.
[23:36] Speaker 1: My favorite murder at Gmail. What a way to celebrate
[23:39] Speaker 1: father's day. Yeah, is like a great dad that really
[23:43] Speaker 1: lived and lived and lived and then included his kids.
[23:46] Speaker 2: I was going to say that he could have gone
[23:47] Speaker 2: on his own and been gone all weekend, and no,
[23:49] Speaker 2: he was like, I need to spend time with my kids,
[23:51] Speaker 2: but I also need to make that money.
[23:52] Speaker 1: And I need to not get caught right, and I
[23:55] Speaker 1: love bread, and I can put those things all together.
[23:57] Speaker 1: Let's mix it in a big salad of legal childhood activity.
[24:02] Speaker 2: Okay, I'll do one more trash or treasure Dad for
[24:05] Speaker 2: Father's Day. Great in honor of Father's Day, Hey, besties,
[24:10] Speaker 2: my parents divorced just before my second birthday, leaving my
[24:12] Speaker 2: dad to navigate life with two little girls.
[24:15] Speaker 1: Every other weekend.
[24:17] Speaker 2: Think birthday dinners at Red Lobster with all my dad's
[24:19] Speaker 2: bachelor friends and backyard bondfuyers with those same guys, where
[24:24] Speaker 2: I got to play bartender and stay up late until
[24:26] Speaker 2: the dirty jokes started.
[24:28] Speaker 1: Yeah tell yeah, and that basically the slightly drunk dad's like,
[24:31] Speaker 1: oh wait, you guys got to get a bed. I
[24:33] Speaker 1: don't tell your mother. I don't, you can't.
[24:35] Speaker 2: My dad was also very frugal and taught me and
[24:37] Speaker 2: my sister to always be on the lookout for spare
[24:39] Speaker 2: change on the ground. I was excellent at this, spotting
[24:43] Speaker 2: a penny from feet away, oftentimes collecting several coins at
[24:46] Speaker 2: once before my sister even had the chance to look
[24:49] Speaker 2: at the ground. She was more of a head in
[24:51] Speaker 2: the clouds kind of girl. But not me. I had
[24:54] Speaker 2: my eyes on high alert for those precious bits of
[24:57] Speaker 2: spare change. I had been doing this for as long
[25:00] Speaker 2: as I can remember, and pride myself on being pretty
[25:02] Speaker 2: good at finding things. While visiting my dad recently, I
[25:05] Speaker 2: was reminiscing about my childhood finds and saying that now
[25:08] Speaker 2: when I find change, I give it to my daughter
[25:10] Speaker 2: for her piggy bank. My dad smiled and said that's nice,
[25:14] Speaker 2: but he's surprised I'm still finding change on the ground.
[25:17] Speaker 2: I assumed he meant because we've become a cashless society,
[25:20] Speaker 2: but no, he goes on to say that he used
[25:23] Speaker 2: to drop coins for us to find outside his car
[25:26] Speaker 2: before getting us out of our seats. Part of me
[25:31] Speaker 2: was in disbelief that my finding skills were based on
[25:33] Speaker 2: a lie, but a bigger part of.
[25:36] Speaker 1: Me has sound so much joy in this.
[25:38] Speaker 2: It's so cute, I know, and you used to still
[25:41] Speaker 2: all a change from your dad's Yeah, yeah.
[25:43] Speaker 1: Changes a big part of like childhood with your dad?
[25:46] Speaker 2: Totally my dad my dad and may have been a
[25:49] Speaker 2: typical nineties trash dad at times, but he also tried
[25:52] Speaker 2: so hard to make every moment of our limited time
[25:55] Speaker 2: with him special.
[25:57] Speaker 1: So maybe he is a treasured.
[25:58] Speaker 2: Dad after all he is is stay sexy and drop
[26:01] Speaker 2: change for your kids to find. You never know what
[26:03] Speaker 2: could turn into a core memory. Sally Forth, Sarah she her, thanks, Sarah.
[26:11] Speaker 2: If I had, if I had a switch to blip,
[26:13] Speaker 2: I'd be crying right now and I can feel it there,
[26:16] Speaker 2: but it's not happening. We got it.
[26:17] Speaker 1: Let's give it a couple of months, okay. I mean
[26:19] Speaker 1: that's beautiful. And also it truly is like the weirdest
[26:23] Speaker 1: surprise I didn't see coming. Yeah, I mean neither. He's
[26:26] Speaker 1: just like distraction.
[26:28] Speaker 2: Oh, you're so good at finding changed. I'm so good
[26:31] Speaker 2: at finding Like what a beautiful thing to good Yeah,
[26:35] Speaker 2: to bestow on your child?
[26:36] Speaker 1: I love, that's like, how are you still finding change?
[26:39] Speaker 1: I I threw that change? Are you never? I never
[26:42] Speaker 1: told you? And now it's like someone with an eagle eye.
[26:45] Speaker 1: It's like I paid my mortgage with that change, Dad,
[26:48] Speaker 1: Thank you well. Happy Father's Day every to everybody who
[26:52] Speaker 1: celebrates right dads and grabs that's try, and moms who
[26:55] Speaker 1: act like dads that's right, and dads who do it
[26:57] Speaker 1: all and moms who do most of the things too
[27:01] Speaker 1: as well. And let's not forget the moms on Father's Day,
[27:03] Speaker 1: right please, Oh and stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis,
[27:09] Speaker 1: Do you want a cookie? This has been an exactly
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[27:23] Speaker 2: is Tessa Hughes.
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