# The Midday Report: Big win for ANC

An episode of [The Midday Report with Mandy Wiener](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1074292047), 15 Oct 2026, 42 min.

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## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Every promise, every word, every word. Follow every moment of
[0:06] Speaker 1: the local government elections on 702 Cape Talk and EWN.co.za.
[0:15] Speaker 1: You're with Mandy Weiner on 702. Let's Walk the Talk,
[0:19] Speaker 1: streaming on the Prime Media Plus app. DSTV Channel 856,
[0:23] Speaker 1: 92.7 and 106 FM.
[0:28] Speaker 2: Coming up on the show today, the ANC wins in
[0:30] Speaker 2: the constitutional court. Its candidates in six regions can contest
[0:34] Speaker 2: the elections. An emotional secretary general, Fakida Mbalula, collapses at
[0:38] Speaker 2: court during his media briefing. Shadrach Sabir's bail application postponed
[0:42] Speaker 2: for judgment. Drug makers are urging a crackdown on illegal
[0:46] Speaker 2: obesity medicines. And our book of the week is about
[0:48] Speaker 2: how AI is your frenemy. All of that over the
[0:52] Speaker 2: next hour.
[0:54] Speaker 1: The Midday Report with Mandy Wiener. Streaming on the Prime
[0:58] Speaker 1: Media Plus app, DSTV Channel 856, 92.7 and 106 FM.
[1:03] Speaker 3: Good afternoon.
[1:06] Speaker 2: Welcome to The Midday Report on 702 and Cape Talk
[1:09] Speaker 2: with me, Mandy Wiener.
[1:10] Speaker 3: Good to be with you today. I love this message. Mandy,
[1:13] Speaker 3: you don't have to start your segments at noon.
[1:15] Speaker 2: In fact, you don't have to do it at all
[1:17] Speaker 2: as long as the intention is there because who sticks
[1:20] Speaker 2: to deadlines? That judgment just sets the flavor for the
[1:23] Speaker 2: rest of our society. We don't need to follow processes
[1:26] Speaker 2: or deadlines anymore.
[1:27] Speaker 3: What a joke.
[1:28] Speaker 2: The Constitutional Court handing down its decision today, the ANC
[1:33] Speaker 2: winning its argument that its candidates in six regions can
[1:37] Speaker 2: contest the elections, all to do with that submit final button.
[1:41] Speaker 3: So essentially the court.
[1:42] Speaker 2: Not giving reasons, but saying that the ANC had the
[1:47] Speaker 2: intention of to submit the names. So everything is okay.
[1:51] Speaker 2: We'll speak about that. We'll speak to Lindsay Denton. There
[1:53] Speaker 2: are pretty dramatic scenes at court today. The ANC Secretary General,
[1:56] Speaker 2: Fikile Mbalula, and we'll play some audio from that as well,
[2:01] Speaker 2: responding to that judgment, becoming very emotional.
[2:04] Speaker 3: And actually crying.
[2:06] Speaker 2: In that press conference and then collapsing, saying he's not
[2:10] Speaker 2: feeling well. All of this happening on camera and then
[2:13] Speaker 2: the ANC spokesperson taking over there. We'll speak about that.
[2:16] Speaker 2: Send me your WhatsApp voice notes, 072-702-1702, 072-567-1567. And we'll
[2:18] Speaker 2: speak to Stavros Nikolaou, who is representing the pharmaceutical forum
[2:29] Speaker 2: They are seeing a number of these obesity medicines, things
[2:33] Speaker 2: like retitutride, other peptides as well, being sold from.
[2:40] Speaker 3: Gyms and all sorts of places.
[2:42] Speaker 2: Wherever you get your peptides, let me know where you
[2:46] Speaker 2: can get your peptides from.
[2:48] Speaker 3: They want to crack down by authorities.
[2:50] Speaker 2: I wonder if that's something that authorities will actually be
[2:52] Speaker 2: able to crack down on. Let me know what your
[2:55] Speaker 2: experience has been of that. And then, of course, it's Thursday,
[2:58] Speaker 2: and our book of the week is about AI, about
[3:00] Speaker 2: how it's your frenemy.
[3:01] Speaker 3: Has AI changed your life?
[3:03] Speaker 2: Are you using it in a way that is assisting you,
[3:06] Speaker 2: or are you not using it at all?
[3:08] Speaker 3: So let me know what you think about them. I'd
[3:11] Speaker 3: love to hear from you.
[3:12] Speaker 2: So let's start in the Constitutional Court, where Lindsay Dentlinger
[3:14] Speaker 2: has got the latest for us. So, Lindsay, good afternoon
[3:18] Speaker 2: to you. Thank you very much for your time. Take
[3:20] Speaker 2: us through that judgment today.
[3:23] Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Mandy. A very brief, more in order than
[3:27] Speaker 4: the court saying it will provide reasons for its judgment later,
[3:30] Speaker 4: but essentially overturning the ruling.
[3:33] Speaker 5: Of the Electoral Court, which did.
[3:35] Speaker 4: Not find in the ANC's favor to add candidates to
[3:38] Speaker 4: its list. that it had not finally submitted before the deadline.
[3:42] Speaker 4: The Constitutional Court now allowing the ANC to do so,
[3:46] Speaker 4: saying that the IEC should do everything possible to ensure
[3:51] Speaker 4: that these 101 candidates are added to the ballots for
[3:55] Speaker 4: the six affected municipalities and that obviously the party won't
[4:01] Speaker 4: be able to add any new candidates, but certainly those
[4:06] Speaker 4: candidates that it had uploaded and captured information for before
[4:10] Speaker 4: the deadline. But here is Judge Ramaka Matopa handing down
[4:14] Speaker 4: that brief order this morning, Mandy.
[4:16] Speaker 6: The first respondent, which is the Electoral Commission, is directed
[4:21] Speaker 6: to do all things necessary to include the party lists
[4:27] Speaker 6: and what candidate nominations mentioned in paragraph four of this
[4:34] Speaker 6: order So, Lindsay, what does this now mean and what
[4:38] Speaker 6: has the reaction been from the ANC, the IEC, other
[4:41] Speaker 6: parties as well?
[4:57] Speaker 4: Well, for Gillian Belula speaking, after that judgment in the
[4:59] Speaker 4: court really came out guns blazing, said that the ANC
[5:04] Speaker 4: was not seeking to attack the IEC. It didn't believe
[5:08] Speaker 4: that it did so. It was really its application was
[5:11] Speaker 4: to challenge the process itself. and the rules that govern
[5:15] Speaker 4: the submission of candidates. But obviously, with a matter like this,
[5:19] Speaker 4: it became obviously very tense politically. Fikile Mbalula once again
[5:26] Speaker 4: indicating that he would seek to have the DA removed
[5:31] Speaker 4: from the government of national unity because they opposed this
[5:35] Speaker 4: matter both in the Electoral Court and in the Constitutional
[5:38] Speaker 4: Court and said that the ANC didn't need partners like
[5:41] Speaker 4: this who was who were working against it, and so
[5:44] Speaker 4: that they should review that relationship. The DA saying that
[5:49] Speaker 4: it had noted this threat from Fakile and Belula, but
[5:52] Speaker 4: it wasn't in the GNU just to go along with
[5:55] Speaker 4: everything that the ANC says and does, and that it
[5:58] Speaker 4: is focusing on the elections. We know that the DA has...
[6:02] Speaker 4: look to take the gap, especially in the Eastern Cape,
[6:04] Speaker 4: where the ANC has fallen short of or had fallen
[6:07] Speaker 4: short of submitting those candidates, which they will now be
[6:10] Speaker 4: allowed to include. But the DA ramped up its campaign
[6:13] Speaker 4: in the Eastern Cape by naming mayoral candidates, etc., for
[6:16] Speaker 4: municipalities like Ports and Johns and Ingrusa Hill, which are
[6:22] Speaker 4: ANC strongholds, and thought that they could perhaps take the
[6:26] Speaker 4: gap here where the ANC was up until this morning
[6:29] Speaker 4: not included on the ballots. And so a political fracker,
[6:35] Speaker 4: possibly a brewing, the Afrika Mai Brewer movement, Floyd Shivambo's outfit, saying.
[6:41] Speaker 5: That he believed.
[6:43] Speaker 4: And the political parties who found themselves in a similar
[6:46] Speaker 4: position that the ANC did on August 28th should also
[6:51] Speaker 4: be accorded the same treatment. So we know that the
[6:53] Speaker 4: Electoral Court already ruled against the United Democratic Party. fund party.
[7:00] Speaker 4: I think they are named and they actually brought their
[7:02] Speaker 4: application on the deadline day, asking for more time to
[7:05] Speaker 4: submit their candidate list and the Electoral Commission dismissed them.
[7:09] Speaker 4: And so it remains to be seen, Mandy. We know
[7:11] Speaker 4: by the IEC's own admission, there were more than 40
[7:14] Speaker 4: parties in a similar position to the ANC when that
[7:18] Speaker 4: deadline struck. And what will happen now, whether they will
[7:21] Speaker 4: seek to approach the courts or go directly to the
[7:24] Speaker 4: IEC to try to get their candidates on the ballots
[7:27] Speaker 4: as well.
[7:28] Speaker 3: Lindsay, thank you very much.
[7:29] Speaker 2: Lindsay Dentinger, EWN parliamentary reporter with the latest on that judgment.
[7:33] Speaker 2: Let's take a listen now to the ANC Secretary-General for
[7:35] Speaker 2: Kilo Mbalula speaking in court.
[7:38] Speaker 7: Thank you very much, Comrade Mashengi. Ladies and gentlemen of
[7:45] Speaker 7: the media, good morning to all of you. I'm standing
[7:54] Speaker 7: on the steps of the Constitution Hill. On this hill,
[8:01] Speaker 7: our people were once held in cells for demanding the
[8:06] Speaker 7: very thing that has been decided inside this building today.
[8:12] Speaker 7: One sentence on what the court has ordered, the Constitution
[8:19] Speaker 7: has spoken, and it has spoken for the people of
[8:23] Speaker 7: this country. Let me begin with thanks because this was
[8:29] Speaker 7: never the work of one office. I thank the president
[8:38] Speaker 7: of the ANC for his leadership through a hard month
[8:49] Speaker 7: and for insisting at every turn that this movement Take
[8:57] Speaker 7: the lawful road.
[9:00] Speaker 8: And no other.
[9:03] Speaker 7: I thank the national officials of the movement who carried
[9:11] Speaker 7: this matter with patience. Patience was not easy.
[9:19] Speaker 9: Sure.
[9:20] Speaker 2: And then just after that, he said, I'm not feeling well.
[9:23] Speaker 2: And he collapsed on camera. Why do you think Fikile
[9:27] Speaker 2: Mbalula is so emotional about this? He obviously was under
[9:30] Speaker 2: enormous pressure. This could have been a massive indictment on
[9:32] Speaker 2: his leadership if the candidates hadn't been submitted.
[9:35] Speaker 3: So I'm sure he was very stressed.
[9:36] Speaker 2: Maybe he's unwell to give him the benefits of the doubt.
[9:41] Speaker 2: But you heard there, breaking down Fikile Mbalula over this issue.
[9:46] Speaker 3: What do you make of that? What is at stake for.
[9:49] Speaker 2: The ANC here? I think they would have been quite relieved.
[9:53] Speaker 2: and quite stressed about this decision. So much reaction to
[9:56] Speaker 2: it as well. We'll bring you some of that, the
[9:59] Speaker 2: ANC winning. in the Constitutional Court today. Also in court
[10:09] Speaker 2: today in the Randberg Magistrates Court, Shadrach Sabir, the former
[10:12] Speaker 2: Deputy National Police Commissioner's former, his bail application finally coming
[10:18] Speaker 2: to an end. It's now been postponed for judgment, and
[10:22] Speaker 2: it's been quite a lengthy bail application, quite a lot
[10:24] Speaker 2: of detail coming out. Alpha Ramashwana, EWN reporter, has been
[10:28] Speaker 2: in court for us.
[10:29] Speaker 3: He joins us now in our Joburg studio.
[10:31] Speaker 2: Alpha, thank you very much for coming in. So you've
[10:34] Speaker 2: been covering this whole thing. How do you now reflect
[10:38] Speaker 2: on what the evidence is that has emerged?
[10:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, good afternoon, Mandy.
[10:42] Speaker 8: I think this was one of the longest bail applications
[10:45] Speaker 8: that I've personally covered. And the state also had a
[10:49] Speaker 8: similar view because the prosecutor made a remark today to
[10:52] Speaker 8: say that they feel like they are halfway through the
[10:54] Speaker 8: trial already, given the amount of evidence that was presented
[10:58] Speaker 8: during this bail application. I mean, Almost every single day
[11:01] Speaker 8: over the past three weeks, we had a different voice note,
[11:03] Speaker 8: a different sound clip that was played in court. Most
[11:06] Speaker 8: of the clips and the evidence that was brought in
[11:09] Speaker 8: by the state was to try and convince the court
[11:11] Speaker 8: that should Shadrach Sibya be granted bail, he could possibly
[11:15] Speaker 8: try to interfere with this case or intimidate witnesses. I mean,
[11:18] Speaker 8: they even played a clip, a recorded phone call, where
[11:22] Speaker 8: one of his friends, Azuyangwe Maumera, is heard looking for
[11:25] Speaker 8: the identity of the 18-year-old woman who was allegedly raped
[11:29] Speaker 8: by Sibiya to.
[11:30] Speaker 3: Sit down and talk with her.
[11:31] Speaker 8: Another clip that was presented last week was that of
[11:35] Speaker 8: Shadrach Sibiya threatening Mr. M, who is the father of
[11:37] Speaker 8: the 16-year-old that he's accused of sexually grooming. So there
[11:41] Speaker 8: was a lot of evidence where Sibiya is heard allegedly
[11:45] Speaker 8: threatening to wipe out the entire family of the 16-year-old
[11:48] Speaker 8: that he's accused of sexually grooming, his friends as well,
[11:51] Speaker 8: whom the state refers to as a cabal, threatening to...
[11:55] Speaker 8: find the identities of some of the victims and the witnesses.
[11:58] Speaker 8: So really a lot of evidence that was presented for
[12:01] Speaker 8: a bail application.
[12:03] Speaker 2: So today we had the last bits being presented by
[12:07] Speaker 2: the prosecutor in the matter as well.
[12:09] Speaker 3: What else has come out that's new?
[12:11] Speaker 8: While the prosecutor today was giving their own views of
[12:15] Speaker 8: why they are objecting to Shadrach Sibia's bail application, they
[12:19] Speaker 8: believe that if Sibia is to be granted bail, he
[12:22] Speaker 8: could possibly interfere with the case and intimidate witnesses. Going
[12:26] Speaker 8: back to the sound clips and voice notes that were
[12:29] Speaker 8: presented to the court over the past three weeks, in fact,
[12:32] Speaker 8: the prosecutor says, should Sibia be granted bail, the lives
[12:36] Speaker 8: of the victims could possibly be in jeopardy. The 18-year-old
[12:40] Speaker 8: and the 16-year-old are in witness protection as we speak.
[12:43] Speaker 8: We've heard them through affidavits submitted to the court saying
[12:46] Speaker 8: that they are living with suicidal thoughts and they fear
[12:49] Speaker 8: for their lives after the incidents. Let's take a listen
[12:52] Speaker 8: to what Prosecutor Velile Makasana had to say about Chadwick
[12:56] Speaker 8: Sibia's bail application today.
[12:57] Speaker 5: His conduct, and this.
[12:59] Speaker 10: Is what we're busy with your ship here, his conduct
[13:02] Speaker 10: has a direct bearing on this bail application. I'm saying this,
[13:05] Speaker 10: your ship, because I placed on record this study that
[13:10] Speaker 10: now the state is in possession of statements that the
[13:14] Speaker 10: cell phones that he was using around the time of
[13:16] Speaker 10: commission of this offence were wiped out on his instructions.
[13:20] Speaker 10: That will become very much clear during the trial. His
[13:23] Speaker 10: past conduct casts light on what the applicant can do
[13:27] Speaker 10: in future. If being a police officer, he managed to
[13:30] Speaker 10: destroy evidence fully aware that it was sought, then one
[13:35] Speaker 10: shouldn't wonder about his capabilities. It is further submitted that
[13:38] Speaker 10: this act of destroying evidence amounted to a clear interference
[13:42] Speaker 10: with the investigations.
[13:44] Speaker 2: So there we have the prosecutor in the matter, Shadrach
[13:46] Speaker 2: Sabir's bail application finally coming to a conclusion, being postponed
[13:51] Speaker 2: for judgment.
[13:52] Speaker 3: So much detail coming out there. Where does it leave you?
[13:55] Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on this case against Shadrach Sabir?
[13:58] Speaker 3: Is it a stitch-up? Is he being set up?
[14:00] Speaker 2: Or do you believe the evidence that has been read
[14:03] Speaker 2: into the record so far about what the state is
[14:07] Speaker 2: alleging against him?
[14:15] Speaker 11: Dumela Mandia and your team, Kingsley from Germiston. I think
[14:19] Speaker 11: that the reaction of Ubabu Mbalula just goes to show
[14:25] Speaker 11: the magnitude.
[14:27] Speaker 3: Of the error that was made.
[14:32] Speaker 11: However, having said that, if we are a country or
[14:35] Speaker 11: if we accept that we are a country that respects
[14:39] Speaker 11: the rule of law, whether we agree with this judgment
[14:42] Speaker 11: or not, we must accept I think it becomes incumbent
[14:47] Speaker 11: on the media and the relevant experts to explain the
[14:51] Speaker 11: judgment to citizens. And whatever appeal channels there are must
[14:56] Speaker 11: then be followed.
[14:57] Speaker 12: But we must respect the rule of law.
[15:01] Speaker 5: Hi, Mendy.
[15:04] Speaker 3: So Mbaks is crying. Hey, guys.
[15:11] Speaker 5: Hi.
[15:11] Speaker 3: Thanks, Mendy. Let Mbaks cry. He won, but he's crying.
[15:17] Speaker 2: And I asked the question, why do you think he's crying?
[15:19] Speaker 2: Do you think he's genuinely emotional?
[15:20] Speaker 3: Maybe he's unwell.
[15:21] Speaker 2: I said, let's give him the benefits of the doubt then.
[15:23] Speaker 2: I hope he feels better. But very emotional. Diane says, Mandy,
[15:27] Speaker 2: what a great big fat joke. But I knew that
[15:29] Speaker 2: the ANC would get away with it. They are really,
[15:31] Speaker 2: truly above the law. Then Mandy Pakile nearly single-handedly brought
[15:35] Speaker 2: down the ANC with his ineptitude.
[15:37] Speaker 3: I would also cry crocodile tears if I were him.
[15:40] Speaker 2: Robert says, hello, Mandy, I couldn't agree more with your
[15:43] Speaker 2: first message read out.
[15:44] Speaker 3: Yes, a deadline is just a guideline, of course.
[15:46] Speaker 2: My question to the electorate, however, is can you trust
[15:48] Speaker 2: a political party that fails to push a final submit button?
[15:52] Speaker 2: After years of failure across a range of service delivery
[15:54] Speaker 2: areas when hundreds of other parties managed to do it correctly,
[15:57] Speaker 2: they are so disorganized, can't give a list of candidates,
[16:00] Speaker 2: but give us 100 days and we'll prove to you
[16:02] Speaker 2: that we can do it.
[16:03] Speaker 3: Ridiculous. Crocodile tears from Robert. Thank you very much. So
[16:06] Speaker 3: many messages coming through.
[16:08] Speaker 2: Mandy, I bought to Zepatide from a registered GP through
[16:12] Speaker 2: their practice that was produced by a compounding pharmacy.
[16:15] Speaker 3: It was quite expensive.
[16:17] Speaker 2: I soon heard that Zepra warned against these GLP-1s produced
[16:20] Speaker 2: by compounding pharmacies. The GP insisted it was safe to use,
[16:23] Speaker 2: but I stopped using it. I still have my nearly
[16:25] Speaker 2: full pen, but I don't know what I should do
[16:27] Speaker 2: with it. Can you please ask your guests? We'll speak
[16:29] Speaker 2: to Stavros Nikolaou shortly about that.
[16:32] Speaker 1: The Midday Report with Mandy Weiner. Let's walk the talk.
[16:38] Speaker 2: A suspect linked to a deadly shooting in Katlahong on
[16:41] Speaker 2: the East Rand appearing in court in the Palm Ridge
[16:43] Speaker 2: Magistrates Court today. Two men dying at the scene on
[16:46] Speaker 2: Tuesday night. Two others succumbing to injuries in hospital after
[16:50] Speaker 2: a gunman opened fire on a crowd of mourners. Corinda Jagmohan,
[16:54] Speaker 2: EWN reporter on that story for us. Corinda, good afternoon
[16:57] Speaker 2: to you. It sounds like quite a lot of activity
[16:59] Speaker 2: there at this court appearance today.
[17:02] Speaker 13: Certainly.
[17:02] Speaker 5: Good afternoon, Mandy.
[17:03] Speaker 13: Yes, there have been members of the ANC Youth League
[17:06] Speaker 13: as well as members of the EFF coming to protest
[17:09] Speaker 13: outside the court. They were also inside the court. They had,
[17:13] Speaker 13: you know, the gallery packed to the capacity. And, you know,
[17:17] Speaker 13: we're really staring down at the suspect, furious about what
[17:20] Speaker 13: has happened, the death.
[17:21] Speaker 5: Of four people.
[17:22] Speaker 2: Tell us about what we know about the suspect and
[17:25] Speaker 2: the shootings.
[17:27] Speaker 13: So what we know so far is he's now facing
[17:28] Speaker 13: nine criminal charges. It's the four counts of murder, three
[17:31] Speaker 13: counts of attempted murder, and two counts regarding how he
[17:34] Speaker 13: handled his firearms. We know that that was his firearm.
[17:38] Speaker 13: He's 46 years old, and the state alleges that this
[17:40] Speaker 13: was a premeditated incident. That's why they're going for a
[17:43] Speaker 13: Schedule 6 offense. But on the ground, he has been
[17:47] Speaker 13: linked now on the record at least to two political parties. Today,
[17:52] Speaker 13: we saw the EFF housing chairperson, Nkuleleko Dunga, and he
[17:56] Speaker 13: confirmed that back in 2016 to about 2021, Fani Sibeko
[18:01] Speaker 13: was a PR counselor for the EFF. But after that,
[18:06] Speaker 13: he parted ways with the party, with Dunga, saying that
[18:09] Speaker 13: he no longer has political affiliation with the EFF. He
[18:12] Speaker 13: has also been seen, Sibeko has also been seen in
[18:15] Speaker 13: regalia for the Afrika Maibuye party. And there are allegations
[18:19] Speaker 13: that he's currently a councillor candidate. Afrika Maibuye has denied
[18:22] Speaker 13: that he's a councillor candidate for the party, but they
[18:24] Speaker 13: are investigating whether he's a member or not. Nonetheless, the
[18:28] Speaker 13: Gauteng Political Killings Task Team are investigating whether this is
[18:31] Speaker 13: politically motivated, given we're just weeks away from the elections.
[18:35] Speaker 3: Corinda, thank you so much.
[18:36] Speaker 2: Corinda Jagmohan, EWN reporter in court for us with that
[18:39] Speaker 2: suspect linked to that deadly shooting in Katlahong on the
[18:41] Speaker 2: East Grand appearing in court today. And this is always
[18:44] Speaker 2: the concern when you get close to a local government election,
[18:47] Speaker 2: the politically motivated shootings that we're seeing over the next
[18:52] Speaker 2: couple of weeks, I think will be very concerning.
[18:54] Speaker 1: What's up, Mandy? On 072-702-1702.
[19:01] Speaker 12: Singing here about that song now.
[19:03] Speaker 14: The ANC is my party.
[19:05] Speaker 3: I can cry if I want to. Cry if I
[19:07] Speaker 3: want to.
[19:07] Speaker 12: You will also cry if it happen to you.
[19:10] Speaker 3: Oi, good afternoon, man.
[19:12] Speaker 1: Johnny, I'm from Kuala Lenni.
[19:14] Speaker 3: What an actor. What a fool.
[19:17] Speaker 1: This Mbalula.
[19:20] Speaker 4: Big Mars.
[19:22] Speaker 3: What an actor.
[19:24] Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
[19:26] Speaker 3: This guy goes to the extremes.
[19:29] Speaker 1: My, my, oh, my.
[19:31] Speaker 14: Is this the type of leader South Africa has got?
[19:35] Speaker 3: Thank you.
[19:39] Speaker 5: Sure.
[19:39] Speaker 2: I feel like we're being a bit insensitive, no? I mean,
[19:42] Speaker 2: we don't know. Maybe he's not well.
[19:44] Speaker 3: Maybe he's genuinely moved.
[19:46] Speaker 2: I always, you know, give the benefits of the doubt
[19:49] Speaker 2: and people think i'm mad um hi mandy um when
[19:53] Speaker 2: you read or play audio from people reacting to the
[19:55] Speaker 2: constitutional court judgment may you please mix the reactions not
[19:58] Speaker 2: only reading or playing messages from people not happy with
[20:00] Speaker 2: this judgment who are saying the constitutional court got it
[20:02] Speaker 2: wrong let's have balance I can't fabricate voice notes. I
[20:06] Speaker 2: can't create them. We are not being selective in what
[20:10] Speaker 2: we are choosing to play. Send me a voice note
[20:14] Speaker 2: if you are happy with the Constitutional Court judgment, and
[20:16] Speaker 2: I will play it. And then hi, 702 listeners. In
[20:23] Speaker 2: Babakas and Mandela and Baksa's Cry.
[20:26] Speaker 3: Is called Umkhola in Zulu.
[20:29] Speaker 2: He can see that the sheep, I think the sheep,
[20:32] Speaker 2: is sinking with the entire luggage. And then Nigel says
[20:36] Speaker 2: he fainted because he nearly lost his paycheck. Lots of
[20:40] Speaker 2: people responding there. Brian Mulefe's tears of deception is costing
[20:44] Speaker 2: taxpayers money for dereliction of duty in a.
[20:46] Speaker 3: Normal society was supposed to be recalled or fired.
[20:49] Speaker 2: Do you think that Fikile Mbalula's tears are genuine?
[20:52] Speaker 3: I think so. I think he's been through the most.
[20:55] Speaker 3: But lots of response from all of you.
[20:59] Speaker 1: What's up, Mandy? On 072-702-1702.
[21:04] Speaker 3: Hi, Mandy.
[21:06] Speaker 9: Mbaks is not crying because he is emotional or he's
[21:11] Speaker 9: not feeling well. Mbaks is crying because he nearly.
[21:16] Speaker 1: Lost his job.
[21:18] Speaker 9: I mean, imagine, Mendy, what would have happened if the
[21:22] Speaker 9: Constitutional Court had ruled otherwise.
[21:25] Speaker 3: Mbaks would have lost his job.
[21:27] Speaker 1: He knows that some.
[21:29] Speaker 14: Of his.
[21:31] Speaker 9: Enemies, if there are enemies in ANC, were going to
[21:35] Speaker 9: go for him. He was just going to lose his job,
[21:38] Speaker 9: and he was going to be a person on Kharata
[21:41] Speaker 9: and the worst Secretary General since the establishment of ANC.
[21:45] Speaker 5: So that's why he's crying. Thank you. Edwin here.
[21:48] Speaker 15: Hi, Mandy. I agree with the other caller. Let's not
[21:54] Speaker 15: sensationalize this or throw any sarcasm. Even the video clips
[22:00] Speaker 15: or the text messages you select, let them be balanced.
[22:04] Speaker 15: At the end of the day, the rule of law won.
[22:08] Speaker 12: Thank you.
[22:10] Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
[22:11] Speaker 2: I'd love to hear from you if you agree with
[22:12] Speaker 2: the Constitutional Court ruling. We are not being selective in
[22:15] Speaker 2: only choosing voice notes or messages that think that it
[22:19] Speaker 2: was a bad decision by the court. Please, I welcome
[22:24] Speaker 2: diversity of opinions. So please keep on sending those. Lots
[22:27] Speaker 2: of reaction there to Fakile Mbalula's response to the Constitutional
[22:31] Speaker 2: Court judgment. If you missed it earlier, breaking down in tears, collapsing,
[22:35] Speaker 2: saying he's not feeling well. I have some sympathy for him.
[22:38] Speaker 2: I think he's been under an enormous amount of strain.
[22:41] Speaker 2: I do think his job was probably at stake, but
[22:43] Speaker 2: we don't know what's wrong with the guy. So I
[22:45] Speaker 2: think we shouldn't be too hard on him. But I
[22:48] Speaker 2: think that just the stress of the situation shows what's
[22:51] Speaker 2: at stake for the ANC. Now, something that people maybe
[23:01] Speaker 2: aren't talking about enough is where people are getting their
[23:04] Speaker 2: peptides from or where they're getting their retitutride or whatever
[23:08] Speaker 2: it might be, your obesity drug. Pharmaceutical manufacturers urging law
[23:13] Speaker 2: enforcement agencies to crack down on the sale of illegal medicines,
[23:18] Speaker 2: saying that they need urgent action to protect consumers and
[23:21] Speaker 2: boost investor confidence.
[23:24] Speaker 3: Dr.
[23:24] Speaker 2: Stavros Nikolaou is the chair of the Pharmaceutical Task Group
[23:30] Speaker 2: and joins us now.
[23:31] Speaker 5: Dr.
[23:31] Speaker 3: Nikolaou, good afternoon to you. Thanks very much for your time.
[23:35] Speaker 12: Good afternoon, Mandy. Thanks very much for having me and
[23:38] Speaker 12: good afternoon to all that are listening in.
[23:40] Speaker 2: What is the concern of the Pharmaceutical Task Group regarding
[23:45] Speaker 2: the proliferation of these medications?
[23:49] Speaker 12: Mandy, firstly, I'd like to draw a distinction between What
[23:53] Speaker 12: we're referencing here is not your narcotics, which are century,
[24:00] Speaker 12: if not decade-old problems. So I'm not referencing heroin or
[24:04] Speaker 12: cocaine or mandrax or anything like that here. I'm referencing
[24:08] Speaker 12: something that is equally disturbing and also equally dangerous, and
[24:14] Speaker 12: that is unregistered medicines or medicines that are bought in
[24:20] Speaker 12: as counterfeit or fake medicines and appear to be registered
[24:24] Speaker 12: or appear to be legitimate. So there's a further distinction
[24:28] Speaker 12: I'm drawing there. There's instances where there are registered medicines
[24:32] Speaker 12: in South Africa and we are quite focused on the
[24:37] Speaker 12: weight loss drugs and the peptides for this conversation. We
[24:42] Speaker 12: are finding that registered medicines are being bought in illicitly,
[24:47] Speaker 12: meaning that They're from dubious sources, unknown sources, or worst
[24:51] Speaker 12: of all, from sources that are either non-compliant to GMP
[25:00] Speaker 12: standards or have no quality standard approvals. So it's a
[25:05] Speaker 12: combination of things. It's a growing problem. It seems to
[25:10] Speaker 12: have exacerbated with these GLP-1 vaccines. weight loss products, which
[25:16] Speaker 12: of course are understandably in high demand. And the risk
[25:21] Speaker 12: to patients and the public is immense. You referenced Reta-Trutide earlier.
[25:27] Speaker 12: I do want to focus on Reta-Trutide for a moment. Now,
[25:30] Speaker 12: Reta-Trutide is a medicine that is showing a lot of potential,
[25:36] Speaker 12: but it is still in experimental stage. In other words,
[25:40] Speaker 12: it's still undergoing clinical trials to determine quality, safety, efficacy
[25:46] Speaker 12: of the product. And it's absolutely astonishing. It's almost egregious,
[25:51] Speaker 12: I'd suggest, that before a medicine is proven or registered
[25:57] Speaker 12: anywhere in the world, we are already seeing copies of
[25:59] Speaker 12: that in our own country. And yesterday at this roundtable
[26:03] Speaker 12: we hosted, there was a report of two further deaths
[26:07] Speaker 12: on the counterfeits of Trutard. And these are alarming statistics.
[26:14] Speaker 12: And if left unarrested, the problem is going to grow
[26:18] Speaker 12: into a much bigger one. And the bigger one is
[26:21] Speaker 12: when you start losing the integrity of your pharmaceutical regulatory
[26:26] Speaker 12: and value chain, then you are in trouble as a country.
[26:29] Speaker 2: It does seem like there's been quite a proliferation. You
[26:32] Speaker 2: can get it at a few different doctors are selling it,
[26:35] Speaker 2: gyms seem to be selling it. So So how do
[26:38] Speaker 2: you crack down on that? Or is the problem the converse, Stavros,
[26:43] Speaker 2: that it's just taking too long for Reta True Tide
[26:46] Speaker 2: to get the requisite authorization in South Africa?
[26:53] Speaker 12: So let me start off with Reta True Tide again.
[26:56] Speaker 12: So Reta True Tide is still in clinical trials. It
[27:00] Speaker 12: hasn't been registered in any country in the world. Clinical trials,
[27:05] Speaker 12: have particular protocols to ensure safety for the public. And
[27:10] Speaker 12: it's not something that you can rush. You start rushing
[27:13] Speaker 12: and you're not going to get the desired quality, safety,
[27:17] Speaker 12: efficacy outcomes that you seek in the first instance. So
[27:22] Speaker 12: I've been in this industry for 40 years and for me,
[27:27] Speaker 12: it's unprecedented where you're getting medicines that are not registered
[27:32] Speaker 12: or still in clinical trial phases entering the market. And
[27:37] Speaker 12: that really holds significant harm potential, as I said earlier. Now,
[27:42] Speaker 12: let me cover another aspect that you raised. There are
[27:48] Speaker 12: two primary channels of illicit trade in these type of medicines.
[27:54] Speaker 12: The first is where products are entering the country illegally.
[27:59] Speaker 12: They're unregistered products. They're untested in many instances. And They
[28:04] Speaker 12: enter through our port, usually disguised as some or other
[28:12] Speaker 12: product like cat food. We've heard about cat food or
[28:16] Speaker 12: a vitamin. So it comes in under that guise but
[28:20] Speaker 12: is in fact a peptide or one of these fake
[28:24] Speaker 12: GLP-1 products. So that's the first source. The second source
[28:29] Speaker 12: is what we've encountered in the form of compounding. Now,
[28:33] Speaker 12: the first.
[28:35] Speaker 12: Illicit channel usually involves non-healthcare professionals. And these products land
[28:43] Speaker 12: up with hairdressers, gym instructors, beauty salons, etc. So that's
[28:50] Speaker 12: non-healthcare channels. Then you've got a phenomenon called compounding, which
[28:58] Speaker 12: is permissible in law on a patient and case-by-case basis.
[29:03] Speaker 12: So compounding means that a compounding pharmacy can compound its
[29:09] Speaker 12: own product on a selective basis on prescription for an
[29:14] Speaker 12: individual patient. And it's usually confined to dermatology where dermatologists
[29:19] Speaker 12: ask for three or four creams that don't exist in
[29:22] Speaker 12: one proprietary brand to be combined. And usually the pharmacy
[29:26] Speaker 12: will compound that, but there's been an abuse of compounding
[29:31] Speaker 12: now in that, um, Some of these compounding pharmacies that
[29:36] Speaker 12: are acting unlawfully, and the courts have proven that it
[29:39] Speaker 12: is unlawful. in recent times are producing these products on
[29:44] Speaker 12: mass scale and putting patients in jeopardy and this is
[29:49] Speaker 12: a more difficult thing to deal with because an unsuspecting
[29:53] Speaker 12: public thinks they are receiving this from a registered healthcare
[29:57] Speaker 12: professional So I guess in conclusion, two things need to
[30:01] Speaker 12: happen here, and two things came out very strongly yesterday.
[30:05] Speaker 12: There are certain slam-dunk cases, like selling an unregistered medicine
[30:09] Speaker 12: is illegal, whether it's a doctor, pharmacy, or a member
[30:12] Speaker 12: of the public that is selling it. It's illegal. That's
[30:16] Speaker 12: a slam-dunk case. Why are the enforcement agencies taking so
[30:20] Speaker 12: long to raid these facilities, make arrests, and prosecute accordingly.
[30:26] Speaker 12: So that's the first thing that's got to be accelerated.
[30:29] Speaker 12: And then the second thing is very much about educating
[30:32] Speaker 12: the public. So are they aware of this issue? And secondly,
[30:36] Speaker 12: to encourage the public to question where they're getting their
[30:40] Speaker 12: medicines from. And if they are getting dubious medicines or
[30:45] Speaker 12: medicines from dubious sources, then there is a website, on
[30:50] Speaker 12: the SAPRA website, there is a facility for patients and
[30:55] Speaker 12: or consumers to report these things.
[30:57] Speaker 5: Dr.
[30:57] Speaker 2: Stavros Nikolaou, thank you so much for speaking to us today.
[31:00] Speaker 2: The chairperson of the Pharmaceutical Task Group. Keep sending me
[31:10] Speaker 2: your WhatsApp voice notes, 072 702 1702.
[31:15] Speaker 3: 072 567 1567.
[31:16] Speaker 2: The Gauteng Executive Council held an extraordinary meeting to consider
[31:20] Speaker 2: key admin and service delivery matters. And key amongst those
[31:24] Speaker 2: is that they've approved a new board for the Gauteng
[31:27] Speaker 2: Liquor Board. They've also approved appointed a new Gauteng concessionaire
[31:32] Speaker 2: and welcomed Gauteng's hosting of the World Forum on Local
[31:35] Speaker 2: Economic Development. But I'm particularly interested in the Gauteng Liquor
[31:40] Speaker 2: Board and also the GTA Board being appointed. Elijah McClunger
[31:46] Speaker 2: is the Head of Commerce for the Gauteng Government.
[31:48] Speaker 3: Elijah, thank you very much for your time.
[31:50] Speaker 2: Tell us about the outcomes of this special Gauteng Executive Council.
[31:56] Speaker 14: Good afternoon, Mandy. Thank you so much for having us.
[31:59] Speaker 14: So the focus of yesterday's extraordinary EXCO meeting was really
[32:03] Speaker 14: to finalize the appointments of board members into the different
[32:08] Speaker 14: entities of the province, but also to officially welcome the
[32:13] Speaker 14: new concessionaire for the Howdrain Management Agency operations. As you know,
[32:21] Speaker 14: that There's a new operator now who will be handling the,
[32:25] Speaker 14: there's a new concessionaire who will be handling the operations
[32:28] Speaker 14: of the HAL train and we needed to make that
[32:31] Speaker 14: official and for EXCO to also confirm that. And also
[32:35] Speaker 14: to look at strengthening governance because when we confirm the
[32:40] Speaker 14: appointment of all the different persons, we're also strengthening governance
[32:44] Speaker 14: in the different entities as you will recall that we've
[32:47] Speaker 14: encountered some challenges but we're there to to deal with,
[32:51] Speaker 14: you remember, the MEC for Economic Development recently suspended some
[32:56] Speaker 14: officials in one of the entities that reported to her.
[33:01] Speaker 14: So we are now addressing all those governance issues.
[33:03] Speaker 2: There's been some real concerns about the management of the
[33:06] Speaker 2: Gateng Liquor Board.
[33:07] Speaker 3: Are you hoping that this will bring some stability?
[33:10] Speaker 14: Yeah, most importantly that one, because alcohol and related issues
[33:17] Speaker 14: have been coming up in the GPG issues that we've
[33:20] Speaker 14: been talking about. When the police raid some places, they
[33:25] Speaker 14: find that people are using fake liquor licenses. Others, they
[33:30] Speaker 14: get their liquor licenses through corrupt means. So all those
[33:34] Speaker 14: challenges were actually a matter for discussion yesterday. And the
[33:39] Speaker 14: Premier said the mandate of this board is to look
[33:42] Speaker 14: at how we're going to streamline the operations there and
[33:46] Speaker 14: deal with the corruption when it comes to liquor licenses
[33:50] Speaker 14: and also make sure that the liquor establishments comply with
[33:57] Speaker 14: the regulations that govern the use of such licenses. When
[34:00] Speaker 14: you look at issues such as the Werdela shooting, you
[34:03] Speaker 14: look at the time when the shooting took place and
[34:05] Speaker 14: when that establishment was still operational. So there are lots
[34:09] Speaker 14: of transgressions that the new board will need to look into.
[34:12] Speaker 3: Elijah, thank you so much.
[34:13] Speaker 2: Elijah Mkhlanga, spokesperson for the Khartoum government. It's a Thursday
[34:22] Speaker 2: and on Thursdays in the Midday Report, we speak to
[34:24] Speaker 2: the author of a local nonfiction book. And today's book
[34:28] Speaker 2: is called AI, Humanity's Greatest Frenemy. And it looks at
[34:32] Speaker 2: the fact that AI is neither simply good nor bad,
[34:35] Speaker 2: but a technology capable of empowering and harming us at
[34:38] Speaker 2: the same time. And the book is from the author
[34:41] Speaker 2: and digital futurist, Nikki Verde, in which she describes artificial
[34:46] Speaker 2: intelligence as something far more complicated, a technology that can
[34:49] Speaker 2: empower us and undermine us at exactly the same time. Nikki,
[34:53] Speaker 2: good afternoon to you, and thank you so much for
[34:54] Speaker 2: joining us.
[34:56] Speaker 5: Good afternoon. Thank you.
[34:58] Speaker 2: You call AI humanity's greatest frenemy. What is that word
[35:02] Speaker 2: capture about artificial intelligence that descriptions like revolution or threat
[35:07] Speaker 2: or opportunity don't?
[35:10] Speaker 5: It is both of those things. That's why I call
[35:12] Speaker 5: it a frenemy. Because right now the world is sort
[35:15] Speaker 5: of divided into two camps. On one camp, there are
[35:19] Speaker 5: those people that hate AI. They don't want anything to
[35:22] Speaker 5: do with AI. They want us to unplug it right away.
[35:25] Speaker 5: And then on the other camp, there are those that
[35:27] Speaker 5: celebrate AI so much that they cannot even imagine life
[35:32] Speaker 5: without AI. So these are two camps of people. And
[35:36] Speaker 5: so I wanted to... bring the word frenemy so that
[35:41] Speaker 5: they can understand that if you are too excited about AI,
[35:44] Speaker 5: you can be blindsided by the dark side. And if
[35:48] Speaker 5: you are so afraid of AI, you also miss out
[35:51] Speaker 5: on the opportunity. So let's rather see it as a
[35:53] Speaker 5: frenemy rather than see it only as an enemy or
[35:57] Speaker 5: as a friend. That is the essence of the frenemy.
[36:00] Speaker 2: You argue that we need to get beyond the binary
[36:03] Speaker 2: debate about whether AI is good or bad. What do
[36:06] Speaker 2: you think people fundamentally misunderstand about the technology right now?
[36:11] Speaker 5: Absolutely. We really need to get off the binary, narrow
[36:16] Speaker 5: mindset of the technology itself, because it is the same
[36:20] Speaker 5: with everything, right? If you look at, for example, when
[36:23] Speaker 5: the car was invented, it didn't have a seatbelt. Initially,
[36:29] Speaker 5: it is when it was. release to the public or
[36:32] Speaker 5: to the market that they realize, oh, okay, this thing
[36:34] Speaker 5: can actually kill people faster if there's no seatbelt. And
[36:37] Speaker 5: then as time went on, they realized, okay, if we
[36:40] Speaker 5: could put in an airbag, the number of fatalities could.
[36:44] Speaker 12: Reduce, right?
[36:45] Speaker 5: So I believe it's the same with artificial intelligence. And
[36:49] Speaker 5: many people are afraid, but also misunderstanding the fact that
[36:52] Speaker 5: this is a new technology, and humanity is still figuring
[36:55] Speaker 5: out how to put guardrails around this technology. So I
[37:00] Speaker 5: always give that example of a car that when it started,
[37:03] Speaker 5: it is not what it is now. Now cars have
[37:05] Speaker 5: all these fancy things that haven't completely eliminated accidents, but
[37:11] Speaker 5: there has been so much progress in that regard.
[37:14] Speaker 2: One of the most provocative ideas that you raise in
[37:16] Speaker 2: the book is the danger of what you call AI-induced stupidity.
[37:22] Speaker 3: I love that.
[37:23] Speaker 2: Are we at risk of becoming less intelligent because machines
[37:25] Speaker 2: are becoming more intelligent?
[37:28] Speaker 15: Absolutely.
[37:28] Speaker 5: There are those people too. But I call it AI-induced stupidity.
[37:34] Speaker 5: And on the other hand, there's also an argument where
[37:38] Speaker 5: I vindicate AI. I feel like, okay, AI is not
[37:40] Speaker 5: totally to be blamed for this because a person who
[37:43] Speaker 5: has always been lazy to dig deeper, AI is just
[37:46] Speaker 5: going to amplify that, right? And a person who has
[37:49] Speaker 5: always been a deep thinker, AI is not going to
[37:51] Speaker 5: take that away from them. Remember, AI is a tool
[37:54] Speaker 5: that amplifies whatever already exists in us. So if you've
[37:58] Speaker 5: always been that person who is very meticulous in how
[38:00] Speaker 5: you do things, very deep thinker, you want your ideas
[38:06] Speaker 5: to be expanded, AI can help you amplify that. But
[38:09] Speaker 5: for those that have always been people that are very
[38:12] Speaker 5: lazy in how they approach things, they do things on
[38:15] Speaker 5: a surface level, AI is also going to amplify that
[38:21] Speaker 5: level of laziness. And the thing with AI is that
[38:24] Speaker 5: once it amplifies your laziness, It is so polished that
[38:28] Speaker 5: you think that you are so brilliant, but you are not. Hence,
[38:31] Speaker 5: I call it air-induced stupidity.
[38:34] Speaker 2: You also write about truth and reality at a time
[38:37] Speaker 2: when AI can generate these extraordinarily convincing fake images and
[38:42] Speaker 2: voices and video. So we don't know what to believe,
[38:46] Speaker 2: and if seeing is believing no longer works, how do
[38:48] Speaker 2: we navigate this world where we really can't trust our
[38:52] Speaker 2: own eyes or ears?
[38:53] Speaker 5: Absolutely. I love that. I had a session with the
[38:57] Speaker 5: RM team two days ago and we were talking about
[39:00] Speaker 5: risk management in financial institutions, right? And this is one
[39:03] Speaker 5: of the things that I highlighted, talking about seeing is
[39:07] Speaker 5: no longer believing. In the past, when you saw something,
[39:09] Speaker 5: it meant it happened. But in this age and time,
[39:13] Speaker 5: you can rely entirely on what you saw because it
[39:16] Speaker 5: could be air-generated. Evidence can now be air-generated. People are
[39:20] Speaker 5: generating also things on the internet. It's real, but It
[39:24] Speaker 5: is really not real. How do we navigate this? It's
[39:28] Speaker 5: a slippery slope, to be honest. It's going to be tough.
[39:31] Speaker 5: I don't even think the world is ready for what
[39:32] Speaker 5: is coming. But in the book, I have given some
[39:35] Speaker 5: high ways in which we can navigate this. One of
[39:39] Speaker 5: the things that I like is be skeptical. You know,
[39:42] Speaker 5: in the past, there were people that they're always doubting
[39:44] Speaker 5: and always very skeptical of things. And we looked at them,
[39:47] Speaker 5: why are you always doubting, right? That is a skill.
[39:52] Speaker 5: You take nothing at face value. That is how we're
[39:55] Speaker 5: going to navigate the world in which we are already
[39:58] Speaker 5: entering right now. Take nothing at face value. If someone
[40:02] Speaker 5: is calling you, be sure that the person calling you,
[40:05] Speaker 5: if your husband is calling you, double-check that it is
[40:08] Speaker 5: really a husband. If your wife is calling you, double-check
[40:11] Speaker 5: that it is really a wife. Your family, maybe it's
[40:13] Speaker 5: your mom, your dad. double-check everything. And I believe, and
[40:17] Speaker 5: I've also read the book, that people should have some
[40:19] Speaker 5: sort of a safe word or a code, you know,
[40:22] Speaker 5: to verify the situation, especially in emergency cases, because now
[40:26] Speaker 5: criminals can call you and sound like your family member,
[40:29] Speaker 5: can sound like your husband or your wife, but it
[40:31] Speaker 5: is all air-generated, right? So you can have some sort
[40:34] Speaker 5: of family code or any institution, some sort of code
[40:37] Speaker 5: to verify it when it comes with something. And you
[40:40] Speaker 5: see at the market, what's the code? If they cannot
[40:42] Speaker 5: generate the code, It means they don't know who you
[40:47] Speaker 5: think they are. Even though there are times where maybe
[40:50] Speaker 5: the code can also be fixed. But for now, we
[40:54] Speaker 5: are entering a world where we have more questions than answers.
[40:58] Speaker 5: But there are ways in which we can just rely
[41:01] Speaker 5: on common sense and pause and slow down. Not everything
[41:05] Speaker 5: has to be done immediately. In spite of the urgency
[41:09] Speaker 5: in which the other person on the end of the
[41:11] Speaker 5: line is pushing, just slow down and ask, is this
[41:14] Speaker 5: still normal? Is this real? Who can I verify this
[41:16] Speaker 5: with before you authorize, especially when it comes to financial stuff, right,
[41:21] Speaker 5: before you authorize any transaction? Just pause and think. So
[41:25] Speaker 5: at the end of the day, AI is very intelligent,
[41:27] Speaker 5: but some of the things that we save us with
[41:29] Speaker 5: just basic common sense, to be honest.
[41:31] Speaker 3: Nikki, thank you so much.
[41:32] Speaker 2: Nikki Bird is the author of AI, Humanity's Greatest Frenemy,
[41:38] Speaker 2: in which.
[41:38] Speaker 3: She's arguing it's here, it's here to stay.
[41:40] Speaker 2: It's neither good nor bad, but rather, how do we
[41:44] Speaker 2: harness this extraordinary potential without surrendering the very qualities that
[41:48] Speaker 2: make us human? And that's it. AI is very much
[41:52] Speaker 2: a reality.
[41:53] Speaker 1: The Midday Report.
[41:56] Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much for joining us.
[41:57] Speaker 2: I think there's going to be plenty of reaction to
[42:00] Speaker 2: this constitutional court judgment regarding the ANC. We're already seeing
[42:04] Speaker 2: so much of it.
[42:06] Speaker 3: We hope he's well. We hope he's well. I think
[42:10] Speaker 3: that he said he wasn't well. He collapsed.
[42:13] Speaker 2: But I think an enormous amount of stress that he's
[42:15] Speaker 2: been under. I'm sure an enormous amount of relief. And
[42:18] Speaker 2: I imagine people will continue to speak about that throughout
[42:21] Speaker 2: the afternoon.

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