# The End of Human Driving? with Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi | On With Kara Swisher

An episode of [Pivot](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1073226719), 20 Dec 2025, 47 min.

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We're bringing you a special episode of On With Kara Swisher! Kara sits down with Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi to dig into how applied artificial intelligence works at scale. At Uber, AI powers everything from pricing, routing, and customer service to autonomous vehicles and sidewalk robots that deliver food. It has partnered with more than 20 autonomous vehicle manufacturers, and it’s moving aggressively into robotaxis. And although it may take many decades, Khosrowshahi believes society may eventually decide humans aren’t safe enough to be trusted behind the wheel. Kara and Dara discuss what this all means for jobs, congestion, climate and Uber’s business model. This conversation was recorded live at the Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg Center as part of its Discovery Series on artificial intelligence. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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