# Elon’s Politics Detox, the “Big, Beautiful” Bill's Next Phase, and Open AI's Big Bet

An episode of [Pivot](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1073226719), 23 May 2025, 1 h 16 min.

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Kara and Scott discuss Elon Musk’s plans to significantly reduce political spending, and his defensiveness around DOGE. They also talk about reactions to Joe Biden's cancer announcement, and have choice words about the “big, beautiful” tax bill's advance. Plus, iPhone designer Jony Ive joins OpenAI, Google announces the roll out of AI Mode, and Democrats still want their Joe Rogan. Follow us on Instagram and Threads at @pivotpodcastofficial. Follow us on Bluesky at @pivotpod.bsky.social. Follow us on TikTok at @pivotpodcast. Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at nymag.com/pivot. Help us plan for the future of Pivot by filling out a brief survey: voxmedia.com/survey. Thank you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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