# Pete Hegseth and the Surreal World of the Civ-Mil Divide With Phil Klay

An episode of [Angry Planet](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1023774600), 20 Jan 2025, 57 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/acast/s/warcollege/e/678ad4f45dd9c67f1761e1a3/media.mp3

Listen to this episode commercial free at https://angryplanetpod.com Between the idea and the reality falls the shadow. Marine Corps veteran J.D. Vance will soon be vice president. Pete Hegseth, a man with a Crusader Kings tattoo who doesn’t want women to serve in combat roles, is probably going to be confirmed as secretary of defense. Over New Years, two members of the U.S. military committed domestic terror attacks. Today on Angry Planet we get into the highs and lows of the American military with Marine Corps vet and author Phil Klay. • What are the limits of amoral pragmatism? • “Most troops are opposed to murder.” • A rant about Crusader Kings. • Vance’s view. • Trump, Hegseth and the Honor of the American Military • Asking Pete Hegseth how many pushups he can do during a confirmation hearing • The Cult of ‘Sicario’ • Anguish and Anger From the Navy SEALs Who Turned In Edward Gallagher • Sen. Ted Cruz insulted a ‘woke, emasculated’ U.S. Army ad. Angry veterans fired back. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/warcollege. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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