# Michael (Teaser)

An episode of [Black Men Can't Jump \[In Hollywood\]](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1023264209), 30 Apr 2026, 12 min.

Audio: https://audio3.redcircle.com/episodes/781ce17c-0661-438e-b210-aaf3c3f4780e/stream.mp3

This week, James, Jerah, and Jon are covering Michael, directed by Antoine Fuqua, written by John Logan, starring Jaafar Jackson, Nia Long, Juliano Valdi, KeiLyn Durrel Jones, Laura Harrier, Jessica Sula, Mike Meyers, Miles Teller, and Colman Domingo. Together, they discuss the film’s rough critical reception, its glowing audience reception, what’s going on with Bray’s mic…hael, and much, much more! Listen to the full episode on Patreon or Red Circle's Exclusive Feed! SUBSCRIBE FOR EXCLUSIVE CONTENT AND OUR FULL BACK CATALOG OF 400+ EPISODES: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/7655b7ec-dc57-47c9-ab96-1a8fa02f6573/exclusive-content JOIN OUR PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/BMCJ FOLLOW BLACK MEN CAN'T JUMP \[IN HOLLYWOOD\]: https://www.threads.com/@blackmenpodcast https://www.instagram.com/blackmenpodcast BUY BLACK MEN CAN'T JUMP \[IN HOLLYWOOD\] MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/black-men-can-t-jump-in-hollywood Produced by Skyler Hanrath Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/black-men-cant-jump-in-hollywood/exclusive-content Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

## Transcript

[0:07] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Welcome to black men can't jump on Patreon.
[0:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Hey, drill, I'm sitting.
[0:13] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm gonna wait at it, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
[0:36] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Uh, I mean, I mean, it's so funny because it's like, it's like, how do you even decide what's song to start on you know, but I think that worked.
[0:48] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I worked.
[0:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Sorry, we're not not gonna talk about yeah, but yeah, go ahead.
[0:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's the one to start off.
[0:54] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, it is kind of it's kind of I'd love you want to be Starting something turns out exactly.
[0:59] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So you got to be starting some yeah, yeah, I'm excited.
[1:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, you know You got to get over.
[1:04] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Sorry.
[1:04] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I just had to I just have to adjust my mic.
[1:06] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Cool
[1:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Wow, frustrating, what?
[1:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What?
[1:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Frustrating.
[1:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Why didn't you hear the name in a sentence?
[1:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What's that like?
[1:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh no, why didn't you say the name in my hat to?
[1:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Well, I was just adjusting the mic.
[1:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, you know, in a word, frustrating.
[1:25] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Sort of, it's my review.
[1:28] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I mean, I could have, there's so many different ways in, but I don't know, I felt like that was a,
[1:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, well, it's the only way to trick us because we were talking about because I was a man.
[1:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So the only way you know James you know that was a wow.
[1:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You sat niggas it y'all sound like the critics like this film.
[1:50] \[SPEAKER_02\]: That niggas is not like for those of you wait a minute.
[1:54] \[SPEAKER_02\]: What am I saying?
[1:55] \[SPEAKER_02\]: You all you all know who we are.
[1:56] \[SPEAKER_02\]: This is some people are listening to the free preview and for for you guys.
[2:01] \[SPEAKER_02\]: We are a film review podcast.
[2:03] \[SPEAKER_02\]: We review the films of leading black actors.
[2:06] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Man, pay for the subscription.
[2:08] \[SPEAKER_02\]: We talk about them in the context of the bird.
[2:10] \[SPEAKER_02\]: We need that.
[2:12] \[SPEAKER_02\]: In Hollywood.
[2:14] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So you can write my mouth out.
[2:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, it's all good.
[2:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You listen for free.
[2:17] \[SPEAKER_02\]: No, yeah, because we need to stay, so we need to stay, you know, well, yeah, but I mean, you know, I just just just so they get a little taste of who we are.
[2:26] \[SPEAKER_02\]: There are three of us who host this, the voice you're listening to right now.
[2:29] \[SPEAKER_02\]: The whole meal that I'm not going to lie a little bit of me definitely died inside when I realized that I will not be portraying ever Michael Jackson in a movie.
[2:42] \[SPEAKER_02\]: You know, I just, there are some things that you're like, oh, maybe maybe you know when you're a young when you're a young actor and you're like, hey, and people are like, oh, you could be, you know, and there's a couple of biopics that you think about like, yeah, maybe, and that was a great time.
[3:07] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Honestly, okay, there's a period of time.
[3:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[3:11] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, that's not too far off, you know.
[3:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, I can see that.
[3:14] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I can see that I have one of them.
[3:16] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I have one of the noses.
[3:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: True that.
[3:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What?
[3:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What?
[3:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Why do you say Michael?
[3:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Why do you come and Michael like that?
[3:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I need to do this.
[3:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, I.
[3:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm sorry.
[3:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You came to my house.
[3:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm sorry.
[3:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You came to my house.
[3:40] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:42] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm not.
[3:42] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm sorry.
[3:42] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:42] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:44] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm sorry.
[3:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You came to my house.
[3:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You came to my house.
[3:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:52] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:53] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:54] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:56] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:57] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:58] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:58] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[3:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[4:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[4:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm not trying to cook.
[4:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, I think I got, I got the original nose.
[4:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[4:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't like this kind of thing.
[4:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's not the nose at all.
[4:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm trying to, I'm not going to entertain this.
[4:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: People can't see us.
[4:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: People can't see us.
[4:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, so that's the thing they need to do.
[4:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, we're just going to think that we need to make sure we highlight is we got anything relative to the nose.
[4:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was like, I'm like, I'm like the before Mike, you know what I'm saying?
[4:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Bray is middle Mike and there's like another Mike, you know?
[4:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Somebody who has played young me in something has been MJ on Broadway several times.
[4:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Wait, really?
[4:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yes.
[4:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, wow, that's amazing.
[4:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And so I mean, somewhere in our shared DNA is also like a young Michael Jackson somewhere in there.
[4:50] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And as you know, we are reviewing the film Michael that just came out this past weekend obviously a biopic of the early life early the half I believe that's how they describe it that's the only time they ever they ever dramatized that's the only time if you look back on all I mean I don't remember to flex I didn't watch the flex one that probably went a little bit farther
[5:18] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Also like I mean I think like the bohemian rhapsody it went pretty much all the way where I guess it didn't go No necessarily right to his death, but it it went to come back it went to the comeback and also He did get AIDS in the in the movie
[5:33] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Right.
[5:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[5:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[5:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think also with this one, I think they also wanted a two-parter.
[5:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like it was written as a supposed to be two movies.
[5:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Whoa.
[5:41] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah.
[5:41] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Wait.
[5:41] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And yeah.
[5:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It wasn't supposed to be two movies.
[5:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It was always supposed to be two.
[5:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Right.
[5:46] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And it is clear that at the end of the movie, they had like a little bit of like history continues.
[5:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They did it in a Marvel thing.
[5:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[5:54] \[SPEAKER_02\]: It's truly what's a Marvel thing.
[5:55] \[SPEAKER_02\]: It was like, okay.
[5:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I read that way at all, but I get it now.
[6:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, okay.
[6:01] \[SPEAKER_02\]: That's how I was reading it.
[6:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It is, but that's supposed to be enough.
[6:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And we were supposed to be, yeah, got it.
[6:06] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, because there's a part of you that I guess you can read that.
[6:09] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And you go, I know, I don't need to, you don't need to remind me.
[6:14] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I don't want to hear about the continuation of this man.
[6:17] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Now, uh, look, uh, uh,
[6:21] \[SPEAKER_02\]: There were there's a lot of controversy surrounding this film obviously many many many different ways dronos all about that I am going to talk about the rotten tomato score because the critics released They're reviews this is one of those movies because sometimes movies think they know they're going to get bad reviews and so they don't they kind of put them I forgot what you call it.
[6:42] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Uh, but they don't allow critics to like talk about embargo on it, uh, but they this at early abuse.
[6:49] \[SPEAKER_02\]: This before the movie came out.
[6:50] \[SPEAKER_02\]: They were like, yeah, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead
[7:11] \[SPEAKER_02\]: OK, so every critic was like, I want to say my piece.
[7:15] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And the vast majority of them were like, we hate this.
[7:19] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And it is hate, remember, because they're rotten tomato score.
[7:21] \[SPEAKER_02\]: It's only rotten if you just didn't.
[7:24] \[SPEAKER_02\]: You can write, if you're all like, hey, it's three out of five stars.
[7:27] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I believe that's still considered fresh.
[7:29] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But if you have to really not like it to be Ryan, most he would really didn't like it.
[7:34] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Guess what the popcorn meter is, the audience score.
[7:36] \[SPEAKER_02\]: 90, 90, 92, 92, 97.
[7:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: 97, damn.
[7:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And the thing is, as far as my understanding of Michael Jackson, that's been his entire, that's been his entire career that of my relationship.
[7:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Right.
[7:55] \[SPEAKER_02\]: It's like it's always been like, mostly of our life.
[7:58] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah.
[7:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yes.
[7:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Everyone hates them, except the fans who love it.
[8:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like it's like, yeah.
[8:03] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And the fans are awesome.
[8:04] \[SPEAKER_02\]: The world.
[8:06] \[SPEAKER_02\]: The fans are most people, but yeah, okay, so 97% audience score this movie.
[8:13] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Did you see I showed you're already, but did you see how much it made James?
[8:18] \[SPEAKER_02\]: like 217.
[8:18] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yes, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 217, 21
[8:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He thought it was going to be bohemian.
[8:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just think no one thought it was going to make like 90 million in America.
[8:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think they were just like, damn, isn't that where it makes 90 million more overseas?
[8:50] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, yeah.
[8:51] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, maybe more overseas.
[8:52] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, the reported budget is somewhere between 165 to 200 million.
[8:56] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But I think it's fair to say that this movie will definitely be a box office hit.
[9:03] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah.
[9:04] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And it's it's stars to far Jackson who is who is related to Michael Jackson.
[9:10] \[SPEAKER_02\]: He is his nephew.
[9:12] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And nephew is the son of German Jackson.
[9:18] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Of course of of the Jackson five.
[9:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Which I don't think that was the Jackson that was closest to Michael.
[9:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think wasn't Michael closest to him.
[9:27] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, I wouldn't think so, because your main was the one who left the Jackson five left.
[9:32] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, it was like, I've always felt weird about your main.
[9:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I've always had about like a weird, like it's like, oh, why I feel like he's predatory in a way.
[9:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like of of the of the name, not like in the like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not like, not
[9:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: not in any sort of got to get you know that mean in terms of the name like like it always felt like a lot of the later stuff It always felt like that was like him trying to juice the fresh the cannot
[10:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, well, we should get, we will get to that because again, some of the controversy is that the people who are in charge of this movie are Germain and the lawyer.
[10:12] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, I see.
[10:13] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I see.
[10:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And people are like, why does the lawyer have so much screen time in this movie?
[10:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And it's like, oh, he is an EP and also one of the heads of the, what do you call it?
[10:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The people who control the state, like he's one of the, oh, really?
[10:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: One of the people who controls my voice.
[10:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, whatever, yeah, whatever that means.
[10:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But yeah, he's one of them.
[10:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, that makes a lot of sense.
[10:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I played your main Jackson in a celebrity ghost story.
[10:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: San again.
[10:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I remember celebrity ghost stories.
[10:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I do.
[10:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That was really fun.
[10:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I played your name.
[10:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You told her.
[10:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, wait.
[10:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Celebrity ghost stories.
[10:48] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah.
[10:48] \[SPEAKER_02\]: No, but you don't need to look that up right now.
[10:50] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, no.
[10:50] \[SPEAKER_02\]: That was the sidebar.
[10:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That was the sidebar for that was the Dave Ebert thing.
[10:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No, celebrity go under it was like, it was like, no, you're thinking of, yeah, that yeah, that was a good show, thank you for show.
[11:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But no, celebrity go stories was like, like some you might see on like TLC or Discovery channel where
[11:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We're like people do their unsolved mysteries type stuff and it's like your main Jax and saw some ghosts It's also go and so I was him in the reenactments.
[11:25] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Oh in the reenactment.
[11:26] \[SPEAKER_02\]: That's funny.
[11:27] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Oh wow.
[11:28] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Okay Any other lead up to This that we want to talk about now or should we just get into initial thought Let's get into
[11:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, can't jump.

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