# Backrooms w/ Skyler Higley

An episode of [Black Men Can't Jump \[In Hollywood\]](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1023264209), 11 Jun 2026, 1 h 30 min.

Audio: https://audio3.redcircle.com/episodes/ed0360e6-a9fb-4b11-9d30-b61735c3e2e2/stream.mp3

This week, James, Jerah, and Jon are joined by comedian and writer Skyler Higley (The Onion, The Oscars) to cover Backrooms, directed by Kane Parsons, written by Will Soodik, starring Chiwetel Ejiofor, Renate Reinsve, Mark Duplass, Finn Bennett, and Lucite Maxwell. Together, they discuss their understanding of creepypasta, the film’s wild financial performance, what's actually going on with therapy, Reddit lore, the one-two horror punch of Backrooms and Obsession at the box office, and much, much more! Get in-person or live stream tickets for Skyler's 06/19 show at DSP Studios in Los Angeles here: https://www.dspstudio.la/calendar-backend/hhnf3ayye57fgj4k27j3zfkk2r2w4z SUBSCRIBE FOR EXCLUSIVE CONTENT AND OUR FULL BACK CATALOG OF 400+ EPISODES: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/7655b7ec-dc57-47c9-ab96-1a8fa02f6573/exclusive-content JOIN OUR PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/BMCJ FOLLOW BLACK MEN CAN'T JUMP \[IN HOLLYWOOD\]: https://www.threads.com/@blackmenpodcast https://www.instagram.com/blackmenpodcast BUY BLACK MEN CAN'T JUMP \[IN HOLLYWOOD\] MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/black-men-can-t-jump-in-hollywood Produced by Skyler Hanrath Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/black-men-cant-jump-in-hollywood/exclusive-content Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

## Transcript

[0:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We need to start the actual podcast, which you wanted to break you want to talk about being stuck in a game on this and leave the most the most unrealistic thing about this movie Is that dead nigga and explore nothing?
[0:19] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Okay, because I'm not going this morning.
[0:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh yellow room.
[0:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You going down to a yellow room Thank you for saying that we started Unreleased did start y'all don't have an intro y'all
[0:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What do you want me to do?
[0:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What do you want me to do?
[0:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What do you want me to do?
[0:39] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Oh my god.
[0:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Scallot is staying.
[0:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Scallot is staying.
[0:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm here.
[0:44] \[SPEAKER_02\]: No, I'm here.
[0:46] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Scallot said this.
[0:48] \[SPEAKER_02\]: We're in the recess that you were already to the back.
[0:50] \[SPEAKER_02\]: What do you want me to do?
[0:52] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's what's happening.
[0:53] \[SPEAKER_03\]: All ready.
[0:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What?
[0:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We got to get to the beginning part of the movie.
[0:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We're in the furniture store.
[0:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You'll get the furniture store.
[1:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You're straight in the back.
[1:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You'll get everything.
[1:02] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Let's get.
[1:03] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We're supposed to we're supposed to like talk about Remember growing up with the 90s and like we have video can't quarter No, no, you know, no, I had a camcorder.
[1:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I learned what a camcorder was when Niggas had mini dv's I was that broke.
[1:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay.
[1:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was behind so I had it.
[1:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I had it.
[1:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: All right, everybody got these family videos.
[1:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We ain't had a shit We talked about brave how we saw
[1:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm waiting for the podcast to officially start.
[1:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I don't know if we officially start.
[1:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Let's go.
[1:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: How many minutes we in?
[1:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We've seen this 24 seconds.
[1:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Scott, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[1:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, Bray, we got to start the right way.
[1:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You just can't skip to it.
[1:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You can't just get to it.
[1:49] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And it's okay.
[1:50] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Actually, it's okay.
[1:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: No, it's just because it was happening as we were lost in the back rooms.
[1:54] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So that's the, I think that's a great transition actually.
[1:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, man, you, you, you set up that we need to start the right way with the, no, no, no.
[2:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We need to start is the show.
[2:03] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Let's start the show.
[2:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, I don't think I'll very smooth.
[2:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, can't jump.
[2:20] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[2:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Um, for those of you who are listening for the first time welcome, uh, we are a film review podcast.
[3:05] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We review the films of leading black actors.
[3:07] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Tell them, right?
[3:08] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We talk about it in the in the in the context of diverse, of diversity and race in Hollywood.
[3:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Woo, and, uh, there are three of us who host this podcast voice you're listening to.
[3:18] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Now, uh, would actually explore some back rooms until they realized that something else was there.
[3:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then they would be out.
[3:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I would explore it first.
[3:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: How do you, okay?
[3:28] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That voice is jobbed in very line.
[3:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Respectfully, I know what half of you is exploring that.
[3:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: How do you like the room with the wall?
[3:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Half of her brain is like, I want to find that floor.
[3:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He's like, I can decorate this.
[3:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is the best.
[3:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is nice.
[3:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, it's the right now.
[3:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is like... That's good, that's good.
[3:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, my goodness.
[3:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This voice that is not going through that wall is Doromilian.
[3:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And this voice is James the third and we have a very special guest with a way break you just on the dark right you just don't start bro I got a pair you read let me know when you read he breathe I was ready I'll get my fault okay okay I'm gonna start the drums break okay okay okay Skyler highly everyone welcome
[4:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Guess what is Higley it's hard G you fucked it up you fucked it up.
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[4:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm gonna be it's hard First off this podcast is starting so intense.
[4:37] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We're gonna be that is so not
[4:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Okay, this is, no, this is truly, I can see you have a very organized podcast here.
[4:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There you go.
[4:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's not what you're doing.
[4:48] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And this is, this is why, this is why our, our listener, our listenership is in the millions.
[4:56] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Let's say, Skyler said every nominated comedian a writer for the onion, Conan, after midnight.
[5:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay, and most recently, the Oscars.
[5:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, they know.
[5:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Hey, no.
[5:07] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He was just for last new faces in 2022.
[5:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Oh, man, they really, they really sent you the whole day.
[5:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Oh, damn, dog, he's part of a part of a fultures.
[5:17] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Committees just should know you got everything up in here.
[5:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And you also, the host of a brand new podcast called Help Me Be Black.
[5:25] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yes, help me be black.
[5:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't like your podcast.
[5:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[5:29] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And I would need to listen to that.
[5:31] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Okay.
[5:31] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You get, look, a lot of special.
[5:33] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You explore a nigger.
[5:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We're definitely exploring.
[5:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I had something recently come up to me.
[5:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it was like, you need more real niggers on there.
[5:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I was like, oh, okay.
[5:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So I'm still, I'm still early phases, I guess.
[5:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I still haven't quite got there yet.
[5:51] \[SPEAKER_02\]: You were asking the wrong people.
[5:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, so real Niggas damn.
[5:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I know.
[5:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I was like, well, everybody, they're fine, but I know what you mean.
[6:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I need truly, you know, the entire spectrum of blackness and we're getting there.
[6:07] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Okay, I love that.
[6:09] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Well, today we are reviewing the film Backrooms.
[6:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: This is a,
[6:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: a based off of a short film or web series of short films series series.
[6:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, it's weird.
[6:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's a series of short films based off, uh, what did they call it?
[6:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Pasta, um, Oh, crap.
[6:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Scalot, uh, Pasta scala.
[6:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Preppy pasta.
[6:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That could be called a creepy pasta.
[6:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Creepy pasta.
[6:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I went down the whole rabbit.
[6:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I went down the whole rabbit hole the back room.
[6:39] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Did you watch them?
[6:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I watched all of Kane's videos and I watched some breakdowns of, because his, okay, his back rooms are different than what some of the others are.
[6:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like he has his own lore.
[6:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's why I watched the ones to try to figure out what's what, but all of them have the same thing as like you glitch into it, or whatever they call it, clip into it and then it's 400 levels or more that you can explore with their feet.
[7:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, so the original has been debated.
[7:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like some people say the photo came out in 2019.
[7:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Some people say the photo came out in 2013.
[7:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But in theory, in 2019, this photo appeared on Reddit.
[7:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then because based on that photo, like someone put like a little lore, and then people just started adding to the lore of what the backgrounds are.
[7:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Kane came and made his own version of that adding, adding the corporation into it and that kind of stuff.
[7:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But would see the first person to do videos of it?
[7:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: No.
[7:37] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Other people to videos.
[7:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He just had popular videos.
[7:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He just got them out.
[7:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay.
[7:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He just got them out.
[7:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He just got them out.
[7:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He just got them out.
[7:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He just got them out.
[7:42] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He just got them out.
[7:42] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He just got them out.
[7:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He just got them out.
[7:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He just got them out.
[7:44] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They definitely credit him as like, this is his series.
[7:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, no, I think he made, I don't want to say he made it popular.
[7:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't want to say that, but I will say that his videos are the ones that like,
[7:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: had the millions of views.
[7:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I don't know what that means exactly because it wasn't the only one.
[8:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I thought I was watching the original backrooms.
[8:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Turns out it was just trapped in the closet.
[8:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know if it's like a god bless.
[8:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So, yeah, I can't.
[8:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Cane Parsons is his name, though the screenplay is written by Will, Sudick, I guess is how you pronounce it.
[8:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Can we just say before like anything else, you tell me somebody's name is Cane Parsons?
[8:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I would have thought that was a black man.
[8:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, 100%.
[8:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Cane Parsons.
[8:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[8:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's cool.
[8:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: His interviews are very like interesting because this, uh,
[8:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This kid shows almost no emotion like he was on, um, he was on the town and he is now the youngest director ever to make a hundred million dollars like there's no one's close to him and he just doesn't care like it's just like sure nobody in a way of like even him and, um, um, was it Corey was the guy's name from obsession like all of them are so cool with
[9:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: YouTube that is fascinating, we're like, yes, they made these movies, yes, these movies like are doing really well in theaters, but both of them were like, yeah, this could have been on YouTube.
[9:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, King was doing YouTube videos while filming this.
[9:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, he was still doing them up until like March a last year, like he just kept doing it.
[9:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, that's what you do.
[9:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So yeah, I'm just fascinated by these kids just you just made me like both of them last great Why can they don't care?
[9:28] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Why yeah, I don't that doesn't that they hate that Oh, man, I like it.
[9:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's like they just make it for the make it, you know
[9:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Sure.
[9:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Whatever.
[9:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: No, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you
[9:53] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Okay, but like you know also has millions of followers like cat videos and like babies pooping so like what are we talking about like millions of followers on social media doesn't mean anything like that's the thing to me that doesn't really mean much like it's a huge thing to get a bunch of people to get out of their homes and go to a theater to see your movies so like I don't know why you wouldn't care about that like hitting a cultural touchstone is so much to me means so much more than like
[10:22] \[SPEAKER_03\]: video going viral.
[10:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Do you think they actually don't care about it though?
[10:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's what I'm saying.
[10:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't know if they don't.
[10:28] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And yeah, are you saying they're unfazed?
[10:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think they probably care about.
[10:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think it's a different generation.
[10:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think like,
[10:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We at least asked me for myself.
[10:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I grew up on a thing where like I went to the theater, making it in the movies with so important.
[10:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I do think where it was like, Brett, you're like, millions of followers don't matter.
[10:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think for them, that is the thing that does matter.
[10:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It really does.
[10:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's like the millions of followers.
[10:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like he literally on the town was talking about his YouTube channel.
[10:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And like how he still wants to make videos for that YouTube channel.
[10:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think that stuff is there as he should.
[10:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, Nukes and credit, like, look at me wrong.
[11:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think it's like,
[11:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Cool.
[11:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And he even said like maybe in a year or two, I can really digest what's happening.
[11:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But he's like, I'm not interested in the Star Wars movie.
[11:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm not interested in these things.
[11:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just want to make creative stuff.
[11:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I can put it on YouTube.
[11:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's where I got my success.
[11:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The reason I'm here is because of those videos.
[11:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Sure.
[11:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They just, I think the,
[11:20] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't know, I mean, I'm glad that I'm glad that they don't want to like make unoriginal films and I think one of the I think I forgot if it was him or the guy who made obsession I saw one of them talk about AI and how like they were like I don't want to watch AI generated stuff because like that like
[11:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like the thing that I'm interested in is like how humans process stuff like not like what it can be or say okay, okay, yeah, so I did like I love that like I think that like I guess the way that you were describing it was like kind of like a like I'm too cool for this which I hate that attitude of like I'm better than this other thing that's happening I just think that king guys pretty autistic I think that's what it is.
[12:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Probably probably probably I don't know I was and I'm only basing it off of Geraz interpretation Yeah, I don't think that's like it even saying like they don't care about it.
[12:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just think that I don't think it's like a disrespect of the Hollywood system I just think the thing that is seems truly important is the foundation they already had which was the YouTube like Right friends, I think it is the opposite.
[12:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think the followers are the thing that matters and this is the icing on the cake of being able to like
[12:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: get a movie in a theater, but I do think they both will be genuinely happily if these movies were successful on YouTube.
[12:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Could it probably will get more money that way?
[12:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But you know, like, I think they just want to make it.
[12:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I've really liked that idea of like, I don't know, people finally success that way and growing in that way.
[12:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So yeah, I'm fascinated about them.
[12:56] \[SPEAKER_03\]: run, I don't know how to pass the name, run that, run atty, run atty.
[13:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: She's Norwegian.
[13:02] \[SPEAKER_03\]: She's dope.
[13:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's dope that you got the black guy's name, but cannot pronounce the white woman's name.
[13:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I look at that.
[13:08] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Good.
[13:09] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah.
[13:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: This Norwegian name, but I do know she's in sentimental values, which I saw.
[13:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Which I didn't like.
[13:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Um, uh, and, oh, yeah, and like a brief marked a possible appear.
[13:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: See, yo, she loves movies about rooms.
[13:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, yeah.
[13:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Good boy.
[13:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is chair.
[13:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is chair.
[13:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Good boy.
[13:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh my god, this movie made the obsession is making so much money.
[13:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Obsession is obsession is crushing it.
[13:37] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I mean, backwards.
[13:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Well, back rooms, opening weekend is the same, but it did drop.
[13:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This true.
[13:45] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It did drop.
[13:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But how much was the drop?
[13:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It was a heavy drop, 68%.
[13:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: but also I think the difference is people are dissecting back rooms like I'm pretty sure we will, but people really keep liking obsession.
[13:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like literally I met with somebody today like I think I gotta go see it again.
[14:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And like it's a fascinating,
[14:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: time.
[14:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: All right, back.
[14:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Good.
[14:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm back.
[14:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: There we go.
[14:07] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Now you move and dead.
[14:08] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We can ever back.
[14:09] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Baby, baby, baby, back rooms.
[14:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Okay.
[14:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Um, let's sit.
[14:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Sorry.
[14:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Sorry.
[14:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Sorry.
[14:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We in the black rooms right now.
[14:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We in the black room.
[14:19] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We in the black room.
[14:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's the black rooms.
[14:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Uh, so back rooms opening weekend made.
[14:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: eighty one million dollars in saying only a ten million dollar budget it did have a drop its second weekend but also who cares it's it's already made two hundred and twelve million dollars worldwide
[14:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: uh... which is just crazy i think down producer scholar was say that this is the biggest opening by twenty four uh... yeah which is far by far like i i i mean it truly blew me away when i saw that because i i i didn't realize just that like i i remember seeing about the trailers for it but i was like
[15:03] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, I was like, wait, what's going on?
[15:06] \[SPEAKER_03\]: 81 million?
[15:07] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, that's, it was rejected.
[15:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I like, 40 or something.
[15:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And like, that was high.
[15:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, yeah, 40 would have been, I would have been like, wow, 40.
[15:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's really what he was high.
[15:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: All that money for such little plot is crazy.
[15:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[15:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Listen.
[15:22] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Well, I mean,
[15:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It currently has an 80% on rotten tomatoes and a 74% audience score, but yeah, let's get into it and just for people who don't know, you should go see this movie by the way.
[15:40] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's out in theaters.
[15:41] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's about, well, I don't even agree with necessarily this, but it says after a therapist patient disappears and wait, hold on.
[15:52] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Wait, I have the, this is IMDB's description of the movie, which actually is really telling we, okay, and talk about it.
[15:58] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Their description of the movie is after a therapist patient disappears into a dimension beyond reality, she must venture into the unknown to save him.
[16:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Wow.
[16:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, so, so, so, so, so, let's get into a baby.
[16:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Let me tell you what.
[16:12] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Listen, let me tell you.
[16:14] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Go ahead, James.
[16:14] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I think the movie thinks that that's the description of the James.
[16:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think the movie thinks that's the description.
[16:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: James, that's why I'm moving.
[16:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's why, scala, you get to go first because you would guess, but we will come back to this because that's the issue I got with this movie.
[16:30] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Okay.
[16:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's the issue I got with this movie.
[16:32] \[SPEAKER_03\]: The other, I'll just say this.
[16:33] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Rotten Tomatoes.
[16:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: has a way, a different and extremely brief description, which is just a strange doorway appears in the basement of a furniture showroom.
[16:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's it.
[16:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's a correct.
[16:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's a correct log line.
[16:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[16:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's a log line work.
[16:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's a, it's a move.
[16:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Honestly, the, the log line should just be rooms that are weird because like, okay, look, do I just give my take?
[17:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Is that how
[17:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I would say my overall takeaway from the background.
[17:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: My main takeaway is if you, like, set design, this is the movie for you.
[17:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh yeah, if you are, if you're your most important thing when you see a movie is like, I just wanna see some really cool look and set and a good vibe.
[17:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: best best movie that could ever happen.
[17:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh yeah.
[17:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Now, for me, I was like, getting as a, you know, or writers and performers and stuff, as somebody who's written a movie, the movie got to the point where things are, should maybe start getting figured out or whatever, and things weren't, I wasn't feeling a sense of,
[17:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Just like the back rooms themselves, the whole time, I could not tell how close we were to the end.
[17:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm like, I agree.
[18:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I think that we did a lot of things well.
[18:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I really liked it.
[18:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: The conceptual stuff, the vibe, all the stuff, visually, really cool.
[18:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But I'm also sitting there like,
[18:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But why is it what's happening and why is it happening or are we gonna explain anything?
[18:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh no, just like a tiny bit, like a little bit gets explained and they go, all right, so it's over.
[18:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You like that, right?
[18:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That was a movie.
[18:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They went into the rooms.
[18:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No, you don't understand.
[18:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They went into the rooms.
[18:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They went into the rooms.
[18:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It was a metaphor.
[18:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's all a metaphor.
[18:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's trauma.
[18:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's like, yeah, yeah, I know.
[18:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But like when it just goes in and then it flips perspectives of like there's one,
[18:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: My guy who's in alcohol, it's perspective he goes in and then he goes crazy for some damn reason and then she goes in and it's she's like, oh, wow, he's messed up in here and that's the whole movie.
[18:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[18:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We're so funny.
[18:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Here you say that is like, there's so many like, I'm one of the widows who will like watch things on YouTube and TikTok after watching the movie and so many people try to break down why this movie is so deep.
[19:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So.
[19:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I can't wait to get into detail about like everything that felt boring, that's supposed to be like a, this was mean and this, this was mean and this, yes, and that's the thing about movies, right?
[19:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: In the abstract, sure, if you're doing a whole thing about, this is,
[19:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: semiotics and this is young in ideals of you stuff and this is like how it is analogous to her trauma or whatever the fine fine fine in the abstract and that can all be in the movie but at the end of the day for a movie it's like it's got to have a plot and maybe a sense of like urgency and a driving force and like whatever is going to happen and like what the stakes are it's just kind of like
[19:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, like I just don't it felt very as far as traditional films are concerned just like really meandering and like Yeah, we in this room and what if we was in this room we didn't in this room and did it up and the like it just would have been so much more interesting if in the arc of the movie there is like
[20:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: the three people who go in and then they are all like the therapist has to go in after them, not knowing who's alive, who isn't alive.
[20:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Not them all dying early as fuck, same time.
[20:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We don't know what's going to happen.
[20:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like we know they're gone.
[20:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We just like now it's just like you got to be wondering for most horror movies, who's going to make it to the end?
[20:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: One person dies early, one person in medium, the other person closest to the end, final person.
[20:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: The movie kind of does
[20:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Kill everybody right quick.
[20:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Then the main guys who you think is the main character is still in there.
[20:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Then suddenly he's the antagonist.
[20:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: She's in there.
[20:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it also has something to do with her trauma, but we don't fully really know what.
[20:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it never really fully explains it.
[20:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And people are like, that's brilliant.
[20:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's genius.
[20:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You don't.
[20:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You don't need to get movie spoon fed to you.
[20:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Hmm, it should have gotten a little bit more of an explanation, but that's just my take.
[21:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I don't think I'm dumb, but I'm like, hey, explain it a little bit.
[21:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Why am I watching what I'm watching?
[21:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm grown.
[21:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm busy.
[21:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Who should go?
[21:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Maybe, maybe I'll go next.
[21:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I know that was so long.
[21:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: No, that was great.
[21:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: No, that was great.
[21:18] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Here's the thing, here's the thing.
[21:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I said, set design and production design is not by number one thing for a movie, but I think it's, but I think it's pretty high because I, I, I, I.
[21:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Even though the end of this movie, being no absolutely no sense and ultimately I was like, you know, yeah, the script was was lacking.
[21:41] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I was like, I still have a fun time and I enjoyed most of the movie and the end honestly the end was like it was bad in a way that I literally like I the thing I the the real expression I had was like.
[21:56] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Ah, you guys didn't have to, you didn't have to do this.
[21:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, you could have just made it simple.
[22:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, you had everything.
[22:03] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Don't complicate it.
[22:05] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, just make it a little, like, put a couple more people in there.
[22:09] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Make it a little more interest, like, just we're following somewhere.
[22:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We're just trying to follow somebody's survival.
[22:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And that's it.
[22:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, we don't need anything else.
[22:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I just say, I also want to say, I'm not going to lie to you.
[22:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I enjoyed it.
[22:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I like to move up.
[22:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But the way it's done so successful in everybody loves it is not making sense to me for what it is.
[22:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Right.
[22:32] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And I do think, I think the week one to week two drop is a little indicative of people being like, it's not as good as we thought it was.
[22:45] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's still a cool, like, there's enough scares in it.
[22:48] \[SPEAKER_03\]: There's enough like weird stuff in the production design is so cool and like the, you know, they have really good actors in it.
[22:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: My take on it was like, I could have done without the entirety of like the Mark II Plus like people in Hasmat suits.
[23:02] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like I could have done literally all of them.
[23:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Mark, what you doing there, Mark?
[23:06] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah.
[23:06] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Good early when you're doing that.
[23:07] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah.
[23:08] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They know.
[23:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They know.
[23:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They never explained that they never explained that part and I was like, well, what do we need this for like you could have lost literally all of that if you want to do some relationship between him and this therapist and that's supposed to be meaningful in some way then explore that more like they didn't I literally was just like when that scene was happening and are spoiling everything but like when that scene was happening towards the end I was just like
[23:33] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Did I miss something like this feels like it's supposed to be way more meaningful than I, then I was got and that being said like I did like the explanation I thought the metaphor of it being like memory like the explanation of like it's like this place remembers everything but it's like when you're memory like your memory is fuzzy and it doesn't have and things are kind of in the wrong places and then the wrong spots.
[23:57] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You know, and I was like, Oh, that's really cool.
[23:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like I like like that concept of what the Backrooms is like made sense to me and I thought if they explored that even further that would have been cool, but they kind of just
[24:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They like set it and then it was kind of like, eh, you know, like, anyway, some of the parts made absolutely no sense.
[24:20] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That being said, I was like, by the time that happened, it did kind of happen quickly.
[24:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like it would like, made no sense, but it like kind of like the end of that.
[24:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then there was like the chasing.
[24:28] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So that was interesting enough, because it's just the chasing that I still like, ultimately like this movie more than I did it.
[24:37] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But it could have been great, like it could have been like a master piece and instead it was it was a good movie that like had a bad ending.
[24:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's how I felt.
[24:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I get to it.
[24:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: James, do you want to go?
[24:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You want me to go?
[24:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But after you.
[24:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I will say this.
[24:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I, I think, came Parsons directed to hell out of this movie.
[24:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like I,
[25:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Again, like we already said, I think the set designer's great in, you know, you can see the behind the scenes.
[25:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They physically built this like everything was built, but also here in him talk about it.
[25:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then people have been trying to discredit him and I'm Corey the director of a obsession, saying he had ghost directors and people try to say mark do plus.
[25:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: like directed this for him and mark two places come out to say like no, no, no, I was there, but he had everything planned out.
[25:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So he didn't need me.
[25:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He's like he, and you could tell like every one of these shots seem very planned and seem very purposeful.
[25:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I think
[25:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's impossible for me to talk about, I think, this movie and obsessions separately, just because I saw them back to back to both YouTubers, both young little white boys, both during crazy number of the box office.
[25:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like crazy.
[25:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And the thing is hearing both of them speak is so interesting because, you know, for obsession, they wouldn't be like, we don't, both of these movies that we don't need to explain things to people.
[25:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: People will get it.
[26:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: For me that worked with obsession.
[26:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It did not work for this because the Lord was just so big and again I watched Mad videos to prepare for this and I still wasn't that theater like I don't know what the fuck is happening And that means maybe that's because I'm old like I don't maybe I am officially too old to get this and tell I watch take talk videos and I'm like, oh, I guess that makes sense, but even then I Don't know I think cheer for I love the fact that he was I think he acted as a softening movie I have some issues with
[26:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: How this movie uses him and like and it goes to that like um, um, IMDB log on Like something comes at angry black fan of it.
[26:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, and then also like how the movie really isn't about him I was like, I don't understand it there a piss at all.
[26:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, but again I think this movie was directed really well.
[26:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I enjoyed it.
[26:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was confused I don't know if I need to watch it again, but I do think this guy this kid is going to be fantastic I like I don't know.
[26:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I heard him talk about certain things and I'm like, oh, bro
[26:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You're in any made, any made those shorts on Blender bro, that's like a program.
[27:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like that's insane because he was sick, because he was at home, sick, and he just made a fucking short on Blender.
[27:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And the fact that he does not like using AI, like he will use it anyway.
[27:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I enjoy the movie.
[27:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't think he's as good as obsession, but I do enjoy the movie.
[27:21] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, I'll be quick so we can actually go be my beat, but I saw it with my sister and she left and she said the only She said I liked the sets and that was all she said she liked about it.
[27:35] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I didn't like it as much as I didn't like it as much as y'all did.
[27:39] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I thought I was gonna like it a little bit more
[27:42] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But I don't know, I, I, I, I, I was thrilled.
[27:47] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I was like, there's a lot of the tension was was you could kind of with a knife, you know, like all of that.
[27:53] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I thought was done really well.
[27:56] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I, my, my favorite sequence is like when all three of them go down and like we're just through the POV of the camera and like I thought that was, I thought that was sick.
[28:06] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Um, but I don't know like the the story itself to me was was lacking in that like if and especially like the like
[28:16] \[SPEAKER_02\]: the like you know what it means to be an adult and like all of that stuff like like to me like with all of the with all of the advertiser being like can you believe a twin-year-old did this like it's seen the story felt like you described a midlife crisis to a twin-year-old who had never experienced one and then he wrote that it's like describing a midlife crisis to someone who had never experienced one and you get some things right but things would be out of place
[28:43] \[SPEAKER_02\]: That's exactly what it felt like to me.
[28:46] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And so it's, that was disappointing, you know?
[28:49] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And then for the, the reason I feel like the movie feels like it's about the therapist is like, particularly when she starts to go in the back rooms and the music is on a level where you're like, and this is what we've all been waiting for.
[29:04] \[SPEAKER_02\]: It's for this woman to finally, and I was like, why are you so, you know, what do you mean, what do you mean?
[29:10] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I don't.
[29:10] \[SPEAKER_02\]: It was a waiting for this.
[29:12] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, I get it.
[29:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He does a weird thing where it suggests like she's central to it all But then you're like, but why though like she there's like you're doing all these flashbacks and you're gonna go Okay, but like what why is it's about her bushing, but how and what and what does this have to for?
[29:35] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And if it is like a thing where like talking about it, changes it right, like if that is a thing, it's frustrating to me, just a thing that I wanted.
[29:46] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I know this isn't what watching movies is, but I was like, where's this woman's mom?
[29:51] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Like I wanted her mom a weird her mom to be down there, right?
[29:55] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yes, I just wanted a weird her mom, right?
[29:59] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Like I felt like I needed that and then for that to be like the suggestion of what we would get next time if they did more and they're certainly going to do more because it's made so much money, but like it's like no, I like sort of right.
[30:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's what yeah, her.
[30:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: felt like a lot of, it did feel like a lot of setup.
[30:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It felt like the whole movie was like, and that was a setup for back rooms too, where we really get into it.
[30:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, yeah, I could have been act one of a movie.
[30:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[30:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Skylar, this felt like the first episode of a TV show.
[30:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, I, I, it felt so unfinished.
[30:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And the thing is, here in King and talk about it, they were like, it's funny because they have a now a sequel.
[30:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But he was like, oh, I would like to see this in the TV show or something.
[30:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I was like, that makes sense.
[30:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like seeing this as a TV show makes more sense to me, because I mean, can we just get into it?
[30:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, listen to it.
[30:54] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah.
[30:54] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I mean, yes.
[30:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: No, I was going to say I agree.
[30:56] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I just think like it also could have been a great movie.
[30:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, you're right, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but
[31:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, for what?
[31:22] \[SPEAKER_03\]: All right, that was confusing.
[31:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Is the first thing we see?
[31:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Is like her about a story?
[31:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So the first thing we see is a little girl putting the hand in the cement.
[31:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Is it in a flashes forward to her watching them like tear the house down?
[31:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Right.
[31:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But we like don't realize that at first because it's like, it's almost like the truck is there.
[31:40] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, at the time she's putting her hand in the cement.
[31:42] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And so it's like the memories merging.
[31:45] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then do we cut to her or in the therapist's office
[31:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I think we cut to her, she's there watching, sorry.
[31:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We should say that the first scene of this movie is, isn't her, it's the actual, the back rooms.
[32:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's like, it's a person we don't know doing what I assume is very close to the original web series kind of thing.
[32:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, where it's just a camcorder and some guy is like,
[32:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: he's lost and he's doing the like and it's like it's so funny it's such a simple technique that just doesn't feel like it works with the phone like because why would anybody be like feeling like but like
[32:28] \[SPEAKER_03\]: have somebody having a camcorder in their hand and going through a place where like every time they turn like there's other openings and they're just going like whipping the camera around to like make sure there's nothing there and we keep hearing some creepy noise.
[32:41] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I was like this is already so scary.
[32:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'm like at any point something can jump out.
[32:45] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't know let it's gonna happen.
[32:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't know what's happening.
[32:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Great.
[32:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: at every moment.
[32:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like, also because in the shorts, the creatures look different and I'm like, so I was expecting to see one of these other kind of creatures.
[32:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm like, if one of these things pop up out of nowhere, bro, because they're like so big and to form and some of them look like,
[33:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: fucking spidery things.
[33:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like, this shit is about to be wild.
[33:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, and we get like a weird bird that fly.
[33:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And we're just like, what's going on?
[33:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's like creepy.
[33:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And the guy is like calling for help because apparently he knows that other people are there.
[33:20] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But he's lost and it's like, oh, great.
[33:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: This place is an infinite.
[33:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So of course, you can get lost here.
[33:25] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then he's like running from something.
[33:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We never see it.
[33:28] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We kind of see like a shadowy tall shadowy figure.
[33:31] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then we know that he,
[33:33] \[SPEAKER_03\]: gets killed.
[33:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'm like, that's the start of it.
[33:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Okay.
[33:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Great.
[33:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then yeah, then we get her thing.
[33:39] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We get a therapy.
[33:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Is he with her doing the therapy like after the hand stuff, what happens after the hand stuff like his member is like,
[33:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: is that she's a kid, but then she puts the hand in and then the fake cardboard family falls and it is hers and it don't watch in them tear it on the house and we see the hand prints in the cement.
[34:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But what happens after that scene?
[34:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, is it?
[34:04] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I think it's his therapy session.
[34:06] \[SPEAKER_02\]: That's the earliest thing that I remember about it.
[34:08] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Is his therapy?
[34:09] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, and this is the thing that's so weird about the movie.
[34:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's like this first scene between the two of them is like, kind of the most we get.
[34:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[34:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah.
[34:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: The movie acts like we get these scenes like over and over again.
[34:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And we kind of don't.
[34:25] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's just like the most we get is this thing.
[34:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And like they do like this weird, it's not weird, sorry.
[34:30] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's like a, I guess like a normal therapeutic process of like she's like, I'm gonna be your wife, you know, your ex wife.
[34:37] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And like you say the things that you've always wanted to say and he gets angry at her and she's like, great, you feel better.
[34:44] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You know, and we're like, okay.
[34:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And by the way, did any of you clock that this was supposed to be, like, we were supposed to go, like, man, the students crazy.
[34:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It took me a while to not to clock that he was crazy, because this also didn't necessarily track for me because I think some of the stuff that he said when he was like, getting mad, like, I, I really.
[35:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There is this whole thing of, you know, it's supposed to be revealed that like he was abusive or whatever.
[35:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It is, I guess, kind of the sense that we're supposed to get.
[35:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, it's something that I was like in this, in especially a therapeutic setting where it's like, you're supposed to like, they all of your feelings and get, you know, like, him getting mad and like saying that, I just didn't get it off like that, but yeah, whatever.
[35:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I didn't get abuser from that, you know?
[35:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: If he was okay, I could see drinking problem and like from that kind of stuff, but there there wasn't enough about his
[35:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: behavior.
[35:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And we didn't see anything from his wife's side.
[35:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Really that would indicate like he has a pattern of being really not okay because we just had him getting mad the one time and okay, it seems like he has a drinking problem.
[36:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It feels like the drinking problem was there, but probably got worse because his wife left him that.
[36:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He as a care that seems like pretty normal stuff that did not get to me like oh, he's that and that's what made it jarring when I was like
[36:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: She goes in and he's like, oh, now he's crazy.
[36:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like that was like, yeah, but I think we needed his flashback.
[36:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think like instead of starting the movie with the Psychiatrists, which we don't need, is like instead of every flashback to her and her mom, it should have been a flashback to that night.
[36:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like we should have always been going back to that night.
[36:43] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And the thing is, we should have more people to get the movie isn't about him.
[36:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He looks just gonna make it.
[36:48] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was kidding, he was
[37:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: hour and 15 minutes of an hour and 45 minute move no idea like we were not with her.
[37:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We're not with her ever like even when we're briefly with her We don't even understand why we're with her like when we're like it's like her watching her own commercial I literally was like what is this supposed to I don't even
[37:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I didn't understand what that was trying to tell me the crazy one is she the crazy one because she's so lonely and by herself that Like she can't actually help the people because she can't help her so she doesn't believe in the things that she's preaching But see that's the thing I understand that part, but that isn't like
[37:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: a plot that is relevant to the background specific right where it's like she has a result her trauma so she's gonna have trauma down there and that's gonna be weird and she doesn't know but it doesn't what does that have to it doesn't have anything to do with him and it doesn't have anything to do with the back room specifically like there are these three different like and there's like the back rooms there's his character and then there's her character and their whole thing and
[38:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: None of the three of them have any like real intersection with each other.
[38:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like the back room is does this two people.
[38:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: All right.
[38:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Sure.
[38:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But and the monster becomes like his like thing whatever, but it doesn't it's not really clear why like.
[38:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: these two are so linked with like what their shit is if she went in and there was some fucked up shit happening because of her trauma and that's what like ended up getting them in or her trauma and his trauma combined to like what that it would make a lot more sense but these just felt like disparate hearts that were like
[38:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[38:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Once again, just unresolved.
[38:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Unresolved.
[38:49] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's why I don't understand why they didn't play it a little bit more down the middle because here's a thing.
[38:54] \[SPEAKER_03\]: To me, when you intro a movie by showing the world like that already exists without them, already happening, this place just exists.
[39:02] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Then to me, what you're telling me is like, this movie,
[39:07] \[SPEAKER_03\]: is not about a character like creating this thing.
[39:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's about this person, a person that you're gonna know stumbling into something and maybe thematically what's happening in their lives is gonna link up to what's happening in the back rooms.
[39:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But then the movie kind of try to be like, no, actually, also the back rooms is really, it's just like, it's just playing out what's already happening here for these guys, and I was just like, wait, but that's not, but you already showed that the back rooms already existed before them.
[39:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I literally, I, I, I couldn't tell at the end of that movie.
[39:39] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I was like, are we supposed to believe that the, that his thing was the thing that was.
[39:44] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't think so.
[39:45] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't think so.
[39:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't think so.
[39:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That doesn't make sense.
[39:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And yet it feels, it feels like it was a similar look.
[39:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Doesn't it?
[39:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Mm-hmm.
[39:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Maybe that's, well, maybe that's, you know,
[39:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: is that in the world of like these monster things happen, that means that is is like a monster from like his whole thing and there could be others from other people.
[40:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Right, which is all from us stuff.
[40:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then why do why do some become monsters and some become happens that you can eat?
[40:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah.
[40:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's your point.
[40:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No, that's your point.
[40:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's when like so we're going into that like something that would have satisfied it a lot more for me for what they were trying to do is if her like
[40:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: a monster came out that turned out to be her mom.
[40:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Or like, there's two monsters.
[40:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: One of them's her mom.
[40:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They have to Godzilla versus King Kong fight each other.
[40:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Or not, it's probably that pitch version.
[40:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But like, okay, that's there because you have your other kind of situation going on.
[40:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So now we know, oh, yeah, like this is this had something to do with it.
[40:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It just kind of felt like, oh, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I
[40:59] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And this is a little too much, this is a little too much.
[41:02] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But like, also like you could have just had like this was the 90s, right?
[41:06] \[SPEAKER_02\]: You could have just had like a George W. H. W. W. Like, I don't have a lot of stuff.
[41:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's a lot of stuff.
[41:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: What?
[41:14] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I know it's too, I listen.
[41:16] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I know it's too comedic for to have been specifically that.
[41:19] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But I'm saying like, if the, if it is like just everyone's trauma and memories and blah, blah, whatever.
[41:26] \[SPEAKER_02\]: then you know like that would have made sense to see stuff like that.
[41:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, I think in theory of the reason he was supposed to be a aggressive elixir listen, these theories aren't mine, I desperately was trying to understand what this movie was about.
[41:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so apparently all this was taking place was specific.
[41:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Apparently the stuff that was in the back rooms were taking place during a different timeline from what was happening in a real world like because the world is like a loop or some shit.
[41:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know how so much I just play it, but basically they were like, oh, it's off.
[41:58] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Like it's so good for it.
[42:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, so for instance, like the reason that you know spoilers that the monster looks like him is because that's supposed to be the built up regression that he never like
[42:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He never let out.
[42:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He never spoke about and it just mounted up until it was like rage.
[42:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And the thing is, but the tricky part to me is that that rage got into the back rooms way before he even got to that point.
[42:22] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Well, that's what I'm, that's what I was asking.
[42:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I was like, is are we supposed to believe that that monster was the monster of the whole move?
[42:28] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yes.
[42:29] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yes.
[42:29] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So, so, so, so great we are.
[42:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, so here we are.
[42:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So the reason the reason people are saying that is true is because
[42:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: the reason mark do plus when he's watching TV and he sees the commercial and he goes his eyes go at because he's like that's the I've seen the mods that's the thing.
[42:47] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But we had seen him see chew it up see here's what it is though.
[42:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I get what it is now because this exists outside of time.
[42:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So if a monster exists at any point, it exists at all point.
[43:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So we can be before he starts even before he even does that commercial, before whatever.
[43:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's all really all happening to him.
[43:12] \[SPEAKER_02\]: That's, that's, that's, I'm going to take that.
[43:14] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm going to take that, but then it makes me even more mad that her mom wasn't down there.
[43:18] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Like it makes me even more mad that there weren't exactly like
[43:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Why have all these flashbacks to her crazy mom if we're not going to see a freaking crazy trauma, but also the thing about is the trauma I think what I struggle with it this movie is going to be about trauma things in that nature I agree with you guys if we're talking about the therapist and mom needed to be there, but I struggle with the fact that the wife is down there and we don't Truly see the interactions with the wife like we have a brief moment that I guess he wasn't abusive but
[43:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like you said, scholar before, when he vent, like he is a dude who is struggling, who like had a dream, but can't do it because he's now paying for two people.
[43:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So he has no money.
[43:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like him calling us like that, I guess.
[44:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Therapy.
[44:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He's literally, he doesn't lash out anywhere.
[44:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Even if you saw him lasting out outside of that really, he was asked to do it, then you'd be like, okay, this guy might be, but he's like, let's process our feelings.
[44:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it's like, yeah, he's saying fucked up shit sometimes if you're really like going for it.
[44:17] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And then he was.
[44:18] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah.
[44:19] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Now, I've been going back and forth about that woman down there being his wife.
[44:23] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I've been going back and forth about that.
[44:25] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Like, like, she has the red hair, right?
[44:28] \[SPEAKER_02\]: She's, you know, everything down there is a representation of the things going on with him.
[44:32] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But then the other two people, he's like, I guess this is a guy.
[44:37] \[SPEAKER_02\]: specificity as to who they are and then like and then I would have preferred him doing interactions with the wife but being like you talk for like like it being it being that direct just to you know but otherwise he didn't like interact with that with the weird wife like it was her well I think he did I think him
[45:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: being quote unquote like very violent and clearly cutting off her hair to then do the true reenactment and be like all right now let's do it like you're you're the wife I'm him yeah also how long was he down there to go to crazy and the thing is it I understand he was alcoholic but like again it's got to your point is like if this alcoholism is the problem we need to
[45:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be
[45:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: when we get to the relationship with his assistant manager and her boyfriend.
[45:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like, okay, now we have other people in here to either solidify what he's talking about or prove that this man is crazy.
[46:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like this is why they're here.
[46:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Let us know what's going on.
[46:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then of course, like the white dude has this place stop a apartheid show, I'm like sure, and I was like, okay, whatever, fine.
[46:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But then they get down there.
[46:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I was a little,
[46:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: peaved on the fact that like we didn't see like so did he cover head off like him or did the most of them ever explained he said he said he tried to save her but she couldn't like listen or something like that he doesn't even finish the sentence he kept her head that was so confusing too because again it's like so
[46:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So he's crazy, but it felt like out of no way.
[46:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Out of no way.
[46:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No way.
[46:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Okay, he was in there for a while.
[46:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And that's another, that's another trope, though, is people say, there's that thing of, there's that trope where it's like, oh, this person's been in this like, timeless place or whatever.
[46:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He's been down there for so long.
[47:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It drove him crazy.
[47:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I,
[47:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Don't know if you go crazy in that way where you get, it just doesn't track to me that you get like crazy and violent like that.
[47:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It also doesn't seem like he could have been down there for that that long.
[47:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They should have eaten way more than folks.
[47:18] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yes.
[47:18] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And he, but he's down there, he's down there.
[47:22] \[SPEAKER_02\]: It's truly insane that he eats the people, right?
[47:27] \[SPEAKER_02\]: He's down there long enough, long enough that he is like so starved for food that he thinks I'm going to try to eat this man's stomach and knows that not only that, but you can eat it and it's okay.
[47:41] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Which means he's seeing other people that have been there, right?
[47:44] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Because those people weren't cut open yet.
[47:46] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But we see like four pieces of mail under the door.
[47:49] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Okay, like, if I don't get it, and I get it, the back room is wild.
[47:53] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Like if I would have spent, I don't know how much time I need to spend in there before I start to lose it.
[47:58] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But it's not long enough.
[47:59] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I need it.
[48:00] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I need it.
[48:00] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I need it.
[48:01] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I need it packed.
[48:02] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I need it for closure science on the door.
[48:03] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I need it.
[48:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Could he?
[48:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He also have come.
[48:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He could.
[48:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: If he was there for that long, he also knew the way out.
[48:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's the every time he knew every time.
[48:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Well, he had, he, well, that's the other thing.
[48:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He had been exploring before he took those two people in with him.
[48:18] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It seemed like he had been exploring for quite some time.
[48:20] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You know, like all the maps and all that stuff.
[48:22] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Right.
[48:22] \[SPEAKER_03\]: This is another part of the movie because for me, it's so funny.
[48:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: The end of this movie came out of nowhere like I,
[48:29] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I didn't have questions.
[48:31] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like I literally wasn't thinking about it.
[48:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I wasn't, I was just like, okay, this place exists.
[48:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like I don't care what it is.
[48:37] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like it's just place that exists and it's creepy.
[48:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And like, and they just restated what it was.
[48:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That was what pissed me off.
[48:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: This Mark Dupas goes, we don't know what it is.
[48:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's this thing that kind of seems to remember stuff and it grows and we're just like, yeah, we know that.
[48:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We know all that.
[48:52] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They don't explain anything at the end, but like, but I guess what I meant to say is like, when the movie is progressing,
[49:00] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'm a I was a little bit the only thing that I was questioning was like this woman's backstory I was like why are we getting this?
[49:05] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't know what it has anything to do with anything other than I guess eventually It was like she's afraid that he's going crazy because her mom was crazy But then it's like why did you become a therapist?
[49:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's your fear.
[49:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't like okay and and and
[49:19] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But I thought it was just like, this guy's going to go explore this room.
[49:22] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He's finding stuff out.
[49:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He's going to bring people in.
[49:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Some people are going to die.
[49:25] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He's going to get out of there and then he's going to bring her in.
[49:28] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And she's might maybe she dies.
[49:30] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Maybe he dies or whatever.
[49:31] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, that's just what it's going to be.
[49:33] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's going to be like a nice close container story.
[49:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But instead they started doing all this stuff of like,
[49:39] \[SPEAKER_03\]: talking about, yeah, like they're talking through the trauma and then we're talking about this place being the memory and then all this stuff is happening at the end and I'm just like, why couldn't this have just been about a person discovering this crazy place and then just trying to survive it when he did into deep.
[49:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know why I couldn't have just been because I think, man, I'm not going to lie to you.
[50:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I, and I, and I say this, I wanna work with them.
[50:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so I, I'm gonna say it in a, in a, in a creative way.
[50:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think this, this is the, this is the A24ness of this movie.
[50:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, I think, 100%.
[50:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think, when I look at his shorts, when I look at King shorts,
[50:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It makes sense to me.
[50:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It makes sense to me why that will become a movie, why you would expand on that.
[50:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think because this is an A24 movie, and because like this movie has more hands in it from the beginning, then obsession did.
[50:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like James Wan was in it from the beginning, A24 was in it from the beginning.
[50:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Blue House was in it from the beginning, and there's another producer that was in it from the beginning.
[50:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So there's a lot of hands, and as much as they say they gave came a lot of like runway.
[50:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This was a 19-year-old kid.
[50:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, damn well, like he didn't write the script.
[50:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He didn't write.
[50:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And he kept saying, at least in his interviews.
[50:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I like credit it.
[50:56] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah.
[50:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He didn't.
[50:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He didn't write it.
[50:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And he kept saying he was, it was hard finding someone and working with people who weren't obsessed with the material as he was, like who weren't deep in the lore.
[51:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I feel like this movie was trying to adhere to
[51:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: regular cinema traditions of like what happens in this third act what happens in this like I think I felt like a lot of hands were in it or it just could have been simpler like yeah simpler but then that means you have a movie with three people because I don't think you need to therapist at all you just need it him in the two like the the white boy in the in the assistant and then you can deal with that in a wife.
[51:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Wait, that's it.
[51:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You don't need more duplitis.
[51:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I will say, I didn't mind the therapy session, like the seed of the therapy.
[51:40] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I thought there was some interesting stuff that, like, I like, she said something about loops, like, or mine gets stuck in these loops.
[51:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And I was like, oh, that's interesting.
[51:48] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's kind of like, we're about to see, like, he's gonna get stuck in the back rooms or whatever.
[51:52] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So I thought that was interesting, but I didn't realize she was about to be a whole there about to freak in psychosus and just be like,
[51:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Oh, yeah, I guess they did.
[52:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, they almost, I really would have been, I'm always interested when something narratively or structurally kind of does that where they go, okay, you were following this character, now we're following this character, that's like what weapons did, you know, I mean, you see it from like a bunch of different perspectives, but like that would status find because it all congealed into what is a full story, whereas this was like,
[52:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I really need you to like, no, like I want to know why she she's the one that we're switching to why the therapist is like, it's like, okay, she's a therapist, but that's really just a like, his barber might as well have gone in there, you know?
[52:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like they have a transactional relationship of like, oh man, I need to cut your hair, but I don't like, you know, it could have been anybody, it literally could have been anybody.
[52:52] \[SPEAKER_03\]: These are the big questions for him that I didn't understand.
[52:57] \[SPEAKER_03\]: What was he looking for in the backwards?
[52:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's one thing to be curious when you first find a place and then go, but like,
[53:07] \[SPEAKER_03\]: In his first expiration, he's like, what the heck?
[53:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And he keeps going further and whatever.
[53:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then all of a sudden, he hears something.
[53:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And he just instinctually gets a little scared.
[53:19] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He backs off a little bit.
[53:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He's like, oh, let me.
[53:22] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He goes through the hole.
[53:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He looks back.
[53:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He hears the thing that was playing stop.
[53:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then it sees it obliterate.
[53:29] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, he sees it goes flying into pieces.
[53:32] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So when that happens, you go, oh my God, what the hell is in there in this place?
[53:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's amazing.
[53:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't wanna find out, let me get out of here, and he does get out of there.
[53:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But then the next time we see him, he's like, he's like still I can exploring this place.
[53:45] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And there are like, are there is there anybody else in here?
[53:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And he was like, not that I've seen and you're like, what do you mean not that you've seen?
[53:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Even though you've that physically seen that, like you know there's something in there and you know you're scared of it.
[53:56] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So what, what is this about?
[53:58] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You know, like I didn't 100% Why was he exploring?
[54:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: you know what would have fixed that for me is if he went down there and like let's say it was one of those weird things but he thought he saw his wife down there and then you know boom boom he's going deeper and deeper in because he's like I'm trying to find her I think I could fix it with her just this will this will fix all my problems therapists is like you're staying on the same loop whatever that at least gives him I think that's such a big what you just said is so big
[54:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Well, half of the problem is it's like, why is he in there?
[54:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Why is he still in there?
[54:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: People die in there.
[54:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He's still in there.
[54:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What does he think he's going to achieve by like being in here and having this map and like coming out like there's not any and there's no in the movie.
[54:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There's no suggestion that the back rooms makes you want to be in the back.
[54:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Nope.
[54:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like if there was something that's like, it makes you lose your memory or some type shit.
[54:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like that would make sense.
[54:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But
[54:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't know.
[54:57] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I unfortunately think the in-story reason to why he's in the back rooms is he wants to be an architect.
[55:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Which means an architect.
[55:07] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Which means an architect.
[55:08] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But was he been the end?
[55:11] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Wait, explain, keep going James.
[55:12] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Keep going.
[55:13] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, hold on.
[55:13] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Well, just we'll just end the end.
[55:15] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So he's like, what is this place?
[55:18] \[SPEAKER_02\]: What is this design?
[55:19] \[SPEAKER_02\]: You know, we've, we saw him drawing designs before he goes in, you know, and so he's just, he's just enamored with the architecture.
[55:31] \[SPEAKER_02\]: with the architecture of the back rooms.
[55:34] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I genuinely think that's the only reason.
[55:38] \[SPEAKER_02\]: This man is an artist.
[55:40] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Again, I don't even mind that necessarily though I do need him.
[55:45] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I do need, I feel like it's like, it's just, is he getting inspiration?
[55:49] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Here's the thing, I would, I want a little bit of tape.
[55:52] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, just give me a taste of him being like, you don't understand, this place is a, this place is an architecture, like, like, I'm in a big mess.
[56:00] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And, but it's inspiring me, like, I was thinking like, what if we did this and like, what if I did that?
[56:05] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I then she's looking at him like this boy's crazy and he's like, I'm not crazy, because this is my second question.
[56:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: My second question was, why the hell does he care
[56:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Right.
[56:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Why is he, why does he care so much about his therapist thinking that he, he, he knows the back room's success.
[56:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Why does he need her to believe him?
[56:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, why?
[56:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I was just like, I don't understand.
[56:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Also, you got the video real quick.
[56:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And you could literally all you have to do is take a video of you passing through the wall and going down the hall is a little bit.
[56:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And then right back up and out, you go to the therapist.
[56:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Look,
[56:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What, I mean, and maybe that is thinking along the lines of too logically for a horror movie because you always, they always get into shit and you always got to figure out why they're sure sure, but, but even so it is like, yeah, I'm going because I'm, I want to prove it and then.
[57:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: it does feel like that was a little bit of his drive but then it's like so you're still staying there.
[57:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I just would have loved to see like we're saying some sort of fowsey and bargain of like agree.
[57:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I need or want the back rooms or want to see what's in here for this reason and if I go into this even if it's ill-advised we really know like why he wants to be there instead of just like he's this there.
[57:25] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Even if his therapist was like, you know what, like this is the other thing I hate is like, you had a therapist.
[57:30] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He could have talked any of this stuff out, but therapists could have been like, you know what?
[57:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't know what you're talking about, but for a second, say what you're talking about is real, that there's a place with infinite rooms that keeps going on.
[57:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Why do you think you're in there?
[57:44] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So that he can go,
[57:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't know.
[57:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I guess there's a thrill that I get.
[57:48] \[SPEAKER_03\]: What's the thrill?
[57:50] \[SPEAKER_03\]: What is it coming from?
[57:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So we can what?
[57:52] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Oh, what do you want me to say that there's nothing happening in my real life?
[57:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So I have to go and explore some other dimension thing.
[57:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, let me just get something like that.
[58:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We're great.
[58:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Bray to James's point.
[58:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That would make the movie about.
[58:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes, and initially it's not about him.
[58:07] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And you know what?
[58:08] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Also, this man is crazy.
[58:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: First of all, the thing that works for us to think that this man actually is the moment.
[58:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And you know what it was?
[58:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I remember there were two points when I saw this movie.
[58:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I saw what a group of people.
[58:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I saw what a group of people in the first time he went in and he was joking.
[58:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He kept going.
[58:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I remember turning it to jail and going.
[58:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This movie is unrealistic, this nigga would never go deeper.
[58:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I remember saying that and then later on in the movie, when like he vanishes and then we have the flashback of the therapist, she goes, this movie is about a white woman.
[58:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I was like, huh, and she goes, this movie is about a white woman.
[58:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm like, and then the movie proceeds and I'm like, it is like, we literally, I mean, eventually it becomes about her.
[58:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't understand.
[58:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Even though she's now in the movie, it's about her.
[58:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Bro, I'm gonna tell you this.
[58:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm gonna tell you what's so frustrating.
[58:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I said, I said, she bought the break.
[58:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know why I attribute this to the break.
[58:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I, uh, a brand I saw like us in very quickly.
[59:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He was like, this is what's happening.
[59:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And it pissed me off to the state with Jela at one point.
[59:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The movie's going on in the moment that therapist was eating food and watching her own commercial.
[59:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She was like this movie's about the therapist and I was like, it was random.
[59:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was like, what are you talking about?
[59:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She's like, why do we care about this woman by herself?
[59:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She goes, it opened with her.
[59:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: and we're seeing her isolated without him.
[59:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This movie's about her.
[59:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: When the movie ended in like now, like she's the survivor and like being in a view of Mike DuClus, the cockiness that this woman turned to me and goes, this movie was about a white woman.
[59:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I was like, I was like, that's like, you're right.
[59:42] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I was like, yeah, I did.
[59:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I didn't know because, I don't know, there was 25 minutes where it was just to tell it's just for running around, you know, in some, in some backrooms by himself with literally nobody else there.
[59:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, hear me out.
[59:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, if he was, if he was so toxic, right, that,
[1:00:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm assuming it was going to kill her, but then the therapist got through to him, and he's like, you know what, you're right.
[1:00:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm about to let you go.
[1:00:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like I'm gonna let you go.
[1:00:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Wait, what?
[1:00:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's what we're supposed to take away.
[1:00:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They're not planning to kill this.
[1:00:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know.
[1:00:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't know.
[1:00:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't know if that's the, what was that?
[1:00:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That wasn't my take away.
[1:00:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Why was he tied up with the knife?
[1:00:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then he was like, and he started being like, I don't let you go.
[1:00:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I was like, you mean, if you mean the therapist killed the therapist, because like, basically they made it such as to do to, he's like, you're right.
[1:00:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: uh... i need to work on this and he's letting her go and then the big do comes in some like and he's like don't worry she said we're okay we could just stay here and i was literally like what does any of this mean yet and it also she didn't say stay here she she i got she did say you can do it on your own you could just stay here she didn't say that i think but i'm like so with the point was the was the
[1:00:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like at one point I read a thing where like technically the real cheer for was turned into the monster and the other one was like a replica because they have replicas in this world that could I could see that I would see that as a concept like like like especially
[1:01:09] \[SPEAKER_02\]: by the end when they're talking to the therapist in the whatever this lab is I was like it's to tell another room like it's he and another room talking you know and like and down there is is a hyper realistic version of it like the best copy version of it but I feel like if we're changing a lot more sense but if that were true it'd be more in the movie.
[1:01:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I think that's what they're hitting it.
[1:01:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think they're hitting like, there's two moments in this movie is when the monster is chasing her and she goes through that thin little hallway and she stops and she has like a sympathetic look to it.
[1:01:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like it goes, they hold on her long enough to see her go from fear to like sympathy.
[1:01:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Right.
[1:01:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And like he's yelling or some people say he says help me.
[1:01:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't hear that, but like is that moment?
[1:01:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then the whole setup is a trap to get the big monster
[1:02:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And when they do the brain scan, the brain scan is on the monster, but the monster has the same brain as chief the chief for it.
[1:02:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I'm like, is that trying to say that this is the same person?
[1:02:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, I mean, yes, right?
[1:02:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, it is supposed to be like a copy of him.
[1:02:19] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah.
[1:02:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[1:02:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But if he's having the same exact brain functions, does that mean like the monster is like, kind of like, I don't know.
[1:02:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[1:02:28] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Like, yeah, I don't know why I actually do think that that has to be why they were trying to catch it, right?
[1:02:36] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And that's the only thing that's like moving with a purpose.
[1:02:39] \[SPEAKER_02\]: It's, it has some kind of purpose to kill you
[1:02:45] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, but it's unclear if what that purpose is so that's why they're trying to catch it.
[1:02:48] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I mean, yeah, I don't know.
[1:02:49] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I well the other thing that I was I mean, I don't know why he I still to this day don't know why he captured her Why he yeah why he was asking her like do you believe me now?
[1:03:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And I was literally like dude What the?
[1:03:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What?
[1:03:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Again, like, again, like, it's one of these things that's unclear because it just kind of makes him like crazy.
[1:03:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it's like, okay, why?
[1:03:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But if there was a, if the story became about, you know, when it comes back to her being like, you can just stay here.
[1:03:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Well, it didn't seem like he was trying to actually get out.
[1:03:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So if the story had something to do with him,
[1:03:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: either going deeper and deeper in and being like, I've got to figure this out and I, you know, I want to, he's saying he wants to get out, but he actually doesn't or whatever or he's saying that.
[1:03:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And then her thing, oh, you can actually just stay here.
[1:03:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You can actually be like this.
[1:03:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's actually revelatory at that point.
[1:03:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: If you're just being like,
[1:03:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You can just stay here.
[1:03:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's not like he didn't say any, he didn't have any intentions of trying to get out, trying to like we just are not clear of like what he wants like the whole talk right out clear.
[1:04:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it's like he ties her up because he's been in there and because he's crazy.
[1:04:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Okay, he wants absolute from her in her being his wife, but it's what it's so annoying because the last time we saw him.
[1:04:20] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We, he was a completely normal person who was just scared or who was scared, exploring the back rooms didn't want the either of those two people he brought down there to die was trying to help them got was even more confused, like didn't hadn't seen these people, like was saw these people of these weird people for the first time, like, you know, in any way.
[1:04:42] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then the whole other like these government or whatever, like corporation people,
[1:04:49] \[SPEAKER_03\]: who used to make MRIs or whatever, it was just like, when DuPoss said, this is like the most important thing in the world or whatever, like he said something like this is the most important thing.
[1:05:02] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then like, I don't think she's, I don't know if she said why, I feel like she didn't.
[1:05:06] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And he definitely didn't explain it.
[1:05:08] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And I, again, was just like, again,
[1:05:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Why do people care about this place?
[1:05:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's like, I understand that it's crazy and weird, but at a certain point you have to go like, what do they expect to get from this?
[1:05:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The thing that's so funny about this movie is that the movie asks the questions were asking.
[1:05:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: At the end, she keeps asking, what is this, what's going on?
[1:05:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Right, and there's nothing else.
[1:05:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It just doesn't answer it.
[1:05:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I can't tell you that.
[1:05:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so at that point, I was like, do we not know how this world works?
[1:05:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Cause like,
[1:05:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I thought they were gonna be like, because she also said where am I and he would like refuse to answer.
[1:05:42] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then there was a part of me that was like, oh, are they in the back rooms right now?
[1:05:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, is this the back rooms?
[1:05:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I do think that they were in the back rooms.
[1:05:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I still am like, but what is that have to do?
[1:05:53] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yes, so why are you here?
[1:05:56] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, I was like, okay, so this is like a stranger thing is kind of thing, but again, stranger things explains why the government is in this freaking upside down world.
[1:06:05] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's because,
[1:06:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They want to weaponize or they think that this thing is a threat or they're trying to weaponize like 11 and all those people like I was just like are you trying to weapon that like just give me it can be generic just give me something like I think just generally with this whole movie I either needed more of a lot of stuff or less of them yes I think if you want to do it whatever like let's give me more we can strip it down or whatever that's great or I'm going to need more in terms of
[1:06:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: why is that therapist involved?
[1:06:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What is her backstory?
[1:06:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Have to do with it.
[1:06:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What does have to do with him?
[1:06:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: How is he?
[1:06:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: How is he abusive?
[1:06:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: How did he go crazy?
[1:06:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: All of these things?
[1:06:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like there were just so many ambiguous things where it's like either let's do it and do all of that or just like cut a lot of this middle stuff that is like why is this why is this happening?
[1:06:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's it's so interesting because it's
[1:06:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know, man.
[1:07:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I was like, even again, even I had fun.
[1:07:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It was just a movie that I was like, none of this makes sense.
[1:07:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And it felt like at the end of the movie, when we saw the version of her that the back room's had, I was like, what's the point it is?
[1:07:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was like, is this?
[1:07:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was like, so,
[1:07:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, is this her or like, what is this, is this supposed to be the real her like she never made it out and it's just this we know Mark do plus is real.
[1:07:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So it's just just showing her what the duplicate is of her and also if she has a duplicate that looks like this, how come she for is looked like him like or right.
[1:07:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Where's the where's the where's the where's the assistant and her boyfriend?
[1:07:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Where's their duplicate set right right it does it.
[1:07:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, then we went through and we were like, who was the point of the floors like at the camera to show it goes deeper.
[1:07:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I like it just feels it felt like the movie was being like the whole thing of the movie was like, oh, this is such a vast thing.
[1:08:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There's so much here and we're only showing you the tip of the iceberg and that's it.
[1:08:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it's like,
[1:08:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, all right, but then I have no idea what's going on, but like, I guess we had fun with the, I guess we had fun visually, like, yeah, cool vibe, I like Brasepitch, make this movie a survival of a dude who got trapped in this background and then you can use the trauma that he has.
[1:08:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We can explore that with each level because I know each level does a different thing and so like that's the thing He may have to overcome it.
[1:08:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Maybe we in the movie thinking he overcame it But it's really him just like accepting it and now he's a part of the back like something The other thing they could have made they could have made so many of the same choices if they just had like he Spines this place.
[1:08:52] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He's interested in it like whatever like
[1:08:54] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He brings a few people in to explore it more, because he's like, I need help.
[1:08:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then people are like, why are you exploring that, you know?
[1:09:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And he's just like, he's like, I don't know.
[1:09:03] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like, he's like, I don't know.
[1:09:04] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I was in a cool, is it whatever.
[1:09:05] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then later on, we understand.
[1:09:07] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Right.
[1:09:08] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Whatever reason, like, whatever psychological reason is the reason he's actually in here.
[1:09:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But the monster chases them, when a monster chases you, you don't care about where you're going.
[1:09:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You're just trying to get away.
[1:09:18] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And if you're in a place that is in an infinite space, then you're going to get lost and then you're lost.
[1:09:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then you don't know how to get out.
[1:09:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And now we're here.
[1:09:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: easy easy or even something like that's also compelling from a character perspective that no one ever would have done with him with his assistant was like okay like this other guy
[1:09:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: died.
[1:09:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So we should try to get out.
[1:09:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But he still wants to be in there for some reason.
[1:09:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:09:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's interesting.
[1:09:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Where it's like, wait, no, why are you still involved?
[1:09:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, from a character perspective, that's interesting.
[1:09:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Getting lost in there and wanting to get out and then like, he can't whatever that's a sign in a state back then.
[1:09:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And then, yeah, deciding to stay and like whatever that
[1:10:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: being in there going out to call the therapist because I'm sure the phone doesn't work in there.
[1:10:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And then coming in, like, okay, we don't get enough of why he's like that fucked up that he would do that.
[1:10:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: No, he could have got crazy just being lost in there and we could have seen that process happening.
[1:10:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like we didn't need it to cut away to some random person who then is looking for him for no rereads.
[1:10:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like he leaves her or cryptic voicemail.
[1:10:28] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Why?
[1:10:29] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Again, I mean, I guess that was hysterical, but it was just kind of confusing.
[1:10:32] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then like she decides which of them like, is this a thing that she normally does?
[1:10:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Maybe it is.
[1:10:37] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You're like, like, we have no context for anything.
[1:10:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[1:10:40] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't know what the normalcy for her is even.
[1:10:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Certainly don't know what normalcy is for him.
[1:10:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: If he had gone crazy by the rooms being memories of memories and him keep going through the different rooms and trying to like figure this shit out with his wife and like every version of it was like kind of a more fucked up thing at least you'd like see his descent into why he wanted to get the therapist so they could do that but he don't see any of that again it's a more or less thing, you know like
[1:11:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: of this or just like it's survival.
[1:11:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He's trying to get out.
[1:11:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He can't get out.
[1:11:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He starts dealing with this trauma.
[1:11:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Then maybe it's out.
[1:11:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Maybe it doesn't.
[1:11:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Easy.
[1:11:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Seems easy.
[1:11:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Man.
[1:11:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah.
[1:11:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And it's out.
[1:11:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I know they only spent 10 million, but like I was going to say like at the end, they do that.
[1:11:31] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Like they're just doing shots of like all the different places.
[1:11:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And I was like,
[1:11:36] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You guys spent a lot of money into, I mean, I guess it wasn't that much, but you spent a lot of money at time for things that were like a second, like a half a second.
[1:11:45] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We see one frame of the weird version of the outside of his store.
[1:11:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And I was like, even though that looked cool, I was like, we didn't need that.
[1:11:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And so I know it wasn't a constraint, like whatever script, the script constraint, clearly didn't have anything to do with them being like, but we don't have enough time to build all these sets.
[1:12:04] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It was like, no, no, no, the one thing we know about this movie is they had a lot of time to build a lot of sense.
[1:12:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes, yes.
[1:12:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It also is something fun about again, like, because I've been looking up so much back room stuff.
[1:12:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, I keep getting which floor on the back room is based on your birthday or which floor based on this and there's so many floors.
[1:12:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, it's so many floors and each floor has a different monster.
[1:12:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They're safe floors.
[1:12:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So it was like,
[1:12:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: A, you get to, like, for instance, there's like a toy store floor.
[1:12:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You don't want to go to the toy store, but you want to go to the park.
[1:12:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The park is safety.
[1:12:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The park is where survivors will build land and like, you can get supplies.
[1:12:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: If you can make it there, don't go to the kitchen floor, the kitchen floor.
[1:12:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That amount, you know what I'm saying?
[1:12:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, there's so much stuff that we, that was another thing.
[1:12:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It was like, I thought it was,
[1:12:53] \[SPEAKER_03\]: wild that they didn't like run into somebody like what they did with him.
[1:12:58] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I thought they were just going to do like he was going to run into somebody who seemed normal and then we realized this person was crazy because they've been in the back room for like three years.
[1:13:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know what we need it?
[1:13:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We need it.
[1:13:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's not happening.
[1:13:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We need it.
[1:13:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Him to find Matt Damon.
[1:13:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Trapped away those
[1:13:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He needed to run in the mad Damon, and we trust he's got the astronaut suit on in there.
[1:13:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We trust Matt literally There's been a movie of like there was this this this video of like movies where Matt Damon appears Trapped either as a robot like an inception or like as a person like he's always around you got it like Is he a good Matt Damon or is he an evil Matt Damon?
[1:13:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: If you run into Matt Damon in the wild, you got to go, hey, are you a good one, or are you even one?
[1:13:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Which Matt, are you better?
[1:13:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know that.
[1:13:44] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Matt, are you?
[1:13:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Because listen, if you're a hero trip, Matt Damon, he's the evil as one, because he made a song called Sky It Doesn't Know, and it became a banger, because I don't know if you read, you remember, you remember this, Sky It doesn't Know, that's what you're doing in his van.
[1:13:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Every Sunday.
[1:14:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Tells her he's in church, right?
[1:14:02] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Where she's up with you, I'm saying it, I'm saying it.
[1:14:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: James, I'm saying it, I'm just saying, I'm just saying with the evil Med Damon did, all right, fine.
[1:14:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's time for the cause.
[1:14:17] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We ran review films that based on how much we liked them, but whether or not they helped the cause of leading black actors in Hollywood shit.
[1:14:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, so we can ask you a question first has she and forever started in the movie where his wife has been a black woman I can ask me Did he have a wife in 12 years of slave?
[1:14:40] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's the one I can think of, but I don't know.
[1:14:42] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I would assume I would assume that wife had to be black
[1:14:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Right because he had a family.
[1:14:48] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, and he got he did right.
[1:14:50] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He got captured.
[1:14:50] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He got a family.
[1:14:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay.
[1:14:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay.
[1:14:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay.
[1:14:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just had that question to him.
[1:14:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So that would be one that's it.
[1:14:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't need to one.
[1:14:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was just curious.
[1:14:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just need to one.
[1:14:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't just need to.
[1:14:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm saying so okay.
[1:15:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So the cause is whether it helps black leading men or more movies.
[1:15:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, bro.
[1:15:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This one's true.
[1:15:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, this one.
[1:15:09] \[SPEAKER_03\]: No, no, not not star and horror.
[1:15:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Well, yeah, I guess it.
[1:15:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I guess you can could.
[1:15:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, it does to cause in specific.
[1:15:15] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But yeah.
[1:15:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, like will this will like because this film was made and, you know, and like the context of the film and then like how it did like do we think that like other black actors like basically I am not the way that I think of it is like does somebody is somebody sitting in a board room or picture him somewhere and talking to some executive and being like hey we could get this actor because you know like this person was in that movie.
[1:15:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I would say it's black fist means it fully helps the cause white palm means it's somewhat help the cause and then nothing means it didn't help.
[1:15:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: There's a tough way.
[1:15:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay, we're all right.
[1:16:00] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'm a count three.
[1:16:00] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We're all well, we'll do our best to have to be it has to be one of the three exactly.
[1:16:05] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah.
[1:16:06] \[SPEAKER_03\]: James, we're going to give you three games.
[1:16:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I'm a dog ever, I
[1:16:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This G4 being in this movie, I think, helps came, but not G4 or other black people.
[1:16:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think like, Cain is the one coming out of this movie with all the accolades.
[1:16:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And like, G4 is literally a multi Oscar nominee.
[1:16:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, this, it wasn't like a obsession where it was an unknown black dude.
[1:16:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This was like one of, this is a black dude who played 12 years of slave, you know what I'm saying?
[1:17:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, this is, I'm a Northup.
[1:17:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I don't know, man.
[1:17:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know this helped us to be honest.
[1:17:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But why'd you so why'd you get a poem?
[1:17:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Because it's start a black dude.
[1:17:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, Lily, I was like, it's start a black dude.
[1:17:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Exactly what I'm gonna say.
[1:17:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, I do not think in all the ways that we've talked about that it helps that much.
[1:17:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But as long as it's like, if everybody takes, because the way executive thinks, executive think, I think it's just like everything about the movie where they go, well,
[1:17:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: directed by a young white youtuber guy, starring a black guy, ultimately about a white woman.
[1:17:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's the new formula.
[1:17:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think they take every part of it to be like, this is what we got to do.
[1:17:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Correct.
[1:17:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And they can go, oh, look, it can star.
[1:17:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Black people and be new horror and that's cool or whatever and I don't think that it really helps That much especially since this felt like a pretty race blind role for both better and worse in some ways But like yeah, I it just I was gonna go half palm if I even could do that I was about to be I was about to be like this a couple fingers.
[1:18:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah a couple fingers up because I
[1:18:20] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, I mean, I gave it a poem because I do think for, again, for better for worse look.
[1:18:30] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Even though this happens all the time, not all the time, but we've talked about this a lot where they're like a black actor, who is more famous than their white co-star counterpart, gets put in the promotion.
[1:18:44] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They're the person who sells the movie, and then the movie's like low-key though, it's not about them, it's about this other white dude.
[1:18:50] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Or a white person, you're like, like they never do that the other way around.
[1:18:54] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They never do that the other way around.
[1:18:57] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And at the same time, it is saying, like, hey, we think you can sell this movie.
[1:19:02] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then she would tell it to for 81 million dollar opening weekend for a horror film.
[1:19:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's like crazy.
[1:19:09] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's crazy numbers.
[1:19:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That's amazing.
[1:19:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And so I do think like,
[1:19:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You know, again, when you're like sitting in a picture, being like, hey, I want this black actor to star and they're like, well, I don't know, is that going to do well internationally and you're like, back rooms, you're like, okay, and then, you know, they may say, but that means we have to have a white person who's actually the lead of the bill, but she got to be Norwegian too.
[1:19:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's got to be Norwegian white, you know, you know, you know, we're just moving your miles.
[1:19:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, this is, this is, this is the first time I've seen it since Star Wars.
[1:19:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes, I was going to say Star Wars was like the mirror.
[1:19:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He was like, he's going to be the Jedi and then I go, no, JK, here's this woman who's never been called with or my man, my man had a lightsaber in the trailer in every trailer.
[1:19:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They had him going crazy in the trailers and it's like, oh, yeah, that was three seconds of the movie and he did not know how to use it and he lost it immediately.
[1:20:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What the fuck did you do to me?
[1:20:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He's pice up his spine.
[1:20:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then this woman picks it up, this white woman picks up in his neck.
[1:20:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She pilots to plain great.
[1:20:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She's a fucking Jedi great.
[1:20:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: What's worse is in the second movie they go, okay.
[1:20:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And now you go over there.
[1:20:19] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And now you're not a part of the movie at all.
[1:20:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And then the third movie, it's like, I don't know.
[1:20:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I guess, hey, I remember this guy.
[1:20:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, he's here too.
[1:20:27] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I guess that was they fumbled that so we have had to listen to people praise Ryan Johnson for year Praise him pray they are glazing this man, and he signed line all the people because I don't know if we can't talk about it right now Yeah, we could like I asian girl gone a mission The white people are on the main mission.
[1:20:48] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Got us some casino plan.
[1:20:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, go to the casino plan.
[1:20:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It
[1:20:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yes, you thought he was going to fall lower like a we not we not swirling in Star Wars It's the light side and the dark side and there is no intermele with the right
[1:21:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Has there been another black dude like young black lead in like male in one of these movies One of the shows even because I watched one of the shows in like the Darth.
[1:21:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, that's the closest.
[1:21:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, so though But wasn't that before this one that came afterwards?
[1:21:30] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, he also wasn't the main.
[1:21:33] \[SPEAKER_03\]: He was the friend It was in between the last Jedi and the rises.
[1:21:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We see back rooms to there's not even going to be a black person in the commercial day watch on TV
[1:21:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's what I'm going to be.
[1:21:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's what I'm going to be setting 2000, 2000 too.
[1:21:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They're going to be watching TRL in a status A and JZ.
[1:21:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They're going to bring out Eminem.
[1:21:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They're going to be like, yeah, thought we were talking about hip-hop.
[1:21:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, thought it was going to be one of the not no more.
[1:21:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't like it.
[1:21:58] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They're black.
[1:21:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: People are weapons.
[1:22:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Uh, no, no.
[1:22:03] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So you can't say yes immediately.
[1:22:05] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's probably that it in the answer is no.
[1:22:07] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And this is, that's the other reason that I gave it a poem.
[1:22:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And I almost wanted to get a fist was just that we are in a, are a horror renaissance, but the horror renaissance is pretty white dominant.
[1:22:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Wait, is there no black person in the, there's no black person in the party scene?
[1:22:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And that's it because he's like, what the fuck?
[1:22:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: They're certainly not a like lead black.
[1:22:31] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Weapons is like a lot of white people.
[1:22:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I mean, what's going on?
[1:22:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Obsession is, you know, a lot, like all of this stuff, like mostly dominated by white people, once that there are a few cool black horror films with black lilies and like a lot of people aren't seeing it.
[1:22:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So I liked that backrooms was like, how about one of the biggest horror film openings ever and it stars a black man.
[1:22:56] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So I thought that was cool.
[1:22:58] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Oh, right, it's it's yeah.
[1:23:00] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Oh, sorry.
[1:23:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, I'm just trying to think like I know people say that like Hollywood is a reflection of the political scene, but I feel like all these white movies had to be in play before Trump won, right?
[1:23:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And my trip, like, yes, but I don't know.
[1:23:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think they're all in play.
[1:23:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think it's just what actually gets made.
[1:23:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You know what I mean?
[1:23:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, I think it's because this is the sad thing.
[1:23:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And we've, and this and Brandon, you're trying to end it, but even thinking about this Renaissance, and I know not all these movies I'm going to list are horror movies.
[1:23:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But when I think about like, they will kill you.
[1:23:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You could say that's a thriller.
[1:23:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You could say that's in the world.
[1:23:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You can say something is God is.
[1:23:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Maybe not is a harb, but it's in the world.
[1:23:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Black lid, and I'm like, there's these movies where I'm like, there's been four or five black women, black female lit movies that have got no promotion.
[1:23:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And it's interesting to me because obsession is one of those movies where end up getting bored out of tiff.
[1:24:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And that's kind of where a lot of promotion came from.
[1:24:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I'm like, what would have happened if like,
[1:24:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: is God is what it got that level of promotion.
[1:24:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like I didn't even know it was out until y'all said it and I saw people who know the director and writer of the play post photos of the screening with her and I was like, oh, this is the thing.
[1:24:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like I didn't even know I had no idea it was I never saw a commercial for it.
[1:24:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, sometimes I look at I keep looking at some of these movies and I'm like, yo, I don't know what happened.
[1:24:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I know I've said this on this
[1:24:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: the war against like men.
[1:24:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Somehow black men, I feel like I've taken the brunt.
[1:24:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So this was like white dudes are still leading movies, but they like, but no black dude is.
[1:24:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm like, what is what?
[1:24:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What have I, I think about this a lot and it's hard to even say or talk about, but there is, because as soon as you start talking about men, stuff and men are under it, whatever people start getting like, but there is like a sort of push to be like,
[1:25:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Okay, let's get more women involved and in these roles and whatever and supporting women and all this kind of stuff, which I can of course agree with that also there is like still a diversity issue where it's like, within black men do bear the brunt of like getting pushed out even still right where it's like.
[1:25:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Even more.
[1:25:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Cave, but we also weren't.
[1:25:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: like we were represented cool and cool, but it's not really like a, how we're, they like to double up and so it's just like, well, if we're going to have a diversity thing that it should be a black woman, which again, I'm cool, but the thing is cool, but the thing is, it's still, why do still are making a bunch of movies, so it's like, you don't like why do you haven't gone anyway, but they didn't, if anything, it's an influx of them, so I'm like, what?
[1:25:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just watched a trailer, a break in the Friday, I just watched a trailer for Jacob a Lordy in a dog in the apocalypse.
[1:25:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's Jacob a Lordy.
[1:26:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He has a dog and he's in the apocalypse.
[1:26:04] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Wait, who?
[1:26:05] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Because there's another bigger actor.
[1:26:07] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Oh, Margaret Crayney and everybody, everybody is a kind of kind of Edward or Golden Globe nominated.
[1:26:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The dog stars.
[1:26:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's a really Scott movie and I'm like yellow bro I have watched the white dudes do every type of movie recently and no one's literally Jacob Ballority played a part that's supposed to be played by a brain It supposed to be bright
[1:26:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It is Jacob Ballardy.
[1:26:34] \[SPEAKER_02\]: A brain is what you say, but I'm saying the little he's supposed to be tall, he's supposed to be like, he's supposed to be like, and he's supposed to be like curly hair.
[1:26:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Look, I've read the fucking book, and it's Jacob Ballardy.
[1:26:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Ain't no way I could play in the bot that shit.
[1:26:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's Jacob Ballardy.
[1:26:50] \[SPEAKER_02\]: That's, wow.
[1:26:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Send me to the moots.
[1:26:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Send me to the moots.
[1:26:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Thanks for doing it, bro.
[1:26:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Send me to the moots.
[1:26:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: All right, man.
[1:26:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Thanks for having me.
[1:27:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So yeah, anything you'd like to promote?
[1:27:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yes.
[1:27:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Please listen to the Help Me Be Black podcast, you know?
[1:27:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it's a podcast about.
[1:27:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: exploring all the different things of blackness.
[1:27:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I grew up with white Mormon family.
[1:27:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I was adopted.
[1:27:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So I didn't get to do black stuff until I was about 20 years old.
[1:27:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There's a lot to unpack.
[1:27:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And, you know, that's what the podcast is about.
[1:27:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm going to try to have all of y'all on it.
[1:27:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I can at least as many black people as possible.
[1:27:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Listen to it.
[1:27:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Because we're really trying, you know, we're trying to unpack stuff, but yeah, it's on it's on, you know, wherever you get your podcast, y'all can subscribe to the Patreon and on Juneteenth, we're doing a live Help me be black live show and I would love for people to come to that.
[1:27:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, where is that?
[1:27:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Where is it?
[1:27:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's a DSP studios in L.A. on at the allegiance, so Thanks for online.
[1:27:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Everybody comes eat.
[1:27:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There we go.
[1:27:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Hell, yes.
[1:27:57] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You could follow us at Blackman podcasts on Instagram.
[1:28:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We have a Patreon as well.
[1:28:03] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's $5 a month, which is too cheap, but there's so much extra stuff.
[1:28:08] \[SPEAKER_02\]: We're going to raise our prices at some point.
[1:28:10] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Come on, guys.
[1:28:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But no, thank you all for people who subscribe to that.
[1:28:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Help to keep this podcast free.
[1:28:17] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And yeah, I think...
[1:28:20] \[SPEAKER_03\]: This is still DCM, right?
[1:28:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, still DCM.
[1:28:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is actually DCM to.
[1:28:24] \[SPEAKER_03\]: If you're in New York City, come on out.
[1:28:25] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Astronomy Club is performing Saturday, June 13th at 10 p.m. We blackmailed Ken Jump.
[1:28:32] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We're going to perform Sunday, June 14th at 2 p.m. And I'm sure we're going to be in a bunch of other shows.
[1:28:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So just check it out.
[1:28:44] \[SPEAKER_03\]: but you guys got.
[1:28:46] \[SPEAKER_02\]: You can follow me at James third comedy, James third comedy.com.
[1:28:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Third is 3RD.
[1:28:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You can follow me at draw you want to throw anything, James?
[1:28:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's it.
[1:28:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You can follow me at Draw Milligan on Twitter and Instagram.
[1:28:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I am working on my video to raise money for a short film.
[1:29:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know which website to use anymore.
[1:29:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's like four different websites they all take money and I'm trying to get the money for the short.
[1:29:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm trying to figure out.
[1:29:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You gotta tell people a website to thickened.
[1:29:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I know, give me a second, but just save up your pennies.
[1:29:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So that's because I won't be able to save up your pennies.
[1:29:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Raise, save up your dollars, cause it's coming.
[1:29:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: All right, it's coming.
[1:29:25] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Save up your dollars.
[1:29:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Awesome, and thanks for listening.
[1:29:29] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We'll see you in two weeks, peace.

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