# Him (Teaser)

An episode of [Black Men Can't Jump \[In Hollywood\]](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1023264209), 25 Sep 2025, 10 min.

Audio: https://audio3.redcircle.com/episodes/f8fbf55a-e0cf-407c-b2f7-2fb8e15bb2c1/stream.mp3

This week, James, Jerah, and Jon are covering Him, directed by Justin Tipping, written by Skip Bronkie, Zack Akers, and Justin Tipping, starring Marlon Wayans, Tyriq Withers, Julia Fox, and Tim Heidecker. Together, they discuss the setup everyone expected, how well Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba – The Movie: Infinity Castle’s doing at the box office, the bait-and-switch feel of Him’s marketing campaign leaning so heavily on Jordan Peele producing it, what was lost between the film’s development and ultimate production, and much, much more! Listen to the full episode on Patreon or Red Circle's Exclusive Feed! SUBSCRIBE TO EXCLUSIVE CONTENT AND OUR BACK CATALOG OF 400+ EPISODES: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/7655b7ec-dc57-47c9-ab96-1a8fa02f6573/exclusive-content JOIN OUR PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/BMCJ FOLLOW BLACK MEN CAN'T JUMP \[IN HOLLYWOOD\]: https://www.threads.com/@blackmenpodcast https://www.instagram.com/blackmenpodcast BUY BLACK MEN CAN'T JUMP \[IN HOLLYWOOD\] MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/black-men-can-t-jump-in-hollywood Produced by Skyler Hanrath Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/black-men-cant-jump-in-hollywood/exclusive-content Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

## Transcript

[0:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm the black man can't jump on, Patreon.
[0:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Patreon City?
[0:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't typically do lines at the beginning of Patreon, but if I did do a line for this one, it would be.
[0:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Football, family, God, I am him!
[0:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I need to go say that one, I need to go say that one.
[0:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's not his voice, but that's the one.
[0:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's the energy, that's the energy.
[0:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, that's definitely the energy.
[0:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I am him.
[0:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[0:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, so we obviously are a film review podcast that reviews films of leading black actress talks about the mechanics of race and diversity in Hollywood and you know this is a this patreon so we you know we just jump into it you know who we are you know the voice to listen to now that could have been a proof you know just a stark quarterback and a
[1:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You had to perfect set up, right?
[1:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, what?
[1:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's just, I'm just surprised because what does that actually mean?
[1:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, what does it mean?
[1:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: James, James, James, James.
[1:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm not playing football in my life.
[1:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Anyway, I'm Jonathan Braylock.
[1:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: This voice is at a Gerard Milligan, and this voice is James III.
[1:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And, you know, we are reviewing the film.
[1:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: uh... that just came out uh... hold on i didn't pull up any facts uh... well we well i had to see that i was gonna like read up on this movie before we start talking i mean i just know good wow it's crazy put on what
[1:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Okay, so I'm looking at the right, I'm looking at the right tomato score.
[1:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I am shocked.
[1:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Okay, percent.
[1:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's stars, it stars Marlin Wains and Tyrico, whether it was produced by Jordan Peel, which apparently people are really mad about the advertising of this movie, even though that happens all the time.
[2:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It has a 28% on Rotten Tomatoes.
[2:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: 58% popcorn meter.
[2:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm, I am genuinely shocked.
[2:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: 28 is crazy.
[2:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Hello.
[2:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You are surprised that that's what the critics said.
[2:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[2:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: OK.
[2:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It just, again,
[2:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, whatever.
[2:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't even understand critics anymore.
[2:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: The budget of this movie apparently was $27 million.
[2:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Currently the box office sitting at 13.9 million.
[2:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think it's going to do well, though.
[2:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, it seemed to be doing okay at I mean, there were people who were seeing it.
[2:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's no, it's not going to get international money though.
[2:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So that's the that's the trick.
[2:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't know.
[2:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't know how well it's going to do.
[2:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: opening.
[2:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think it definitely like be profitable.
[3:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like if it's like I don't know what's going to be like a slam, don't type a movie, but I do think it was the budget again.
[3:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Apparently, $27 million, which is $27 and $13 for the opening.
[3:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, here's the thing about it being profitable though.
[3:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Do you think it's going to get the word of mouth?
[3:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, do you think it's going to get the word of mouth?
[3:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, that's a great question.
[3:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You can ask that question.
[3:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Because question James, it could it could just start dropping, you know, from the cave and check that the box office under.
[3:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Who was first?
[3:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Demonslayer.
[3:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Hey.
[3:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You know, demonslayer been making him on.
[3:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, wow.
[3:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: James, braided.
[3:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Did you see it?
[3:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Of course I saw it.
[3:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Braight.
[3:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Listen.
[3:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Come on now, it was a good, it was a good, it was a good amount of talking, but those fights when they was fighting.
[3:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, it was great.
[3:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm so behind.
[3:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't even know.
[3:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I can't even want to be like a little bit.
[3:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: If you have been watching teammates later, right?
[3:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, but yeah, I've been meaning to catch myself back up, but I think I, I think I am post.
[4:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think I saw the one right after train, but they didn't like two more.
[4:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, yo, yeah, I've definitely seen that one.
[4:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I definitely saw entertainment.
[4:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And then I started, I think I started this next word Smith village.
[4:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think is, yeah, I think I started that one.
[4:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Is that the one that starts with?
[4:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Is that the one that starts with?
[4:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Because see, I don't even know, I'm going to start explaining it and then, okay, well, you definitely saw the entertainment district where like, there was the, there were the brother and the sister.
[4:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You saw that one.
[4:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: The demons.
[4:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes, we're the brother of the sister.
[4:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[4:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[4:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[4:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That was sad.
[4:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That one got me.
[4:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That one got me.
[4:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[4:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We're all right.
[4:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But we're not talking about demons.
[4:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, we're talking about him.
[4:47] \[UNKNOWN\]: Yeah.
[4:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And, uh, what, sorry, what else were we saying?
[4:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Uh, yeah, so, yeah, we'll see what it does.
[4:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think word of mouth could potentially kill this.
[4:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think that's what I think is going to a hundred percent killings.
[5:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Because like, it's like, because critics was low, but, but an audience was higher, but an audience wasn't fresh.
[5:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And yeah, an audience was still.
[5:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And, you know, it's interesting because, so, like, a lot of the,
[5:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: advertising of this movie used Jordan Peel's name.
[5:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He wasn't producer on it.
[5:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He's in the lot of the promo.
[5:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He's in a lot of promo, but like, and like, the thing is like, the trailer, like it has a feel of a Jordan Peel type movie.
[5:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And so people, I think thought it was Jordan Peel, then it wasn't him.
[5:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Well, uh, you don't do that.
[5:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We already started.
[5:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No, we already started.
[5:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So keep going.
[5:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It wasn't him.
[5:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, keep going.
[5:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I am going.
[5:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I was just saying it wasn't him.
[5:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They're like, who is this?
[5:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It ain't him.
[5:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There's no, there's no code open.
[5:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, they're doing the possible thing.
[5:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Say this, when they first announced this movie, and Jordan Pill was associated with it, I thought that he was directing it.
[6:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But at the time, the movie was actually called Goat.
[6:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It wasn't him at the time.
[6:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm from time.
[6:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, goat.
[6:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I think it's going to keep saying him.
[6:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, it's going to keep, that's going to keep working and him in there, anything now?
[6:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm just saying that it was good was good.
[6:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It wasn't it wasn't him and it also wasn't directing it.
[6:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I just thought he well.
[6:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I thought he was But it wasn't the Sorry the actual director
[6:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Just in a table, just in tip it, tip it.
[6:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Tip inside of it, tip, uh, and he did a lot of TV, a lot of TV.
[6:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: A lot of TV, I don't think he's done, I guess there's one other film in his, um, IMDB, but it's like, because you know what he did, he did at a time where you could make a short film, then get a freaking narrative job.
[6:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, whatever.
[6:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, isn't that still the cake?
[6:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, doesn't that for me to happen?
[6:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Okay.
[6:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That was for everyone, but me.
[7:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Zach Ackers skip bronchi just a tip of the writers.
[7:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh yeah, they're called to do another Caucasian.
[7:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: The two writers.
[7:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Okay, so Zach Ackers and skip our Caucasian.
[7:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yes, this book.
[7:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Okay, I can't wait.
[7:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Tish in 2008.
[7:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What's Justin's background, though?
[7:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I can't.
[7:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It looks Indian to me.
[7:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I thought so many times looking up.
[7:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They got him on all the ethnic shows though.
[7:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So he would that that was he's definitely a person to call that.
[7:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, right.
[7:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He's definitely.
[7:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[7:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think so because they was like, there's like we need him on this.
[7:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He's got to be Southeast.
[7:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Okay, here we go.
[7:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Let's see.
[7:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What do we have with Capitia?
[7:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, he has a website.
[7:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Let's go to his website.
[7:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's in tipping.com.
[7:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay.
[7:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: About.
[7:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: About.
[8:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Philopino and Scandinavian.
[8:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, Philopino and Scandinavian.
[8:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Hello, piano.
[8:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Okay.
[8:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Great.
[8:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Sam, San Francisco.
[8:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Where he was raised.
[8:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So he's mixed.
[8:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So he is.
[8:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He is biracial.
[8:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yes, he is.
[8:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Okay.
[8:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Uh, make sense.
[8:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: All right.
[8:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Well, this, uh, him is a, it's a horror thriller.
[8:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It centers on a promising young football player who's invited to train at the isolated compound of a dynasty team's aging QB1 played by Marlin Wayne who and there's a blood chilling journey into the inner sanctum of fame power and pursuit of excellence at any cost.
[8:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There's nothing else we need to say, right?
[8:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Are we going to go into initial?
[8:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Is there any other anything else we could say that's tantalizing for people to buy this episode before we go into the private?
[8:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: This movie, James already said, it was called Goat and this movie was initially written for a Tom Brady type of player.
[9:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So it was not written for a person of color.
[9:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Initially, initially, interesting.
[9:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I got to say I mean, all right, all right, fine, we'll say no, no, that's put a y'all got to pay for this.
[9:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, you got to pay for what James, I was about to say, I will say maybe I'll disagree with people.
[9:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Bray.
[9:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh no.
[9:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Bray.
[9:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Bray.
[9:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Jonathan Bray.
[9:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Bray.
[9:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No.
[9:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No.
[9:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Jonathan Bray.
[9:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No.
[9:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No.
[9:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Bray.
[9:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Don't talk to me.
[9:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: All right.
[9:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I want to do it.
[9:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know what?
[9:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Pay.
[9:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: If you want to hear only Bray.
[9:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You're right.
[9:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[9:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No.
[9:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Because I love James.
[9:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Because I love him.
[9:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm not listening to it.
[9:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: All right.
[9:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's going to be.
[9:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Bray and Skyler.
[10:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, can't jump.

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