# Wicked: For Good w/ Moni Odeyepo and Tessa Claire Hersh (Teaser)

An episode of [Black Men Can't Jump \[In Hollywood\]](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1023264209), 4 Dec 2025, 7:00.

Audio: https://audio3.redcircle.com/episodes/21a801b5-b534-4313-8ea7-5cdc150aec8c/stream.mp3

This week, Jon is joined by actors and writers Moni Odeyepo (Who All Gon’ Be There?, Peacock) and Tessa Claire Hersh (Younger, Desus & Mero) to cover Wicked: For Good, directed by Jon M. Chu, screenplay by Winnie Holzman and Dana Fox, starring Ariana Grande, Cynthia Erivo, Jonathan Bailey, Ethan Slater, Bowen Yang, Michelle Yeoh, and Jeff Goldblum. Together, they discuss what James and Jerah DON’T have to contribute to the conversation, whether or not they should all sing, and much, much more! Listen to the full episode on Patreon or Red Circle's Exclusive Feed! Listen to Bray's The Floor podcast The Floor Play here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-floor-play/id1842879987 Pick up copies of James and Connor Ratliff's Stitch comics here: https://www.dynamite.com/disney/viewProduct.html?PRO=C72513035647503011 SUBSCRIBE TO EXCLUSIVE CONTENT AND OUR BACK CATALOG OF 400+ EPISODES: https://app.redcircle.com/shows/7655b7ec-dc57-47c9-ab96-1a8fa02f6573/exclusive-content JOIN OUR PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/BMCJ FOLLOW BLACK MEN CAN'T JUMP \[IN HOLLYWOOD\]: https://www.threads.com/@blackmenpodcast https://www.instagram.com/blackmenpodcast BUY BLACK MEN CAN'T JUMP \[IN HOLLYWOOD\] MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/black-men-can-t-jump-in-hollywood Produced by Skyler Hanrath Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/black-men-cant-jump-in-hollywood/exclusive-content Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

## Transcript

[0:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And the black man can't jump on Patreon.
[0:10] \[SPEAKER_02\]: It can't.
[0:10] \[SPEAKER_02\]: It can't get it.
[0:11] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Get it.
[0:12] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Get it.
[0:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: James sometimes does lines from the movie, but I guess what's more important is to do like a little bit of a song and I'll just, I mean, I'll just do it one little line.
[0:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You're gonna you're gonna sing I'm gonna sing I'm a serenade for us.
[0:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I love people on this podcast right now Yeah, I'm gonna.
[0:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's gonna decide.
[0:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's right.
[0:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, exactly.
[0:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Mm-hmm.
[0:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, no, you go for it Yeah, everybody's excited about this.
[0:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Here we go.
[0:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Here we go.
[0:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, we're we're excited.
[0:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We're ready.
[0:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We're really.
[0:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah Because I
[0:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: more, more, more, more, all the lines.
[1:08] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I have been changed.
[1:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: For good.
[1:14] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Oh my god, you should go to Broadway.
[1:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Wow.
[1:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So good.
[1:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: All right.
[1:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: All right.
[1:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Wow.
[1:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Now that everybody's melting.
[1:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Don't you think we should all sing it?
[1:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, please.
[1:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Monny, why are you pimped?
[1:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You just picked me to go for it.
[1:30] \[SPEAKER_03\]: What?
[1:31] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Ha ha ha.
[1:32] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Wait, am I like really trying to sing her?
[1:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I just like jokes.
[1:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah.
[1:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No, no, you're really trying.
[1:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, yeah.
[1:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's clear.
[1:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Because the words are, because I knew you.
[1:40] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I've been changed for good.
[1:41] \[SPEAKER_03\]: OK.
[1:42] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Correct.
[1:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'm nervous.
[1:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't like singing unless I'm tipsy.
[1:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I carry out.
[1:48] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Oh, yeah.
[1:53] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Oh, my gosh, it's too new.
[1:55] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I have been changed for a girl, what a little voice in there.
[2:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, it's a little voice in here.
[2:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And the voice, the music is powerful.
[2:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, you guys.
[2:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Also, not test a talking to all of us, and then not singing herself.
[2:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: How did you want me to sing?
[2:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You have to go.
[2:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: You have to do.
[2:17] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't have to do it.
[2:18] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't have to.
[2:19] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We want serenades.
[2:21] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Okay.
[2:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, I actually really don't know this song, but yeah, I really don't, I really don't, I don't know the second act of wicked.
[2:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Um, okay, man, we started high A because I knew you, I have been changed for good.
[2:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's amazing.
[2:50] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We should go to Broadway, you guys.
[2:52] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I love this.
[2:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Wow.
[2:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: All of us, let's go together.
[2:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Right, you'll see.
[2:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yes.
[2:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Uh, let's follow the yellow book road.
[2:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I feel like we're signing up for this is like, I don't want stinging.
[3:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Where's James and draw?
[3:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[3:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And they're not here.
[3:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And, you know, those of you who listen to our podcast, you know, this is a film review podcast.
[3:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We review the films of leading black actors.
[3:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We talk about them in the context of race and diversity in Hollywood.
[3:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Today we are reviewing Wicked for Good.
[3:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They changed it up on us, not part two.
[3:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Wicked for Good.
[3:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And, yeah, James and Gerard are in here, because honestly, what do they have to contribute to this conversation?
[3:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Nothing.
[3:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Complaints.
[3:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Complaints.
[3:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We've got nothing to say.
[3:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So instead we have two incredible guests with us today.
[3:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: A first is returning guests.
[3:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is, she's been on this show several times.
[3:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She is gracing our microphones.
[3:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Again, she is an incredible actress.
[3:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Also a writer, you know, a poet.
[4:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You see, he gets a little nervous when he has to introduce some kind of things.
[4:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: If he doesn't do it, right?
[4:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'll be like a complaining after.
[4:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She also happens to be my wife.
[4:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's just a clear her.
[4:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: The best part of my bio is that I get to be the wife of Jonathan Braylock.
[4:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It is the best part of my bio, best part of my life.
[4:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, yeah.
[4:28] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And I just rub your love in our face as well.
[4:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I know.
[4:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I will.
[4:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Black love needs to be rubbed in everybody's faces because it exists.
[4:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's real.
[4:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And we are here to say, it's what's up.
[4:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then we have, and this is your first time on the podcast.
[4:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, second.
[4:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay.
[4:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What was I was like?
[4:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is, uh, yeah, we would.
[4:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Do you remember is, is open some movie?
[4:54] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Was that a movie?
[4:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes, with them.
[4:57] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I am.
[4:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, mm-hmm.
[5:00] \[SPEAKER_03\]: With that.
[5:00] \[SPEAKER_03\]: OK, I was like, I don't remember.
[5:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I think it was that I was like, yeah.
[5:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: OK, returning, two-time.
[5:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Also, incredible actress and a writer and improviser comedian, Moni Ritipo.
[5:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Welcome.
[5:18] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Hi, gang.
[5:19] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Hi, family.
[5:20] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Hi, friends.
[5:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Hot out the gates.
[5:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Hot out the gates.
[5:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay, we are reviewing wicked for good before we say what we thought.
[5:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Let me just give you guys the breakdown here.
[5:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It did open number one of the box office this weekend.
[5:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: 150 million dollars on the domestic box office, another 76 international so a 226 worldwide gross for opening weekend, the reported budget of this movie is a $150 million.
[6:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So it's already
[6:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: gross more than that.
[6:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So it's, it's doing pretty well, run tomatoes right now.
[6:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We have a 70% critic score, but a 95% audience score.
[6:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And this of course is the second part, uh, act two of the musical wicked starring Cynthia Rivo and Ariana Grande as well as Jonathan Bailey,
[6:42] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I mean, can't jump.

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